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Thank you for taking the time to write this, presenting the entire speech and your thoughts and reflections on it. I read the entire thing and found your analysis spot on. While elements can be viewed as controversial, I have felt for a while that someone had to have the courage in one of these graduations speeches to say what he did on men and women, even knowing what the blowback would be. I thought he balanced his remarks on careers and motherhood reasonably well: It's OK to want to be a wife and mother. In fact, these are essential roles. For men, it's OK to want to be a good husband and provider. In fact, these are essential roles. It's not all that you will do, or can do, but you shouldn't be shamed for it.
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Thank you, Drew. Your post is amazing. I liked every bit of Butker's speech. I especially like that he called out bishops, priests, and politicians for their poor leadership during the Covid Reaction Crisis. Weak leaders make for hard times and too few people have called out our dangerously weak leaders.
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It seems that a lot of folks these days have their "Offense Detector" turned up to Maximum.
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You mention IVF, surrogacy, and transgender ideology and that “good” Catholics can disagree on these issues. Certainly we know that many Catholics support abortion, IVF, surrogacy, and transgender ideology - and they are wrong - they are not “good” Catholics. You are either heterodox in your beliefs or you are not. It is the Church of Nice that says we can disagree and be good Catholics - as long as we are nice to each other. This is wrong.
And as for your use of the word celibate - sorry, this one always drives me crazy. Celibate as used in the Church refers to whether one is or is not married (and that is between a man and a woman only). Most people thinks it has to do with whether or not one has sexual relations - this is not correct. This is how the homosexuals get away with being priests - but wait, look, I’m celibate (not married to a woman) - it has nothing to do with their sexual encounters with other homosexuals. We are all called to chastity - the proper use of sex.
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My point in noting that Catholics can and do disagree on many of these topics is twofold. First, it is possible to hold a belief that IVF and surrogacy demean the sanctity of life and thus Catholics should not make use of them while not believing that they should be forbidden for non-Catholics. Secondly, while it seems mercenary to say it this way, even a Catholic who was to use IVF should be welcome into the Church and, if they partake of Reconciliation and truly repent of their sin then they will be forgiven by God, and we should not hold their sins against them. Of course, if they continue to sin, that is between them and God. Each of us falls short and sins, often repeatedly, yet Christ will always welcome us back and forgive us.
Mr. Butker in his speech does talk about not being amateur theologians, and in this I agree. I defer to the Church on these topics and why Catholic Doctrine holds that they are not valid. I even understand the reasoning behind them to an extent. My goal should be to live as close as I can to the strictures of my faith. That being said, I am not a "good" Catholic. I haven't been to mass in over a decade as an example. I live in a state of mortal sin just for that. I am not going to condemn someone else for their sins when mine loom large in my own soul. Even were I the best Catholic I could be, I should not condemn others for their sins for that isn't my lane. I suppose that is what I mean by "good" Catholics disagreeing. I hope this is more clearly stated. I appreciate your comments on this topic. I do not disagree with you, but I do think that we can abide by the Church's teaching while still being open and loving. The "Church of nice" is more a criticism of the clergy than the members.
This is a good point, but at the same time, it is the term that is most often used. There is an implication that a celibate person will be chaste as well because sex outside of marriage is a sin, but yes, Chastity is the more correct term. I think that the unspoken push to encourage gay men to become priests has been incredibly harmful to the Church.
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