America’s elites are a dangerous fringe group

 

The Commentary Magazine Podcast discussed an article in The Wall Street Journal by Kim Strassel (behind a paywall).  She lists the findings of a poll done by the founder of Rasmussen – he interviewed “the elites”:  Those who make over $150,000 per year, have a post-graduate degree, and live in a high density area.  He listed them as 1% of the population.  Some identified as Democrats, some Republicans, and some independents.  But their views were remarkably homogeneous:

74% say their finances are getting better (compared to 20% of other voters).
Approval ratings
Biden:                                           84%
University professors:             89%
Journalists:                                 79%
Lawyers:                                      78%
Union leaders:                           78%
Members of Congress:           67%

2/3 say teachers, not parents, should determine what children are taught.
Nearly 50% say USA has too much individual freedom.
77% support strict rationing of gasoline, meat, and electricity to fight climate change.

These are incredible numbers.  So 84% of these “elites” approve of the job Biden is doing?  Holy Toledo.  Look at those numbers.  It’s no wonder these people don’t understand, well, nearly everybody else in America.  It’s like they’re living on another planet.

Klaus Schwab Speaking at The World Economic Forum, Davos 2023, Watching the Video on World Economic Forum YouTube Channel on a Macbook. (Domenico Fornas/Shutterstock)

Which, I suppose, they sort of are.  They’re getting wealthier.  They like where they are, and they fear change.  Leftism’s centralized control systems stifle change.  Which is great, if you don’t want change.

Capitalism is unpredictable.  If we’re allowed to compete, you never know who might win.  And if you’re winning, the last thing you want is open competition.  So they say Americans have too much freedom, and we should ration food and energy to the masses.  The successful become risk-averse, and naturally tend to support the establishment which maintains the status quo.

 

 

Makes sense, I guess.

But this is also a window into the dark corners of the human soul.  I got mine.  So screw the rest of you.

If you get rich, and then you want to prevent others from becoming rich, that says a lot about you.  And it’s not good.

The elites are a powerful group, and they are much more politically active than everyone else.  And their views don’t sound like hippy-dippy college kids.  They sound like communists.

This is scary, scary stuff…

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  1. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: 2/3 say teachers, not parents, should determine what children are taught.

    The few teachers I know all seem to agree that teachers have the right to teach whatever they want while parents have the right to shut up.

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  2. Red Herring Coolidge
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    It is disturbing to realize this but it is easy to see why this trait explains the growing divide between the “country class” and the ” ruling class.” College is supposed to create great thinkers and philosophers. Instead, colleges are turning out mind-numbed robots. 

    The villain has too great a resemblance to Darth Vader but sounds nothing like James Earl Jones. He isn’t the only villain. A few others come to mind, usually wealthy people, joined by those who want to join the wealthy elite. However, dressing like this does disclose KS’s inner soul. 

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  3. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: 2/3 say teachers, not parents, should determine what children are taught.

    The few teachers I know all seem to agree that teachers have the right to teach whatever they want while parents have the right to shut up.

    I went for a teaching certificate when I taught for four years at a trade school. There is no – zero – “content” taught or necessary for certification. It is all pedagogy, teaching methods.

    So if you can get a teaching degree without having to know a single thing about any subject you are teaching, why the hell would you be qualified to decide what to teach??

     I’m a contractor. If you hire me, should I be allowed to build anything I decide I think you deserve, while you can sit over there and keep your trap shut?

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  4. Miffed White Male Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: Nearly 50% say USA has too much individual freedom.

    I’m assuming that this is a proxy for “gun Control”.

    If not, these people need to be taken out back and horsewhipped.

     

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  5. Terence Smith Coolidge
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    A point made on the podcast an by others that the elites have the resources to make them immune to the adverse policy effects of the changes they do favor. Inflation, lax criminal enforcement, open borders, etc. etc. 

    Per a pew research study from a few years ago, progressives are only 15% of the democrat electorate yet their preferences rule the Biden admin policies. They do indeed have clout. 

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  6. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Nearly 50% say USA has too much individual freedom.

    I’m assuming that this is a proxy for “gun Control”.

    I assume it is also a proxy for “what car are you permitted to drive” and “what type of lightbulb may you buy” and “what should your children be taught” and “what foods are you permitted to eat” and so on.

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  7. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Terence Smith (View Comment):
    A point made on the podcast an by others that the elites have the resources to make them immune to the adverse policy effects of the changes they do favor. Inflation, lax criminal enforcement, open borders, etc. etc.

    That may be part of it.

    But still, why hurt others, even if you don’t get hurt yourself?  Why bother?

    Because you crave power.

    I hope there’s another possible explanation.  But I can’t think of one off the top of my head.

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  8. Comfortably Superannuated Inactive
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Nearly 50% say USA has too much individual freedom.

    I’m assuming that this is a proxy for “gun Control”.

    I assume it is also a proxy for “what car are you permitted to drive” and “what type of lightbulb may you buy” and “what should your children be taught” and “what foods are you permitted to eat” and so on.

    “Get all you can, can all you get, poison the rest.”

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  9. Jim McConnell Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: 2/3 say teachers, not parents, should determine what children are taught.

    The few teachers I know all seem to agree that teachers have the right to teach whatever they want while parents have the right to shut up.

    I went for a teaching certificate when I taught for four years at a trade school. There is no – zero – “content” taught or necessary for certification. It is all pedagogy, teaching methods.

    So if you can get a teaching degree without having to know a single thing about any subject you are teaching, why the hell would you be qualified to decide what to teach??

    I’m a contractor. If you hire me, should I be allowed to build anything I decide I think you deserve, while you can sit over there and keep your trap shut?

    You summed it up nicely, @The Scarecrow.

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: 2/3 say teachers, not parents, should determine what children are taught

    See how that works for all those teachers in that group who have children!

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  11. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat: These are incredible numbers. 

    I would say unbelievable. 

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: These are incredible numbers.

    I would say unbelievable.

    I believe them.  Do you have reason to believe I should not?  

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  13. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: These are incredible numbers. 

    I would say unbelievable. 

    This seems to be the full report on the survey.

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  14. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: These are incredible numbers.

    I would say unbelievable.

    A poll done by the founder of Rasmussen, quoted at length in The Wall Street Journal.

    That’s not just some stoner on Twitter.

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  15. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: These are incredible numbers.

    I would say unbelievable.

    This seems to be the full report on the survey.

    Thanks much, Don.  

    I should have taken the time to find that.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: 2/3 say teachers, not parents, should determine what children are taught

    See how that works for all those teachers in that group who have children!

    But those teachers get to pick the teachers who teach their kids.  The proles don’t.

    Anyway why wouldn’t those teachers think that the things they want to teach your children, aren’t what their children should learn too?

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  17. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: 77% support strict rationing of gasoline, meat, and electricity to fight climate change

    This just boggles my mind. Those with post-graduate degrees buy into the hoax that man causes climate change. I guess if one believes that, one can believe Joey is doing a good job.

    On a positive note, it was fun to listen to Javier Milei and Kevin Roberts, President of Heritage, torch the global elites at the WEF in Davos, telling them to their faces how stupid they are and that they are the problem.

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  18. Bob Thompson Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: 77% support strict rationing of gasoline, meat, and electricity to fight climate change

    This just boggles my mind. Those with post-graduate degrees buy into the hoax that man causes climate change. I guess if one believes that, one can believe Joey is doing a good job.

    On a positive note, it was fun to listen to Javier Milei and Kevin Roberts, President of Heritage, torch the global elites at the WEF in Davos, telling them to their faces how stupid they are and that they are the problem.

    Wow! That was good. Get that up on other posts related to the coming elections. @scottwilmot

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  19. Django Member
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    Cynical bastard that I am my first thought was what do all those people have in common? I think the answer is that none of them produce anything useful. They don’t manufacture anything. They don’t grow or harvest anything. They don’t drive trucks and deliver anything. They don’t treat sick people. They don’t build houses. All of them live off of productive people.

    EDIT: For clarity, let me point out that I am not referring to the elites, but rather to the list of people and the individual the elites evidently approve of:

    Biden:                                           84%
    University professors:             89%
    Journalists:                                 79%
    Lawyers:                                      78%
    Union leaders:                           78%
    Members of Congress:           67%

     

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  20. Bob Thompson Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Cynical bastard that I am my first thought was what to all those people have in common? I think the answer is that none of them produce anything useful. They don’t manufacture anything. They don’t grow or harvest anything. They don’t drive trucks and deliver anything. They don’t treat sick people. They don’t build houses. All of them live off of productive people.

    Most don’t even cut grass or shovel snow!

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  21. David Foster Member
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    The definition of ‘elites’ used in this survey is pretty odd.  By this definition, someone who owns & runs a business worth $50MM…but never attended postgrad education…isn’t an ‘elite’ but someone making $150K salary in a high-cost-of-living area is an elite.  Indeed, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs aren’t elites.  

    I don’t doubt that many/most of the people who fit the definition see *themselves* as members of an elite, but I question how many other people see them that way, or whether those $150K people with postgrad degrees really (typically) have enough influence to be considered that way.

    See my related post What, Precisely, is the issue with ‘Elites’?

     

     

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  22. Django Member
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    The definition of ‘elites’ used in this survey is pretty odd. By this definition, someone who owns & runs a business worth $50MM…but never attended postgrad education…isn’t an ‘elite’ but someone making $150K salary in a high-cost-of-living area is an elite. Indeed, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs aren’t elites.

    I don’t doubt that many/most of the people who fit the definition see *themselves* as members of an elite, but I question how many other people see them that way, or whether those $150K people with postgrad degrees really (typically) have enough influence to be considered that way.

    See my related post What, Precisely, is the issue with ‘Elites’?

     

     

    The twits at NPR are fond of the term “cognitive elite”. 

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  23. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    David Foster (View Comment):
    The definition of ‘elites’ used in this survey is pretty odd. 

    Call this group whatever you want.  It’s still remarkable data.

    I agree with you – these aren’t billionaire media moguls or whatever.

    But there’s quite a a few of these people.  I know lots of them.  Scary stats. 

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  24. MarciN Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Cynical bastard that I am my first thought was what to all those people have in common? I think the answer is that none of them produce anything useful. They don’t manufacture anything. They don’t grow or harvest anything. They don’t drive trucks and deliver anything. They don’t treat sick people. They don’t build houses. All of them live off of productive people.

    I was thinking they must all have some sort of guaranteed income. 

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  25. Jimmy Carter Member
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    It is this fact which gives America its utter newness. All civilizations we know of were shaped by exclusive minorities of kings, nobles, priests, and the equivalents of the intellectual. It was they who formulated the ideals, aspirations, and values, and it was they who set the tone. America is the only instance of a civilization shaped and colored by the tastes and values of common folk. No elite of whatever nature can feel truly at home in America. This is true not only of the aristocrat proper, but also of the intellectual, the military leader, the business tycoon, and even the labor leader.

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  26. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: 2/3 say teachers, not parents, should determine what children are taught

    See how that works for all those teachers in that group who have children!

    But those teachers get to pick the teachers who teach their kids. The proles don’t.

    Anyway why wouldn’t those teachers think that the things they want to teach your children, aren’t what their children should learn too?

    One of my daughter’s teachers in the local public school sent his own kids to a private school, probably a church school.  His colleagues didn’t like that, but I suppose he thought it was important.  He was good at teaching French, and I once took a short night course taught by him. 

    There are all sorts of circumstances out there in the world.   

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    https://palisadesradio.ca/tim-price-the-last-death-rattle-of-the-debt-based-monetary-system/

     

    Tom welcomes back the ever eloquent Tim Price from Price Value Partners for a jaw-dropping interview.

    Tim critically examines global institutions such as the Davos Club and a certain UN Health Organization. He expresses unease about global policies that may potentially marginalize farming and fishing in order to mitigate ecological damage. Price urges comprehensive analysis on such policies’ impacts on global food resources. He disapproves of unelected individuals influencing significant global health and economic strategies and encourages skepticism towards the mainstream media for perpetuating unchecked influence over these areas. Price also identifies a growing trend toward skepticism of global forums, notably through an editorial in the Financial Times questioning the relevance of Davos. He ends by cautioning against “philanthropaths” who amass wealth under the guise of charity and urges for increased understanding of their motivations.

    Tim highlights the value of debate and continuous dialogue in resolving polarized arguments. Individuals should aim to arouse introspection in their interlocutors rather than impose personal beliefs. Understanding can create gradual changes in viewpoints over time. The author advises government not to meddle in the education system and encourages flexible interpretations of reality.

    Price draws parallels between the current credit and debt system and historical failures of such systems. He views Davos as the emblem of big state command economy systems — a form of crony capitalism, not genuine free market capitalism. He suggests teaching classic economics as a buffer against economic downfalls. He casts doubts over the sustainability of the debt-based monetary system in light of the escalating global debt burden and highlights discussions about replacing the dollar with a hard commodity-backed currency in resource-rich economies such as Russia, India, China, and South Africa.

    Price points to economic uncertainties and volatility in various countries, taking Japan as an instance of a resilient economy that weathered two depressions on a par with America’s Great Depression, maintained lower unemployment levels and a sustained GDP. He raises the question of whether Western economies could cope with similar situations. He also underlines ongoing unrest in currencies, the bond market, and the intensifying inflation. Tim criticizes the problematic Keynesian economic model and government interventions in economic systems, proving them incapable of controlling intricate economic operations.

    Tim discusses his book “The War on Cash” and notes that he could have underestimated technological advancements in crypto currencies. Nevertheless, He appreciates the enduring value of his book and emphasizes the preservation of mutual trust in society, arguing that such trust in corporations and states often poses challenges. He advises strengthening ties with local businesses and limiting dependency on credit cards and any form of central bank digital currencies, promoting the use of cash transactions. As an example of an uprising against the current system, he notices the increasing number of protesting farmers, reaffirming the relevancy of his book’s fundamental message today.

    Time Stamp References:
    0:00 – Introduction
    0:37 – Argentina & Ecocide
    4:36 – Vandals & Philanthropaths
    7:12 – Western Suicidal Ideation
    11:49 – Conversations & Questions
    13:50 – Gov’t Out of Education
    18:12 – Truth & Perspective
    22:29 – Davos & Javier Milei
    27:10 – Broken Window Fallacy
    30:09 – Debt Creation Math
    34:07 – Inflation is a Policy
    35:30 – Order of Collapse?
    39:48 – Inflation Comparisons
    42:27 – Keynesian Economics
    46:28 – Tim’s Book – War On Cash
    50:22 – U.K. Postal Scandal
    53:08 – Clarkson’s Small Farm
    55:21 – Worse Worsening
    57:05 – Wrap Up

    Talking Points From This Episode

    • Tim Price criticizes global institutions and policies that affect farming and fishing, urging a deeper analysis of their impacts.
    • Tim believes the idea that government should be involved in any way with education.
    • Price calls for skepticism of the debt-based monetary system and questions its sustainability against the rising global debt burden.

    This is an outstanding podcast. Too bad so many of you can’t tolerate listening to podcasts. lol

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  28. MarciN Member
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    This old Archie Bunker clip (two minutes) is really fitting for these survey results. :) 

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  29. Bob Thompson Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: 2/3 say teachers, not parents, should determine what children are taught

    See how that works for all those teachers in that group who have children!

    But those teachers get to pick the teachers who teach their kids. The proles don’t.

    Anyway why wouldn’t those teachers think that the things they want to teach your children, aren’t what their children should learn too?

    One of my daughter’s teachers in the local public school sent his own kids to a private school, probably a church school. His colleagues didn’t like that, but I suppose he thought it was important. He was good at teaching French, and I once took a short night course taught by him.

    There are all sorts of circumstances out there in the world.

    Yes, and we are just trying to keep things that way.

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    The economy is deflationary. You are constantly getting more value from 90% to 95% of the economy.

    Letting in a bunch of uneducated Mexicans is deflationary.

    A bad education system is deflationary.

    Global trade is deflationary.

    Automation is deflationary. 

    Computers are deflationary.

    So they force constant inflation for some damn reason. Then you get a great big lecture about why 2% inflation advances human flourishing. lol Real geniuses in charge. 

    60% of the population is living paycheck to paycheck right now. 13% of the population controls 90% of the stock market. 

    Etc.

    Etc.

    Etc. 

    Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™

     

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