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I was born and grew up in India, went to the US for college and grad school, lived there for 10 happy years, then moved to Australia and have lived here since.


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Zafar
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Zafar

So free markets have made people in the US poorer?

Why are free markets so great, then?

Xennady

Zafar: So is the promise of free markets - more prosperity for everybody - a false one?  That seems to be what you're saying.

Of course not.

But I am interested in the fate of the United States, not everybody.

The policies followed by the US government have made the rest of the world much more prosperous, which many people here seem to believe is the only goal.

It isn't. The same policies have resulted in millions of jobs departing the United States, higher unemployment, lower wages here, etc- which have resulted in unpleasant events such the election and re-election of Barry Obama as president. 

Zafar

Depends on whom you ask.

Larry Koler

We don't support Left-wing dictators because they are anti-American and they are usually not the lesser of two evils. They are almost always horrific in their mass murdering. 

Yes, even worse than Mubarak. Khomeini worked out well, didn't he? Was the Shah not clearly the lesser evil there? · 4 hours ago

There is zero interest inside Iran in the re-establishment of the Pahlavi dynasty.  They may be misguided, but most Iranians don't find Khomeini a worse option than the Shah.  And arguably many of them have more direct experience of both than you and I.

Zafar

Better for whom?

Better for the US may not be the same as better for Egypt.

Larry Koler

The notion of lesser evil is lost on you? Do you not understand what I am saying?

If not Mubarak, who would have been better? Not different but better? I'm not saying that there is not such a person but to install him or her would have meant the deaths of many innocents. 

Now as you say, the US does things in its own interest (fair enough), but if that disadvantages other people, why should they have a good opinion of it?

Zafar

Google provides

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/jan07/Iran_Jan07_rpt.pdf

From which:

Very large majorities of Iranians have negative views of the United States overall, its influence in the world, its current government, its current president, and its culture. Views of the American people, however, are almost evenly divided Large majorities perceive that US foreign policy is threatening and that US bases in the Middle East are destabilizing the region and threatening to Iran. Very few believe that the primary goal of ‘the war on terrorism’ is to protect the United States from terrorist attacks: most believe that it seeks to dominate the region to control its resources or to undermine the Muslim world. Few believe the United States is really committed to creating an independent Palestinian state. Modest majorities of Americans take contrary views: that US bases in the Middle East are stabilizing, that the goal of the US ‘war on terrorism’ is to protect itself from terrorist attacks, and that the United States is committed to creating an independent Palestinian state. Most Americans, however, agree that US bases in the region are threatening to Iran. 

Zafar

Anti-American is a sloppy term -  American individuals and civil society institutions (like universities) are liked and respected by many people in the ME.  US Govt policy in their region is differentiated from this, and often resented.

Larry Koler

This is a standard left-wing idea. The left supports left-wing dictators all the time and no one says this is cause for anti-Americanism.

Because US foreign policy doesn't support Left wing dictators.

We support whomever we have to for AMERICAN strategic and security reasons... Supporting Mubarak doesn't mean we like him.

It's irrelevant whether you liked Mubarak or not. The Egyptians suffered the consequences for many years any way.

If you read standard news in the world today you get the impression that many people do not like us. It's not true. Even Iranians like America -- and they wish that we would help them 

Sheer fantasy.  People like you, but they dislike your Government.  

Unless they have something to gain professionally or monetarily from saying so I doubt any Iranian would claim that US Govt intervention would be welcomed by most Iranians.

Zafar

So is the promise of free markets - more prosperity for everybody - a false one?  That seems to be what you're saying.

Xennady

Seven billion non-Americans on this planet- and the policies followed by the political class are such that Americans are expected to compete with every one of them.

I'm sure this is a fine example of market principles but the end result is that wages for most Americans will eventually fall to the level an equilibrium point far below what American wages are now.

Zafar

Totus Porcus:

What difference does it make....whether Ambassador Stevens was murdered by “guys out for a walk,” or by an organized al Qaeda affiliate executing a pre-planned assault -- presaged by the CIA -- on the anniversary of September 11? 

Is it always in the US' tactical interests to acknowledge the truth? Especially during armed conflict.

...whether the Obama Administration’s “lead from behind” Middle East policy, orchestrated by Clinton, has not produced flowering democracies, but a stubborn, volatile mess? Whether this policy, and not the mesmerizing influence of an obscure video,  unleashed a wave of violent uprisings that reflects a growing Islamist anti-Americanism?  

What are the alternatives?  America cannot lead from the front in most countries in the ME - the well was poisoned by years of supporting dictators like Mubarak.  (Look there for the reasons for anti-Americanism.)

People keep writing as if there is a better alternative to the Arab Spring, and that the path taken depends on the US, but both of these assumptions seem utterly unrealistic.

...that senior officials of the United States Government, including the Secretary of State and the President, would propagate an elaborate but absurd fiction 

Again: conflict sometimes requires subterfuge.

Zafar

I think the term became standard after WWII as a response to the Holocaust (and to the anti-semitic traditions that preceded it).  

It's an assertion that Jews were part of the same tradition as Christians, not outsiders or different (as had been believed with horrific consequences for centuries).  

It's a good term and was adopted for sound reasons.

Salvatore Padula

 I think we have largely the same view of Western Civilization, but I'd like to know you'r view of why Judaism invariably appended to Christianity when we are talking about the religion. It seems to me to be more based on  Christian perception of Christianity's relationship to Judaism than it is on anything else. We don't refer to Judeo-Christian-Islam as a tradition.

Zafar

It's a deep human instinct.  

The oldest religion, Hinduism, is called Sanaatan Dharma, in Sanskrit - which can be translated as eternal law.

GayFreedomLover

Even in the realm of morality, as Rachel said above, I find myself instinctively drawn to natural law, though without a diety I can't identify a firm foundation for that intuition. 

http://hinduism.iskcon.org/concepts/108.htm

Dharma is often translated as "duty," "religion" or "religious duty" and yet its meaning is more profound, defying concise English translation. The word itself comes from the Sanskrit root "dhri," which means "to sustain." Another related meaning is "that which is integral to something." For example, the dharma of sugar is to be sweet and the dharma of fire to be hot. Therefore, a person'sdharma consists of duties that sustain him, according to his innate characteristics.

Zafar

Enlightened self interest.  

The society you create is the one you'll be living in.

Ed G.

I'm still confused, though. What's the alternative for a non-believer if not nihilism? · 19 minutes ago

Zafar

Did your coworker and their spouse not consent to their marriage?

Arranged marriage isn't synonymous with no choice.  It's a misdirect.

Michael Collins

 

That reminds me.  Recently a defender of gay marriage told me that the consent of both partners is required for marriage.  But the idea that mutual consent is required for marriage was originally a Catholic idea,  Many Hindus and Muslims do not agree.    A co-worker of mine had an arranged marriage for example (both parties seem to be happy).   All of us who were brought up in the Western tradition are viewing that idea of consent through the lens of a tradition that does not seem persuasive to many other cultures in this world.   Should we abolish this idea of mutual consent as violating the separation of Church and State?

For information: Muslim marriages are essentially just contracts.  Entered into, in the presence of a minimum number of witnesses, by the participants saying 'I agree, I agree, I agree' to seal the deal.  Iow, I consent, I consent, I consent.

 (Whether some are forced to consent, of course, is a real issue. )

Edited on May 17, 2013 at 6:29am
Zafar

To be honest, I think Natural Law is an attempt to make a religiously based argument without mentioning God.  Perhaps I've misunderstood it, but that's what it seems like to me, wrt the assumptions underlying what is good, evil, man, woman, purpose.  I prefer a frankly religious argument to that.

GayFreedomLover

 

Yes I see that.  As far as that's concerned I think I agree with you and disagree with Zafar.  I think there are arguments that don't depend on (or at least don't appear to depend on) the existence of a deity that when pressed, unavoidably do.  Ultimately, they're religious. · 44 minutes ago

Zafar

Michael Collins

 

 it is really two questions.  1)  "What kind of argument is a religious argument?"   2)  "Should that kind of argument be dismissed?"  Maybe even that should be rephrased in the plural, "What kindsof argument are religious arguments?   Which of them (if any) should be dismissed?" ·

A religious argument is an argument that could not be made without an assumption about/belief in God, or about teachings from a specific religious tradition.

There’s no reason to exclude honestly religious arguments – though their being religious is a part of how one would evaluate them. (Similar to how one would evaluate openly materialist arguments, openly capitalist arguments, openly socialist arguments.)

I would exclude religious arguments which are presented as non-religious, but that’s more on the lines of good faith debating than on their being religious.  Basically I’m wary of any argument which camouflages its assumptions, or claims that they’re not assumtions, instead of owning them openly.

Zafar

Maybe God is a little bit socialist. 

So what? Would the sky fall if he were?

It strikes me that anthropomorphising God often results in a tendency to re-cast him in our own image.  And that is not necessarily untrue, of course, but it isn't the whole truth.

Zafar

google 'girl writes what' youtube.  She has a bunch of fairly brilliant stuff up - which is usually insightful, often engaging, only rarely unpleasant.  You may enjoy it.

Zafar

Slouch

Joseph Stanko

Zafar: 

I will compete with you on sloth/spite any day. Bring it!

You win.  I just can't be bothered, competing takes too much time and energy... · 7 hours ago

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