Now that every other blog/podcast/youtube channel has had their say on the movie, Ryan and Craig sit down and talk Dennis Villeneuve’s first entry in the new Dune franchise. Does it HAVE to be seen in a theater? Is the story adequately explained for a newb like Craig? Are Ryan and Craig doing enough to keep their bromance alive? How in the actual [expletive] has Ryan not seen Titanic?

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  1. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Not particularly well-informed discussion.

    The guys confuse the Mahdi — a messiah figure meant to remind us of the Muslim heritage of the Fremen — with muad’dib, the desert mouse which, the movie tells us, is the only mammal that can survive in the high desert of Arrakis.

    In the second book of the novel, and presumably in the second movie, Paul Atreides chooses the name, Paul Muad’Dib, as his Fremen name, impressing the Fremen with his precocious wisdom.

    The guys also misunderstand the legends planted by the Bene Gesserit.  The order has planted stories on every planet, not just Arrakis, so that if one of its members has to make a run for it, she will find refuge by embodying the appropriate legend.

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  2. Craig Hanks Contributor
    Craig Hanks
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    Taras (View Comment):

    Not particularly well-informed discussion.

    The guys confuse the Mahdi — a messiah figure meant to remind us of the Muslim heritage of the Fremen — with muad’dib, the desert mouse which, the movie tells us, is the only mammal that can survive in the high desert of Arrakis.

    In the second book of the novel, and presumably in the second movie, Paul Atreides chooses the name, Paul Muad’Dib, as his Fremen name, impressing the Fremen with his precocious wisdom.

    The guys also misunderstand the legends planted by the Bene Gesserit. The order has planted stories on every planet, not just Arrakis, so that if one of its members has to make a run for it, she will find refuge by embodying the appropriate legend.

    Good to know! No, it’s not a particularly well-informed discussion, nor was it meant to be. Just a fun reaction episode. Two Dune lightweights who were born 20 years after the novel’s publication? We aren’t out to teach anyone anything new about it.

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  3. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Craig Hanks (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Not particularly well-informed discussion.

    The guys confuse the Mahdi — a messiah figure meant to remind us of the Muslim heritage of the Fremen — with muad’dib, the desert mouse which, the movie tells us, is the only mammal that can survive in the high desert of Arrakis.

    In the second book of the novel, and presumably in the second movie, Paul Atreides chooses the name, Paul Muad’Dib, as his Fremen name, impressing the Fremen with his precocious wisdom.

    The guys also misunderstand the legends planted by the Bene Gesserit. The order has planted stories on every planet, not just Arrakis, so that if one of its members has to make a run for it, she will find refuge by embodying the appropriate legend.

    Good to know! No, it’s not a particularly well-informed discussion, nor was it meant to be. Just a fun reaction episode. Two Dune lightweights who were born 20 years after the novel’s publication? We aren’t out to teach anyone anything new about it.

    In all probability, I haven’t read Dune since before you guys were born.

    As best I can recall, I last read the book around the time of the Eighties movie.  I remember thinking that David Lynch took 45 minutes to leisurely adapt the first 45 pages of the book; and then he had to rush and rush faster and faster to get through the remaining 400.

    I liked the book, but not so much the sequels — all the grotty stuff about people turning into sandworms — and I think I stopped with Children of Dune.

    I think the new film’s biggest error is miscasting Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto.  The earlier versions of Dune cast the role to suggest that Leto’s real crime is he makes the Emperor feel inferior.  But even with the macho beard Isaac comes across more like a mid-level bureaucrat than a great lord; lacks gravitas, in other words.

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