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  1. goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    I love this guy.

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  2. Peter Robinson Contributor
    Peter Robinson
    @PeterRobinson

    goldwaterwoman:I love this guy.

    Me too.

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  3. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    Mr. Johnson states the Brexit case simply and compellingly. The Remain case is weak, based on negatives; they affirm nothing.

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  4. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    We think we are having troubles, with our election, our choices, etc. At least we still have a country. Can you even imagine? They are voting for whether or not they will remain a country! Let’s see, do I want to live free, able to determine my own destiny? Or would I rather, like some horror movie, be sucked up into an amoebic mass with orders for how I can live my life coming from some invisible entity a universe away over which I have not one iota of control? Wow, tough decision.

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  5. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
    Lazy_Millennial
    @LazyMillennial

    For “through-the-mirror” interesting reading, check out the leftist case for leaving

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  6. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    In his critique of Fukuyama, Roger Scruton made the following relevant observations concerning the EU:

    It was thanks largely to Kojève and Jean Monnet that the European project took on its current form, of a rigid and unreformable bureaucracy, dedicated to extinguishing not only the national loyalties of the European people, but also the Christian culture and democratic institutions that had thrived in them. The European Union ought surely to show to everybody – to those who endorse it as much as those who view it with alarm – that the “end of history” is not a prediction but a project, and one which may very well go wrong. It is a project that is as disconnected from democracy as that other “end of history” project in which Kojève was raised, the project of communist revolution in which “the government of men gives way to the administration of things”.

    Scruton also writes:

    He [Fukuyama] takes Hegel’s apocalyptic idea of the end of history and, instead of standing it on its head as Marx did, strips off its funereal clothes and gives it a carnival suit of democratic values.

    Scruton has quite a way with words, no?

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  7. HVTs Inactive
    HVTs
    @HVTs

    cdor: Or would I rather, like some horror movie, be sucked up into an amoebic mass with orders for how I can live my life coming from some invisible entity a universe away over which I have not one iota of control?

    Sorry, joined late . . . you’re talking about the Federal Government, right?

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  8. Richard Easton Coolidge
    Richard Easton
    @RichardEaston

    cdor:We think we are having troubles, with our election, our choices, etc. At least we still have a country. Can you even imagine? They are voting for whether or not they will remain a country! Let’s see, do I want to live free, able to determine my own destiny? Or would I rather, like some horror movie, be sucked up into an amoebic mass with orders for how I can live my life coming from some invisible entity a universe away over which I have not one iota of control? Wow, tough decision.

    When I hear the latest decision by the Supreme Court or by the administrative state, I’m not sure if we are able to determine our own destiny.  I think the US is in bad shape.  But the world will be a better place if Brexit wins.

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  9. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    This article is showing up every day or two on my FB feed, posted by my relatives (at least the ones that haven’t blocked me).

    Language warning (to say the least)

    Only posting so you can see what the other side is saying.

    I for one am having a quiet chuckle as all these relatives voted passionately for Scotland to leave the UK … but to stay in the EU.

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  10. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    Annefy:This article is showing up every day or two on my FB feed, posted by my relatives (at least the ones that haven’t blocked me).

    Language warning (to say the least)

    It’s amusing that the author says of himself, “I should probably warn you that I’d describe my writing style as ‘man drunk in Weatherspoons at 11am telling you why he should be the England manager’”

    That pretty-much sums up the quality of his work. I couldn’t get much farther.

    Annefy: I for one am having a quiet chuckle as all these relatives voted passionately for Scotland to leave the UK … but to stay in the EU.

    I hear tell that there’s a fair amount of support for Brexit in Scotland even though the SNP favors Remain. Likewise for Jeremy Corbyn and Labour.

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  11. Valiuth Member
    Valiuth
    @Valiuth

    Is it just me or does anyone else think Boris looks like Garry Busey.

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  12. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    drlorentz:

    Annefy:This article is showing up every day or two on my FB feed, posted by my relatives (at least the ones that haven’t blocked me).

    Language warning (to say the least)

    It’s amusing that the author says of himself, “I should probably warn you that I’d describe my writing style as ‘man drunk in Weatherspoons at 11am telling you why he should be the England manager’”

    That pretty-much sums up the quality of his work. I couldn’t get much farther.

    Annefy: I for one am having a quiet chuckle as all these relatives voted passionately for Scotland to leave the UK … but to stay in the EU.

    I hear tell that there’s a fair amount of support for Brexit in Scotland even though the SNP favors Remain. Likewise for Jeremy Corbyn and Labour.

    Unfortunately I have no way to measure the support in Scotland except by my relatives that are on Facebook – and they are increasingly proving themselves to be a lot of nutjobs. The ones I speak with often over the phone refuse to discuss politics – I haven’t brought it up and neither have they.

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  13. Al Kennedy Inactive
    Al Kennedy
    @AlKennedy

    An excellent example of why Boris will be the next Prime Minister if the Tories win the next election in Britain.

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  14. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    HVTs:

    cdor: Or would I rather, like some horror movie, be sucked up into an amoebic mass with orders for how I can live my life coming from some invisible entity a universe away over which I have not one iota of control?

    Sorry, joined late . . . you’re talking about the Federal Government, right?

    Actually it’s the same principle a little earlier on the continuum. The further away the government, the less power to the governed.

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  15. Douglas Inactive
    Douglas
    @Douglas

    I hope the Brits wise up and leave the EU, but I’m convinced the scaremongering from the usual suspects…  Cameron, business types like Richard Branson, etc… will scare them into staying.

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  16. goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    One of the world’s greatest empires and richest cultures. If Remain wins, Winston Churchill will rise up from the grave!

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  17. Grosseteste Thatcher
    Grosseteste
    @Grosseteste

    I count three speaker podiums for the debate, for Leave, Remain (I assume), and what else?

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  18. Al Kennedy Inactive
    Al Kennedy
    @AlKennedy

    Grosseteste:I count three speaker podiums for the debate, for Leave, Remain (I assume), and what else?

    Usually the moderator’s podium has been the one in the middle in these debates.

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  19. Freesmith Member
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    I notice that those in the Remain camp invariably connect Leave with Donald Trump. They are right to make that connection.

    If you love freedom and independence, vote Trump. If you agree with the arguments of Johnson and Farage, vote Trump.

    Do not listen to the fearmongers, to the transnationalists who predict economic disaster with regard to both Brexit and Trump. Do not listen to journals of self-anointed elite opinion, such as National Review, which is right on Leave, an election that is crucial to a foreign country, and wrong on Trump in a make-or-break election right here and now

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  20. HVTs Inactive
    HVTs
    @HVTs

    goldwaterwoman:One of the world’s greatest empires and richest cultures. If Remain wins, Winston Churchill will rise up from the grave!

    If he’d do so now and make a few Leave speeches he just might be able to slumber soundly again.

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  21. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    The choice is between a useless remote unaccountable self-serving, self righteous multinational bureaucracy, and a national bureaucracy with similar virtues.  Closer and more homogeneous is better because it may be easier to get rid of.

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  22. HVTs Inactive
    HVTs
    @HVTs

    cdor:

    HVTs:

    cdor: Or would I rather, like some horror movie, be sucked up into an amoebic mass with orders for how I can live my life coming from some invisible entity a universe away over which I have not one iota of control?

    Sorry, joined late . . . you’re talking about the Federal Government, right?

    Actually it’s the same principal a little earlier on the continuum. The further away the government, the less power to the governed.

    Precisely.   The Framers figured this out and infused federalism into our Constitution.  Today our EU-like chains stem from the improperly, informally amended Constitution which has empowered the Federal government to a tyranny the Framers would have picked up their muskets and resisted.  Brother Robinson’s interview of Gov. Abbott covers this extraordinarily well.

    (But you really need to listen to Peter’s entire interview here: http://www.hoover.org/research/texas-plan-governor-greg-abbott.)

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  23. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    Lazy_Millennial:For “through-the-mirror” interesting reading, check out the leftist case for leaving

    You read very interesting items, consider good alternative arguments, and are well informed.

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  24. HVTs Inactive
    HVTs
    @HVTs

    BrentB67:

    Lazy_Millennial:For “through-the-mirror” interesting reading, check out the leftist case for leaving

    You read very interesting items, consider good alternative arguments, and are well informed.

    In other words, the opposite of “Lazy.”  Perhaps Engaged_Millennial would be more appropriate, although you’ll have to fight through all who consider that an oxymoron.  }:-))

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  25. HVTs Inactive
    HVTs
    @HVTs

    Freesmith:I notice that those in the Remain camp invariably connect Leave with Donald Trump. They are right to make that connection.

    If you love freedom and independence, vote Trump. If you agree with the arguments of Johnson and Farage, vote Trump.

    Do not listen to the fearmongers, to the transnationalists who predict economic disaster with regard to both Brexit and Trump. Do not listen to journals of self-anointed elite opinion, such as National Review, which is right on Leave, an election that is crucial to a foreign country, and wrong on Trump in a make-or-break election right here and now

    Can I just add that you don’t have to disagree with National Review (which—this is key—issued its famous verdict during the primaries).  Trump can be every bit as bad/wrongheaded/vulgar/ill-educated/petulant/amoral/intellectually shallow/vain/populist/nationalist as his worst critics contend.

    He just has to be better for America than Hillary.

    That’s a bar Trump clears every time.

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  26. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
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    @LazyMillennial

    HVTs:

    BrentB67:

    Lazy_Millennial:For “through-the-mirror” interesting reading, check out the leftist case for leaving

    You read very interesting items, consider good alternative arguments, and are well informed.

    In other words, the opposite of “Lazy.” Perhaps Engaged_Millennial would be more appropriate, although you’ll have to fight through all who consider that an oxymoron. }:-))

    Brent, you are too kind, thanks. HVT, I spend most of my time on Ricochet while at work, and while sometimes my computer is doing hard work while I’m surfing and waiting for it to finish, very frequently it’s not.

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  27. drlorentz Member
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    @drlorentz

    Lazy_Millennial:For “through-the-mirror” interesting reading, check out the leftist case for leaving

    It’s amazing that these folks still look to Marx for guidance. It’s almost like that last 100 years or so never happened. It will be interesting to see how the centenary of the October Revolution is observed next year. I predict there will be nostalgia instead of horror at the consequences.

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  28. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    HVTs:

    cdor:

    HVTs:

    cdor: Or would I rather, like some horror movie, be sucked up into an amoebic mass with orders for how I can live my life coming from some invisible entity a universe away over which I have not one iota of control?

    Sorry, joined late . . . you’re talking about the Federal Government, right?

    Actually it’s the same principal a little earlier on the continuum. The further away the government, the less power to the governed.

    Precisely. The Framers figured this out and infused federalism into our Constitution. Today our EU-like chains stem from the improperly, informally amended Constitution which has empowered the Federal government to a tyranny the Framers would have picked up their muskets and resisted. Brother Robinson’s interview of Gov. Abbott covers this extraordinarily well.

    (But you really need to listen to Peter’s entire interview here: http://www.hoover.org/research/texas-plan-governor-greg-abbott.)

    Thx, I’ve been having a touch of trouble downloading that interview onto my iPod. I will be more determined now.

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  29. HVTs Inactive
    HVTs
    @HVTs

    cdor:

    HVTs:

    cdor:

    HVTs:

    cdor: Or would I rather, like some horror movie, be sucked up into an amoebic mass with orders for how I can live my life coming from some invisible entity a universe away over which I have not one iota of control?

    Sorry, joined late . . . you’re talking about the Federal Government, right?

    Actually it’s the same principal a little earlier on the continuum. The further away the government, the less power to the governed.

    Precisely. The Framers figured this out and infused federalism into our Constitution. Today our EU-like chains stem from the improperly, informally amended Constitution which has empowered the Federal government to a tyranny the Framers would have picked up their muskets and resisted. Brother Robinson’s interview of Gov. Abbott covers this extraordinarily well.

    (But you really need to listen to Peter’s entire interview here: http://www.hoover.org/research/texas-plan-governor-greg-abbott.)

    Thx, I’ve been having a touch of trouble downloading that interview onto my iPod. I will be more determined now.

    I have Hoover Institution as an iTunes U on my iPod . . . works fine.  [:-)

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  30. Hypatia Member
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    On June 13 we’ll find out whether or not “there’ll always be an England”.  I’m SO scared it’ll be: not.

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