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ZionJay Nordlinger has an interesting Impromptus up at NRO today where he reveals the results of the following survey:

The other week, I had a journal from Istanbul. I said I had been wowed by the Topkapi Palace. And maybe a little less wowed by Hagia Sophia, by which the whole world is wowed. In a separate blogpost, I quoted an old colleague of mine, Christopher Caldwell. He once said, “The least overrated place in America is the Grand Canyon. The most overrated place is Yankee Stadium.” I then had a question for readers, a question in two parts: What places have you found “least overrated”? And what places have you found “most overrated”?

My answer to that question (talking strictly domestically): one of the least overrated places (in fact, I’d call it woefully underrated) is Zion National Park in Utah. It never seems to crack that first-tier stratum alongside Yellowstone or Yosemite, but it’s possibly the most breathtaking landscape I’ve ever seen. Photography fails to give you any sense of the scale of the place. You practically expect to see a T-Rex around every blind corner.

Most overrated? I’d go with Vegas (as did a lot of Jay’s readers). First things first: it’s in the desert — and deserts are where things go to die. Second, if you’re not in the market for depravity, you’re basically limited to buffets and hack comics or magicians (and if you are in the market for depravity — trust me on this — you’re way better off with New Orleans). Third, I’ve never been able to get over the city’s oddly postmodern quality. What other major city’s skyline consists primarily of replicas of other city’s skylines? There’s a Chrysler Building, an Eiffel Tower, an Arthurian castle, and a pyramid. Also, it bears noting that Vegas — in a not-so-subtle metaphor — looks a whole lot better at night than during daytime hours.

How about you? Least and most overrated travel locales?

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  1. MLH Inactive
    MLH
    @MLH

    Please send me here to die:

    Sunset at Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California

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  2. Petty Boozswha Inactive
    Petty Boozswha
    @PettyBoozswha

    I think this entry demands that you give us a follow up post on The Big Easy – trust but verify.

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  3. Casey Inactive
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    @Casey

    Doesn’t Gabriel live in the desert?

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  4. MLH Inactive
    MLH
    @MLH

    Troy,

    I think this is a nice attempt to drag people out of Claire’s thread but the thumb tacked, call-for-questions post above keeps people from seeing that something new has been posted. Perhaps a side bar like the polls?

    oh, and IMO: that Las Vegas is in the Mojave Desert is it’s only redeeming quality.

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  5. Jon Gabriel, Ed. Contributor
    Jon Gabriel, Ed.
    @jon

    Casey:Doesn’t Gabriel live in the desert?

    The Sonoran Desert of central Arizona is wonderful, but the Mojave Desert of Vegas is miserable.

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  6. Ricochet Inactive
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    @MoxieMom

    >>How about you? Least and most overrated travel locales? 

    Most overrated: San Francisco, with Boston a close second. Both are difficult to move around (SF in particular), even on foot, and I found the people to be ridiculous snobs and quite unpleasant. For a visitor, the restaurant scene in SF does not make up for the vibe that city gives off. Boston’s is even worse, with very poor service. Give me Chicago restaurants and its nicer people.

    Least overrated: It’s hard to beat the Big Island. More of a “real” place, especially Waimea. On the mainland, I love New Mexico.

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  7. Ricochet Inactive
    Ricochet
    @MoxieMom

    My answer to that question (talking strictly domestically): one of the least overrated places (in fact, I’d call it woefully underrated) is Zion National Park in Utah.

    Another best-kept secret in my (current) home state of Utah is Capitol Reef National Park. Interesting petroglyphs there and fascinating rock formations.

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  8. MLH Inactive
    MLH
    @MLH

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    Casey:Doesn’t Gabriel live in the desert?

    The Sonoran Desert of central Arizona is wonderful, but the Mojave Desert of Vegas is miserable.

    Sonoran is too humid; Great Basin is too cold; Mojave is just right!

    And, Jon, if you look on the map, Phoenix is well south of the center.

    arizona_az_state_map

    Of course I’m dividing it into halves, not thirds.

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  9. Frozen Chosen Inactive
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    @FrozenChosen

    Least overrated – Hawaii.  I had low expectations the first time I went and was blown away.

    Most overrated – LA.  Way, way too crowded and it’s just a desert by the ocean!

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  10. Jon Gabriel, Ed. Contributor
    Jon Gabriel, Ed.
    @jon

    Overrated: Florida. Granted, I lived in the landlocked city of Orlando, but I doubt I’d choose that state as a vacation destination or retirement option. I’m sure there are lovely areas on the water, but most the state seemed hot, humid and swampy. Besides, I like the Pacific better than the Atlantic.

    Underrated: Great Lakes region. For summer vacations, I prefer cooler places and you can’t beat Mackinac Island, Traverse City and other nearby destinations with bright white beaches, dark green trees and deep blue waters. Also, the trees are just the right height.

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  11. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: Also, the trees are just the right height.

    Yes, that is important.
    Giraffe Eating Acacia Leaves

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  12. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    Casey:

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: Also, the trees are just the right height.

    Yes, that is important.

    I don’t get it.

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  13. Frozen Chosen Inactive
    Frozen Chosen
    @FrozenChosen

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:Overrated: Florida. Granted, I lived in the landlocked city of Orlando, but I doubt I’d choose that state as a vacation destination or retirement option. I’m sure there are lovely areas on the water, but most the state seemed hot, humid and swampy. Besides, I like the Pacific better than the Atlantic.

    Underrated: Great Lakes region. For summer vacations, I prefer cooler places and you can’t beat Mackinac Island, Traverse City and other nearby destinations with bright white beaches, dark green trees and deep blue waters. Also, the trees are just the right height.

    You should try Sanibel Island, FL in the fall, Jon – the place is magical.

    You are spot on with your underrated choice, However.  That Mackinac Island meet up last June was awesome!

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  14. Nicegrizzly Inactive
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    @Nicegrizzly

    Least overrated: Maine in the summer. Glacier National Park. New York City.

    Most overrated: The Tower of London (internationally). Southern California beaches.

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  15. user_1008534 Member
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    @Ekosj

    I have to agree thet NEW Yankee Stadium is overrated. Its a nice ballpark but that’s all.

    Now OLD Yankee Stadium was a whole different thing. The sky was never so blue, the grass was never so green as when one emerged from a dank, dark tunnel into the stands at the old Stadium! The place was a dump. So what? It was Magical. Squint just so and look out of the corner of your eye and you could still see Ruth, Gehrig, Maris, Mantle, DiMaggio and Munson etc. Why oh why did they ever tear it down?

    To quote Anthony Bourdain : “…you will never understand New York, or New Yorkers, until you have eaten too many bad hot dogs and drunk too much piss beer at a night game at the (old) Stadium.”

    Underrated….Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Really. There’s baseball, football, college basketball (and hockey in Pittsburgh). Thriving colleges, so there are always things happening. University of Cincinnati has a good Conservatory of Music and Theater department so there is young talent in music and theater venues. ( At one point recently there was at least one UC graduate in every production open on Broadway ) Fun, quirky neighborhoods. Nice, friendly, unpretentious people. Good food. Every time I’ve been to either place I’ve had a great time. Underrated? You bet.

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  16. Ricochet Inactive
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    @MoxieMom

    Oh, if we’re going international, I gotta toss some love to Belgium. Very easy country for an American b/c they really DO all speak English. Terrific food and drink to be had there. Easy to move around.

    I also can’t say enough nice things about Vancouver BC.

    I loved London much more than I’d expected to. I was fortunate to have great weather and a local (friend) as a guide. I even managed to have some good meals there.

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  17. Casey Inactive
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    @Casey

    Nicegrizzly:Least overrated: Maine in the summer. Glacier National Park. New York City.

    Most overrated: The Tower of London (internationally). Southern California beaches.

    Allen Neuharth in Confessions of an SOB said the NY Times was both the best and most overrated newspaper.  I think the same can be said of the city.

    And California in general is terribly overrated.

    Least overrated city is Chicago.  And Sedona is spectacular.

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  18. Casey Inactive
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    @Casey

    Ekosj:

    Underrated….Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

    Finally someone’s talking sense!

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  19. user_138562 Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Overrated: The Great Wisconsin Cheese Festival.  I expected that there would be cheese vendors galore and food stands with all kinds of cheesy things to sell.  Bah.  Just visit your local supermarket and you’ll see more cheeses.

    Least Overrated: I think the Black Hills of South Dakota.  Everyone knows about Mount Rushmore, and maybe the Crazy Horse Memorial but there is so much more.  There are caves, waterfalls, twisty fun-to-drive roads, wild life, rock formations and more.

    SDBH6 SDBH1 SDBH2 SDBH3 SDBH4 SDBH5

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  20. user_138562 Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:Underrated: Great Lakes region. For summer vacations, I prefer cooler places and you can’t beat Mackinac Island, Traverse City and other nearby destinations with bright white beaches, dark green trees and deep blue waters. Also, the trees are just the right height.

    Do you have plans for mid-August?  We’d love to have you join us for the weekend-long Ricochet Meetup in Charlevoix, Michigan.

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  21. Ricochet Inactive
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    @MoxieMom

    Favorite destination for a short trip (3 nights)?

    I love Scottsdale during Spring training and the Scottsdale Arts Festival. We try to go every couple of years. Sometimes stay in Scottsdale; sometimes Tempe.

    Maui (Kaanapali), every thing is so easy there. Never leave the beach.

    Vancouver BC for a long weekend. Again, you can do everything you need to on foot or with public transport.

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  22. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    I had a pretty good time in New Orleans once. I think.

    Let’s see… we started in New Orleans…

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  23. Vectorman Inactive
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    @Vectorman

    Randy Weivoda:Overrated: The Great Wisconsin Cheese Festival. I expected that there would be cheese vendors galore and food stands with all kinds of cheesy things to sell. Bah. Just visit your local supermarket and you’ll see more cheeses.

    Least Overrated: I think the Black Hills of South Dakota. Everyone knows about Mount Rushmore, and maybe the Crazy Horse Memorial but there is so much more. There are caves, waterfalls, twisty fun-to-drive roads, wild life, rock formations and more.

    Dang it, Randy!  I really liked the Black Hills area.  Spent 2 days there and could have spent a couple of weeks.  Such a pleasant surprise after Yellowstone, which was good, but they made it hard to stay there – only 3 nights per campsite.  Custer State Park has plenty of camping and it even has an airport! I wanted to go back in August for my wedding anniversary, but it was the same time as the Harley rally in Sturgis.

    Most Overrated: Las Vegas

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  24. Bob W Member
    Bob W
    @BobW

    The place/trip that far exceeded my expectations was rafting through the Grand Canyon, spectacular from the rim but there isn’t enough adjectives for what down there. Second would be Hawaii, the big island.  Overrated, San Francisco, great setting but don’t get up close. Internationally underrated  I would pick New Zealand overrated I pass.

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  25. Ricochet Member
    Ricochet
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Least overrated:

    • The Canadian Rockies (near Banff)
    • Kartchner Caverns (Southern AZ)
    • The Lake Powell area (AZ and UT)
    • Sedona (AZ)
    • Rome
    • The Swiss Alps (esp. the Matterhorn and Jungfrau)
    • The monuments of Washington DC
    • Victoria BC

    Most overrated:

    • Gotta agree about Vegas
    • The Badlands (SD)
    • The Jersey shore
    • Portland OR
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  26. Casey Inactive
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    @Casey

    San Francisco is a great place if you’re 25 years old and your conscience allows you to walk past a dozen homeless people on your way to buy a $9 apple.

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  27. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    @JimGoneWild

    Overrated: Munich, Germany. Dull and boring.

    Underrated: Far Northeast California. Wild, diverse terrain, few people.

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  28. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    @RushBabe49

    Underrated, virtually unknown, the most beautiful place on Earth:

    Cambridge, England

    Punting on the Cam

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  29. lesserson Member
    lesserson
    @LesserSonofBarsham

    Most overrated:
    Venice – interesting but one gigantic tourist trap
    San Francisco- I 2nd (or I guess 4th this motion)

    Underrated:
    Savannah,GA – very beautiful old city, great food
    Smokey Mtns (TN, NC) – camp there in the fall during the leaves changing color, wow

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  30. Locke On Member
    Locke On
    @LockeOn

    Overrated:

    Vegas, baby!

    LA

    Seattle

    Under-rated

    Sequoia/King’s Canyon NP – the ‘other’ Sierra Nevada park

    Redwood NP & adjacent SPs – NW CA

    Eastern Washington wine country

    Jasper/Banff, Canada

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