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Armond White’s back on the podcast. Barely a month after his work was collected in The Press Gang, he has a new collection of his essays and reflection on his career: Make Spielberg Great Again, So I talked to Armond about America’s most famous and most popular director of the last 50 years or so–what it means to be a pop artist, how image and sentiment go together, and what humanism in cinema means, how Spielberg is open to conservative morality and spiritual longing. Armond’s been critical of Spielberg’s latest decade, the Obama turn, but we instead talk about the praiseworthy turn he took during the Bush years.