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In The New York Times, Kristen Clarke writes about her experience as an African-American user of AirBNB:

Though August marks the off-season for tourism in Buenos Aires, I was rejected by the first three hosts I contacted. One host listed the days in question as available but nonetheless claimed my request overlapped with another reservation; another declined without explanation; and a third got back to me after a long delay, claiming to have missed my request. While my fourth request was accepted, the overall experience was a sour one. I am African-American, and because Airbnb strongly recommends display of a profile picture (which I provided) and requires its users to display an actual name, it was hard to believe that race didn’t come into play.

And, she says, it’s not just her:

My experience is hardly unique. This year, the issue of Airbnb discrimination has received considerable attention, especially after African-American users of the service began sharing stories similar to mine on social media using the hashtag AirbnbWhileBlack. A recent study by Harvard Business School researchers found that requests from Airbnb guests with distinctively African-American names were 16 percent less likely to be accepted than those with white-sounding names.

Let us give Clarke the benefit of the doubt and assume that her casual accusation is correct and that four Argentinian Airbnb hosts (or, at least, some of them; details, details) turned her down because she is black. Then, let us further grant that her experience is corroborated by a study that finds state-side discrimination based not on race, but on names that correlate with race (which, I can’t help but note, wouldn’t have affected Clarke). Let’s even go the extra mile and assume that her subsequent suggestions that AirBNB should actively police its hosts for discrimination is actually a good idea and will lead to less racial strife. If we do all that, what do we make of her final recommendation?

Third, Airbnb should stop having users display an actual name or profile picture before booking; that information should be withheld until a reservation has been confirmed. (Airbnb has a feature called Instant Book, which does not give hosts the discretion to reject guests for available dates; by making that feature mandatory, the company could limit the influence of names and pictures.)

Yes, let’s force those racists admit us to their homes, rather than let them hide behind shallow lies and forgo our money. Because that’s what freedom looks like and, of course, it won’t ever be used in ways that Clarke finds objectionable.

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  1. David Carroll Thatcher
    David Carroll
    @DavidCarroll

    While I don’t deny that some bias based upon culture (or race) may exist, I am reminded of the lyrics from the Tom Lehrer song called Smut:

    When correctly viewed

    Everything is lewd.

    I could tell you things about Peter Pan

    And the Wizard of Ox, there’s a dirty old man!

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  2. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Even if this is true wouldn’t the ratings and review system take care of this? Isn’t that the point of AirBnB – maximizing the social networking capabilities of the internet to reduce transaction costs and asymmetrical information?

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  3. aardo vozz Member
    aardo vozz
    @aardovozz

    David Carroll:While I don’t deny that some bias based upon culture (or race) may exist, I am reminded of the lyrics from the Tom Lehrer song called Smut:

    When correctly viewed

    Everything is lewd.

    I could tell you things about Peter Pan

    And the Wizard of Ox, there’s a dirty old man!

    Agreed,but I think you mean the Wizard of Oz. When correctly viewed, “The Wizard of Ox” is even lewder….

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  4. Dean Murphy Member
    Dean Murphy
    @DeanMurphy

    Because “Freedom” means I can force anyone to do what I want without regard to their feelings or beliefs.  If you don’t want to do that, don’t offer your home, car, services, expertise, or any marketable skill.

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  5. RightAngles Member
    RightAngles
    @RightAngles

    Sorry, Ms Clarke, but I want to know if I’m opening my house to this guy:

    tattoos-and-piercings-12

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  6. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    What we are essentially discussing here is profiling. It seems to me that anyone offering a service in which someone comes to your home and stays there for a period of time, that you not only have the right to profile them, but the obligation to do so. “Open Borders” to your home is as bad an idea as open borders to your country.

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  7. Tom Meyer Member
    Tom Meyer
    @tommeyer

    Jamie Lockett:Even if this is true wouldn’t the ratings and review system take care of this? Isn’t that the point of AirBnB – maximizing the social networking capabilities of the internet to reduce transaction costs and asymmetrical information?

    You’d sure think so:

    Cancellation fees

    More than 7 days before check-in: The cancellation fee will be waived for your first cancellation within a 6-month period. Then, for every additional cancellation within that 6-month period, you’ll be charged $50 per cancellation.

    Within 7 days of check-in: Airbnb charges a $100 fee for any reservation canceled within 7 days of check-in.

    We’ll automatically deduct any applicable cancellation fees from your next payout.

    Other penalties

    • Automated reviews: An automated review will be posted to your listing’s profile indicating that you canceled one of your reservations. These reviews can’t be removed, but you can always write a public response to clarify why you needed to cancel.
    • Unavailable/blocked calendar: Your calendar will stay blocked and you won’t be able to accept another reservation for the same dates of the canceled reservation.
    • Loss of eligibility for Superhost status: You won’t be eligible to earn Superhost status for one year after your most recent cancellation.
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  8. DocJay Inactive
    DocJay
    @DocJay

    RightAngles:Sorry, Ms Clarke, but I want to know if I’m opening my house to this guy:

    tattoos-and-piercings-12

    You could talk about Lord of the Rings

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  9. Caryn Thatcher
    Caryn
    @Caryn

    We have rights of free association.  We have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.  If I have a business and want to institute a dress code, I have the right to do that.  Or all these outmoded ideas?

    I haven’t participated in AirBNB, but would not do so without the ability to refuse service to anyone for any reason.  That reason might well be that I don’t want a young, single person, regardless of color.  It’s my house and I might not want unmarried couples sharing a bedroom–I can certainly do that when it’s a friend or relative staying.  I would want the right to refuse service to someone I just don’t like the looks of, since that person would have somewhat free range of my house while I’m asleep.

    Hmmmm….I might have just described why I don’t participate in AirBNB!  Taking away my rights as a homeowner to control what goes on in my house is another good reason not to.

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  10. David Carroll Thatcher
    David Carroll
    @DavidCarroll

    aardo vozz:

    David Carroll:While I don’t deny that some bias based upon culture (or race) may exist, I am reminded of the lyrics from the Tom Lehrer song called Smut:

    When correctly viewed

    Everything is lewd.

    I could tell you things about Peter Pan

    And the Wizard of Ox, there’s a dirty old man!

    Agreed,but I think you mean the Wizard of Oz. When correctly viewed, “The Wizard of Ox” is even lewder….

    Oops!

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  11. Johnny Dubya Inactive
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    @JohnnyDubya

    I am a late adopter of Uber, signing up just last night as I sat on a commuter train that had been held in the middle of its journey due to a “trespasser incident on the tracks” (which is code for “someone committed suicide by getting hit by a train”).

    I exited the train into a Newark, NJ night.  It wasn’t dark, however, as I discovered that Newark uses not just streetlights but floodlights to illuminate the sidewalks.  I used the Uber app to request a ride, and I was surprised to see a picture of the driver provided.  He appeared to be black and/or Hispanic, and I agreed without giving his race a second thought.

    As I had provided my pasty-faced picture, though, I did wonder whether my race entered into his decision to give me a ride.  Minorities themselves often will behave in a “racist” manner by preferring to deal with whites in such situations.

    At any rate, Clarke’s solution is an awful one.  Liberals (I am assuming she is one) love to embrace technology unless it makes them uncomfortable by violating some of their cherished liberal principles.  In the case of Austin, TX, which effectively banned Uber, the principles were over-regulation and the protection of entrenched unions.

    Why stop at Airbnb?  Perhaps Tinder should be prevented from displaying profile pictures.  Wouldn’t that be fun!

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  12. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    This might be easier if we start at the other end… What are the ok reasons for discriminating against someone?

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  13. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    @AaronMiller

    The legal liberty to refuse anyone for any reason has not existed in my lifetime.

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  14. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Why would you want to force a person to open his or her home if that person doesn’t want you there? I sure wouldn’t want to stay somewhere where a person didn’t want me. This is not your typical business transaction.

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  15. Marion Evans Inactive
    Marion Evans
    @MarionEvans
    1. Yes, racism is an awful thing.
    2. Yes, there are too many racist people in the world.
    3. No, you can’t force them to accept you in their home.
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  16. RightAngles Member
    RightAngles
    @RightAngles

    DocJay:

    RightAngles:Sorry, Ms Clarke, but I want to know if I’m opening my house to this guy:

    tattoos-and-piercings-12

    You could talk about Lord of the Rings

    Or Franklin Pierce.

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  17. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    So, Argentinians are racist and the American government needs to solve that problem!?!

    Having lived overseas (though not in South America), let me tell you, racism in other countries is overt in ways that even a conservative like me finds shocking.

    You will be a guest in their country, you don’t get to lecture them about how they want to live to someone that is opening up their private home for you stay in.

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  18. A-Squared Inactive
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    @ASquared

    Aaron Miller:The legal liberty to refuse anyone for any reason has not existed in my lifetime.

    It has, just in relatively narrow circumstances.

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  19. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    RightAngles:Sorry, Ms Clarke, but I want to know if I’m opening my house to this guy:

    tattoos-and-piercings-12

    Why ya gotta put me on blast like that RA?

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  20. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    There is no “fair” way to define discrimination as it butts up against the kinds of objections perfectly reasonable people might have.

    One of many reasons why I think people should be free to discriminate in any way they like. To the extent that they are wrong to do so, it will cost them in opportunities lost.

    We do this anyway. I cannot be forced to marry anyone regardless of my preference. Basketball teams prefer tall people, and mosques do not hire mormons to lead services.  We all avoid “shifty-looking” people who might have an entirely innocent neurological disorder.

    Life is not fair. Legislation and regulation will not make it so.

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  21. RightAngles Member
    RightAngles
    @RightAngles

    BrentB67:

    RightAngles:Sorry, Ms Clarke, but I want to know if I’m opening my house to this guy:

    tattoos-and-piercings-12

    Why ya gotta put me on blast like that RA?

    Oh, I know I promised never to post our private pics of you, but it was just so a propos.

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  22. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    A-Squared: Having lived overseas (though not in South America), let me tell you, racism in other countries is overt in ways that even a conservative like me finds shocking.

    Absolutely. Europeans are shockingly and openly racist in ways that make Americans cringe.

    At least we try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

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  23. Johnny Dubya Inactive
    Johnny Dubya
    @JohnnyDubya

    Casey:This might be easier if we start at the other end… What are the ok reasons for discriminating against someone?

    Aaron Miller:The legal liberty to refuse anyone for any reason has not existed in my lifetime.

    There was once a debate on Ricochet regarding a story about regulated airport taxi drivers refusing service to certain customers.  The drivers in question were, of course, Muslims.  Here’s one such story.  Believe it or not, there was one member who argued on libertarian grounds that Muslim drivers should be able to refuse service to Jews.

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  24. Johnny Dubya Inactive
    Johnny Dubya
    @JohnnyDubya

    iWe:There is no “fair” way to define discrimination as it butts up against the kinds of objections perfectly reasonable people might have.

    One of many reasons why I think people should be free to discriminate in any way they like. To the extent that they are wrong to do so, it will cost them in opportunities lost.

    We do this anyway. I cannot be forced to marry anyone regardless of my preference. Basketball teams prefer tall people, and mosques do not hire mormons to lead services. We all avoid “shifty-looking” people who might have an entirely innocent neurological disorder.

    Life is not fair. Legislation and regulation will not make it so.

    Indeed, life is not fair.  I once met with an job applicant who had to explain to me at the very beginning of the interview that he was not drunk, but rather that his speech was slurred due to cerebral palsy.  He was hired, by the way, and he still works here.

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  25. RightAngles Member
    RightAngles
    @RightAngles

    Johnny Dubya:There was once a debate on Ricochet regarding a story about regulated airport taxi drivers refusing service to certain customers. The drivers in question were, of course, Muslims. Here’s one such story. Believe it or not, there was one member who argued on libertarian grounds that Muslim drivers should be able to refuse service to Jews.

    Oh well of course Muslims should be allowed to do anything they want, including refusing cakes for a gay wedding and then throwing the gay couple off a rooftop while tied to a chair, setting their wives on fire, and beheading me.

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  26. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Johnny Dubya: Believe it or not, there was one member who argued on libertarian grounds that Muslim drivers should be able to refuse service to Jews.

    I agree that taxi drivers should be able to pick their passengers. They do it anyway, and not all passengers are equally desirable.

    Would I be offended if someone who dislikes me based on the fact that I am Jewish declined to sell me a ride? On the contrary! I would be relieved.

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  27. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Johnny Dubya: Indeed, life is not fair. I once met with an job applicant who had to explain to me at the very beginning of the interview that he was not drunk, but rather that his speech was slurred due to cerebral palsy. He was hired, by the way, and he still works here.

    A great example. It is good that he understood he had to explain it.

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  28. MSJL Thatcher
    MSJL
    @MSJL

    It seems that the fundamental issue at play here is a person’s right to be a jerk.  We’ve made various decisions as a society that we don’t like jerks who:

    discriminate against offering and providing employment, housing opportunities, business, and civil services to people who look different from them

    discriminate against offering and providing employment, housing opportunities, business, and civil services to people who have a different religion from them

    discriminate against offering and providing employment, housing opportunities, business, and civil services to people who have come from a different place on the planet, etc.

    discriminate against offering and providing employment, housing opportunities, business, and civil services to people who are a different sex from them

    We had wars of religion and intolerable abuses that caused great civil unrest to back up our thinking on this subject and direct a limit to which we will tolerate people being jerks.

    Now we can add to the list of prohibited jerks those who don’t approve of or are willing to accommodate another person’s sexual preferences or identities.

    The list continues to grow.  The most recent expansion for gay marriage was largely pushed by the courts and not by the legislatures.

    This is not a debate about the merits of gay marriage, LBGT rights, etc.; I use that because it’s the most recent case.

    The point is at what point in a free society do we allow people to be jerks if they want, and at what threshold should the state play a role picking sides?

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  29. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    MSJL: The point is at what point in a free society do we allow people to be jerks if they want, and at what threshold should the state play a role picking sides?

    I favor clean lines. People should be allowed to be jerks if they want to. Just like they are allowed to sin in all manners of ways. Judaism and Christianity try to convince people to try to be good – we do not force them.

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  30. Douglas Inactive
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    @Douglas

    Caryn: We have rights of free association

    Oh no we don’t. That died in the 60’s.

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