Ep. 258 – John Ziegler, Senior Columnist at Mediaite, talk-show host and Emmy award-winning filmmaker, discusses being Never Trump, the real story of the California and New York lockdowns, what will happen in the upcoming election, and his discussion with Glenn Beck.

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  1. Sam Thatcher

    Good interview Dave,

    I lost Ziegler’s thinking about three quarters of the way through, but you pressed him on his views and, well, I had to stop listening/watching. He stopped making sense.

    I hope that what you have coming up is great for you, but does not take you away from Whiskey Politics. It has become one of my favorites on Ricochet.

     

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    • September 24, 2020, at 4:21 PM PDT
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  2. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    I’m sorry you wasted your time trying to make sense out of the nonsensical. This guy is just another angry, loud-mouthed Never Trumper and ten pounds lighter than a straw hat. He seems to hate everybody but foolish enough to vote for the Antifa crowd to take over the country. 

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    • September 24, 2020, at 4:44 PM PDT
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  3. Dave Sussman Podcaster

    Sam (View Comment):

    Good interview Dave,

    I lost Ziegler’s thinking about three quarters of the way through, but you pressed him on his views and, well, I had to stop listening/watching. He stopped making sense.

    I hope that what you have coming up is great for you, but does not take you away from Whiskey Politics. It has become one of my favorites on Ricochet.

     

    You missed the best part! Thanks for the good thoughts Sam. Not going anywhere and appreciate your listening. Cheers.

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    • September 24, 2020, at 10:39 PM PDT
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  4. Dave Sussman Podcaster

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    I’m sorry you wasted your time trying to make sense out of the nonsensical. This guy is just another angry, loud-mouthed Never Trumper and ten pounds lighter than a straw hat. He seems to hate everybody but foolish enough to vote for the Antifa crowd to take over the country.

    GWW, how do you feel though ;)

    Love your input as always. You’ll love Judge Warren coming up tomorrow on SCOTUS.

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    • September 24, 2020, at 10:41 PM PDT
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  5. The Cynthonian Member

    HRC would have cemented and extended all the damage done by the 8 years of the Obama-Biden administration. 

    This guy is an NT/TDS nut. Slightly different version of pearl-clutching. And he basically accused Glenn Beck of selling out for financial reasons. Very classy.

    Dave, not worth your or my time. 

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    • September 24, 2020, at 11:23 PM PDT
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  6. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    Dave Sussman (View Comment):
    Love your input as always. You’ll love Judge Warren coming up tomorrow on SCOTUS.

    I almost didn’t write the negative comment as your interviews are always a treat, but I couldn’t help myself. It’s almost beyond belief to me that anyone on the right could consider voting for a Dem president with Nancy in the House. If we can discount Trump’s propensity for undiplomatic language, we would all be singing his praises. How I wish his mother would have taught him better manners, but he is what he is and infinitely better policy-wise than the crazies on the left who are burning down our cities. 

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    • September 25, 2020, at 2:22 PM PDT
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  7. Jim Wright Coolidge

    I remember Ziegler from his time at KFI. I see he’s as vocal and unpredictable as ever. I always had the sense that, love him or hate him, he was the same guy on the mic as he was when the show ended. He reminds me a bit of Dan Carlin – who also had that KFI cadence.

    Ziegler is an audio Tasmanian Devil, but you managed a good interview. Well done!

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    • September 25, 2020, at 10:54 PM PDT
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  8. Architectus Coolidge

    Jim Wright (View Comment):

    I remember Ziegler from his time at KFI. I see he’s as vocal and unpredictable as ever. I always had the sense that, love him or hate him, he was the same guy on the mic as he was when the show ended. He reminds me a bit of Dan Carlin – who also had that KFI cadence.

    Ziegler is an audio Tasmanian Devil, but you managed a good interview. Well done!

    Agree, Dave did a great job pushing back respectfully and engaging him on his terms. I do like to hear all sides. However . . . there are those I disagree with that are at least intellectually consistent on their own terms. Not so with Ziegler. He can’t even win an argument with himself if he took his own views seriously. Perhaps the worst was his fundamental capitulation to the left’s threats and violence. And he is also a bit myopic, obsessed with California and COVID, but to each his own.

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    • September 26, 2020, at 7:35 AM PDT
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  9. RufusRJones Member

    I am partway through this. I wasn’t going to listen for the reasons above except the auto play kept it going to his rant so I’m listening to the mask part right now. I’m pretty sure I’ll finish it.

    He is dead right about mask policy and the inability of experts to admit they are wrong. Every single week it seems like there is another nail in the coffin about mask policy as a public health intervention. I don’t think it adds a damn thing because it’s redundant 90% of the time, and it might even make the R0 worse. They already know how you get it. You get it from extended contact around somebody indoors that is spreading. 15 minutes minimum. Very few states are acting like that’s the priority imperative and it’s a disaster.

    Dave I don’t know if this is possible but I wish you could interview Dan Proft about COVID-19 policy. He has the best Birdseye view on what is really happening. In my opinion he’s very open about contrary opinions and he counters them very well. Very informed.

    I would say Dan’s two big points are they need to be more humble when they are wrong to increase credibility and the data against masks is stacking up like crazy and it isn’t getting enough publicity.

    There has to be some way some libertarian sugar daddy can force every level of government to put on a dog and pony show about the supposed efficacy of masks. It hasn’t happened once yet. It’s outrageous. The mask enforcement laws they created in Minnesota at a stroke of a pen drive me crazy. They make us wear these damn things at gunpoint but then they don’t even have to put on a dog and pony show about why it “works”.

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    • September 27, 2020, at 3:45 AM PDT
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  10. RufusRJones Member

    When Ziegler started talking about Fauci it reminded me of something. I forget where I heard this, but the left really likes non-legislated forced mask policy. They want to run everything like this. It doesn’t matter if it’s efficacious or not, it’s the way they want society to run. Force all this collectivist stuff based on experts. Everybody rows the boat like the Soviet Union supposedly did. It reminds me of old Soviet posters that just look nuts to any normal person. And the goal is to get further up the mafia chain to make money and force other people around.

    Voting for Biden is a vote for single payer. Then what happens? Single payer can never be undone. It’s like one of those freight trains that falls off a bridge and drags the rest of the train down. The whole country in other words. You won’t be able to stop it.

    Thank you thank you thank you, Dave for your point about the Lincoln Project. I came up with this rule that I don’t mind listening to people criticize Trump, even rabidly, as long as they aren’t associated with whoever is organized about it. There is something seriously screwy with those people. They aren’t compelling at all because they are doing it for lifestyle / power reasons or they are full of scotomas. The well intended ones don’t study anything. 

    Now Ziegler says he used to be part of the organized never trump resistance. I do remember that now. He got on that Niskinen Center list. That was an unbelievably bizarre situation that got no publicity for some reason. Plus that think tank is flat out weird and it’s bizarre they are so associating with nominal conservatives.

    Ziglar is absolutely right about Bill Kristol and grifting. All of those guys are getting money from Pierre Omidyar. Evan McMullin, Mindy Finn, The Bulwark. Basically 3/4 of the speakers at the Principles First convention. I hope someday it gets uncovered who gave Principles First seed money. Principles First is a bunch of naïve tea partiers being run by the left and neocons or whatever.

    I think he’s right about Hillary and the perception of lockdowns etc.

    I would really love to know what he thinks about Biden winning and then they shove single payer down our throats.

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    • September 27, 2020, at 4:30 AM PDT
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  11. RufusRJones Member

    Ziegler is 100% wrong about trade policy. We have done every single thing wrong in the face of automation and globalized trade ever since the Soviet Union fell. People are getting killed by it and we need to keep / get that constituency in the conservative camp. Since we are working on this so late, this is a very complicated problem and I’ve listened closely to Trump’s advisers on this type of thing and he’s on the right track, in my opinion.

    Ziegler is right about COVID-19 policy and its affect on society. This is a huge win for the left and the behavior of society going forward. This is why we have got to shame that [Ricochet Speech Code Violation] mask policy away.


    If you want to understand the economic issues around Trump and automation/trade, I highly recommend you listen to the latest interview of a guy named Jeff Booth on Real Vision. He has a prior interview that you can see for free on YouTube under Real Vision, but this new one is better. You have to sign up and pay a dollar for it. I’m surprised they are giving it away because it’s on their $600 level of videos. I didn’t pay that much but I don’t think you can get my deal anymore.

    It drives me up a wall when Never Trump talks about trade an automation as if these are unambiguously good things. They would be if we ran with a deflationary economy which is impossible right now. I’ve paid super close attention to everybody around Trump and they are doing the right thing. Unfortunately, it’s a very complicated subject. The other thing from that video is it shows why it is impossible to control spending with political world anymore. Conservatives have to take other ground and try to keep it.


    I am so glad I listened to that. Very educational. He just nailed my point about how organized never Trump is in a separate class and they are just terrible comprehensively. I get where he’s coming from, and he’s being very fair, but I just don’t agree with it. That is a completely different deal from organized Never Trump. The other thing is he doesn’t babble about idealistic crap about civics that are just impossible for the foreseeable future. People that talk like that are naïve.

    Really well done, Dave.

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    • September 27, 2020, at 4:59 AM PDT
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  12. RufusRJones Member

    How much money would it take for a libertarian sugar daddy to take down the whole mask efficacy nonsense? I bet it would take $200,000. You could totally embarrass them with one video and one website. You could anticipate every single answer they are going to have and hit them again. 

    The level of government force without any legislation is one of the most despicable things that has ever happened to this country. It’s an outrage. 

    I’m not sure I even care about the policy that much as long as they are shamed into “explaining” it.

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    • September 27, 2020, at 5:07 AM PDT
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  13. RufusRJones Member

    This is terrible.

     

     

     

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    • September 27, 2020, at 6:38 AM PDT
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  14. RufusRJones Member

    Now, look at this thread. Zigler is going to be proved right about everything. 

     

     

    You put Ziglar and Dan Proft in charge of fighting this nonsense, give them enough money, and it would be over yesterday.

     

     

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    • September 27, 2020, at 7:21 AM PDT
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  15. LibertyDefender Member

    I didn’t listen to this podcast until today, October 4, 2020. I think that Dave Sussman did John Ziegler and his audience a disservice by so often stipulating that John Ziegler is objective, honest, rational, …

    The race relations in this country would be so much better if Hillary Clinton were President???!? Black Lives Matter was founded during the administration of the black President Barack Obama, based on the “Hands up, don’t shoot” lie that the black President Barack Obama never condemned.

    This CoViD-19 crisis would be over already if Hillary Clinton were President???!? Hillary would have dumped the milquetoast Merrick Garland, and nominated some progressive activist, and she’d have done the same thing to replace Kennedy. By the time CoViD-19 rolled around, the Supreme Court would be willing to endorse any power grab the unitary executive wanted to make.

    It’s a good thing that John Ziegler is not emotionally invested in his opinions that Donald Trump is an idiot and does nothing right ever, because

    • expanding Middle East peace and
    • domestic energy independence and
    • administrative state rollback and
    • promotion of k-12 school choice and
    • the restoration of due process on campuses and
    • the protection of 1st Amendment and 2d Amendment freedoms and
    • demanding full NATO participation and
    • exposing China’s trade theft and
    • bringing North Korea to heel and
    • destroying ISIS and
    • withdrawing from BOTH the Paris Climate Accords and the treasonous Iran deal

    are all such horrible policies that were implemented by an idiot who does nothing right ever, that they would send a guy right over the edge if he were at all emotionally invested.

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    • October 4, 2020, at 2:16 PM PDT
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  16. Architectus Coolidge

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    I didn’t listen to this podcast until today, October 4, 2020. I think that Dave Sussman did John Ziegler and his audience a disservice by so often stipulating that John Ziegler is objective, honest, rational, …

    The race relations in this country would be so much better if Hillary Clinton were President???!? Black Lives Matter was founded during the administration of the black President Barack Obama, based on the “Hands up, don’t shoot” lie that the black President Barack Obama never condemned.

    This CoViD-19 crisis would be over already if Hillary Clinton were President???!? Hillary would have dumped the milquetoast Merrick Garland, and nominated some progressive activist, and she’d have done the same thing to replace Kennedy. By the time CoViD-19 rolled around, the Supreme Court would be willing to endorse any power grab the unitary executive wanted to make.

    It’s a good thing that John Ziegler is not emotionally invested in his opinions that Donald Trump is an idiot and does nothing right ever, because

    • expanding Middle East peace and
    • domestic energy independence and
    • administrative state rollback and
    • promotion of k-12 school choice and
    • the restoration of due process on campuses and
    • the protection of 1st Amendment and 2d Amendment freedoms and
    • demanding full NATO participation and
    • exposing China’s trade theft and
    • bringing North Korea to heel and
    • destroying ISIS and
    • withdrawing from BOTH the Paris Climate Accords and the treasonous Iran deal

    are all such horrible policies that were implemented by an idiot who does nothing right ever, that they would send a guy right over the edge if he were at all emotionally invested.

    And that is just a short list. But wait, there’s more!

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    • October 4, 2020, at 3:29 PM PDT
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