It’s been a terrible week for Trump – which means a terrible week for those who love this country. Jay and Mona consider the implications of the Russia probe, Flynn’s conduct, the Comey business, and the president’s leaked comments to the Russians about Comey. What a world. The podcast ends with some happy musings about music, and a note of hope, if not exactly optimism, from Jay.

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  1. Profile photo of JcTPatriot Thatcher

    Yes, it is worth all this. The alternative would have been a President working to end America as we know it. Two more Kagan/Sotomayor/Ginsberg monsters on the Supreme Court and the Constitution was destroyed.

    This is why the Left is so upset about Trump winning, and are now actively working to remove him from office. He is interrupting the fundamental change started by Obama that was supposed to be completed by Clinton.

    I have no idea why you are trying to remove him, Mona. Something-something-no-class-something-something-crass-something-something-steak-with-catsup.

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    • May 19, 2017 at 5:20 pm
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    Yes. What a stupid question.

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    • May 19, 2017 at 5:38 pm
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    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    Yes, it is worth all this. The alternative would have been a President working to end America as we know it. Two more Kagan/Sotomayor/Ginsberg monsters on the Supreme Court and the Constitution was destroyed.

    This is why the Left is so upset about Trump winning, and are now actively working to remove him from office. He is interrupting the fundamental change started by Obama that was supposed to be completed by Clinton.

    I have no idea why you are trying to remove him, Mona. Something-something-no-class-something-something-crass-something-something-steak-with-catsup.

    Is that what Trump is doing? Strange way of going about it. Rather Trump is carrying out some half formed idea in his weak brain that the Russians want to help us with ISIS. All the fundamental change by Obama is still there. Mona and I want him gone so we can have Pence and some sanity instead of a blundering 17 year old in a 70 year old body.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 8:33 am
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    I truly don’t understand why people who are die hard Trump supporters at all costs because no matter what he does ever, he will never be Hillary, so awesome… listen to this podcast. It’s not really for you because Jay is right. The fit/not fit bridge doesn’t exist.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 9:21 am
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I truly don’t understand why people who are die hard Trump supporters at all costs because no matter what he does ever, he will never be Hillary, so awesome… listen to this podcast. It’s not really for you because Jay is right. The fit/not fit bridge doesn’t exist.

    It is not being a die hard Trump supporter, but thank you for putting words in my mouth.

    It is saying, that unless and until Trump being president is worse than Clinton, then it is a win.

    Get back to me when you can prove to me that having Clinton right now would be better. Prove it.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 9:24 am
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    Asking whether it is worth it to have Trump (as opposed to Clinton) had meaning in the first months of shock and gratitude after the election. There was a certain legitimacy because of the timing. Now as conservatives we have to do what Mona and Jay are attempting to do…in the utter chaos created by the corrupt media and the Left and the way their influence interacts with the…incompetence? corruption? idiocy? of Trump, we have to be able to start making hard assessments of the consequences of having such an immature and ignorant man in office. We need people who aren’t simply defending Trump because they are enraged (however rightly so) by what the other tribe is doing to take him down. We need to stand on the side of truth and wisdom and character so we will have something to offer the world when they are left wondering what happened.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 9:30 am
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    Thank you @listeningin These are my sentiments. Yes the media, “deep state”, and liberals are acting terribly, but why can’t Trump act in a way that doesn’t undermine his own agenda?

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    • May 20, 2017 at 9:57 am
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I truly don’t understand why people who are die hard Trump supporters at all costs because no matter what he does ever, he will never be Hillary, so awesome… listen to this podcast. It’s not really for you because Jay is right. The fit/not fit bridge doesn’t exist.

    It is not being a die hard Trump supporter, but thank you for putting words in my mouth.

    It is saying, that unless and until Trump being president is worse than Clinton, then it is a win.

    Get back to me when you can prove to me that having Clinton right now would be better. Prove it.

    I didn’t intend to put words into anyone’s mouth, but the “binary choice” thing is not relevant when analyzing the job that Trump is doing as president right now. In fact, Hillary Clinton became pretty irrelevant the day after the votes were counted in November, even if she has started another PAC and joined the “resistance.”

    But the fact that you bring up Clinton is related to the point Jay was making when he said Leftists have always looked at the rule of Castro and said “But Batista” in Fidel’s defense. That line of apology always showed die hard support for Castro because Batista would always be worse no matter what and no one could prove the contrary.

    Regardless, the following is a false syllogism: Clinton would be a horrible president. Trump is not Clinton. Therefore, Trump is not a horrible president.

    That’s just bad reasoning. But that was also not my point.

    It just seems to me that listening to this particular podcast is probably about as useful for some people as listening to Sean Hannity would be for me.

    Why?

    Those people don’t trust these two people to give them any useful insights at all–they feel their judgements are clouded by disdain for Trump–so why do they listen to them or comment on their podcasts?

    For me, that’s the quandary.

    It just seems like a waste of those people’s time.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 10:33 am
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I truly don’t understand why people who are die hard Trump supporters at all costs because no matter what he does ever, he will never be Hillary, so awesome… listen to this podcast. It’s not really for you because Jay is right. The fit/not fit bridge doesn’t exist.

    It is not being a die hard Trump supporter, but thank you for putting words in my mouth.

    It is saying, that unless and until Trump being president is worse than Clinton, then it is a win.

    Get back to me when you can prove to me that having Clinton right now would be better. Prove it.

    I didn’t intend to put words into anyone’s mouth, but the “binary choice” thing is not relevant when analyzing the job that Trump is doing as president right now. In fact, Hillary Clinton became pretty irrelevant the day after the votes were counted in November, even if she has started another PAC and joined the “resistance.”

    But the fact that you bring up Clinton is related to the point Jay was making when he said Leftists have always looked at the rule of Castro and said “But Batista” in Fidel’s defense. That line of apology always showed die hard support for Castro because Batista would always be worse no matter what and no one could prove the contrary.

    Regardless, the following is a false syllogism: Clinton would be a horrible president. Trump is not Clinton. Therefore, Trump is not a horrible president.

    That’s just bad reasoning. But that was also not my point.

    It just seems to me that listening to this particular podcast is probably about as useful for some people as listening to Sean Hannity would be for me.

    Why?

    Those people don’t trust these two people to give them any useful insights at all–they feel their judgements are clouded by disdain for Trump–so why do they listen to them or comment on their podcasts?

    For me, that’s the quandary.

    It just seems like a waste of those people’s time.

    So, you are asserting that if Clinton was POTUS right now, things might be better? I want to be sure I understand that you are making that argument.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 12:51 pm
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    But the fact that you bring up Clinton is related to the point Jay was making when he said Leftists have always looked at the rule of Castro and said “But Batista” in Fidel’s defense. That line of apology always showed die hard support for Castro because Batista would always be worse no matter what and no one could prove the contrary.

    Please show me how Trump has become Batista. Seems to me Jay’s playing the same game. … I’m totally willing to admit that Trump could become a strongman, presidente type, but so far he has not. If anything, so far at least, he’s backed off his most appalling campaign comments (on the wall, for example, and despite the amateurishness of the temporary travel ban executive order, he has met with Abbas and will do so in Jerusalem, which, to me, kind of tempers the idea of an anti-Muslim rather than anti-terrorist bias, but maybe I’m wrong).

    My comments are not in support of Trump. Didn’t vote for him, and I expect to have to be part of the challenge against his protectionist mindset. But if he’s removed from office without committing provable high crimes and misdemeanors, that will be the saddest day of our democracy.

    My wish is that critics of the president on the conservative side of the plank they want him to walk would not be so quick to endorse media reports because Trump is uncouth. (I’m thinking of Jay’s comment in a previous podcast regarding the allegation that Comey asked for more money for the Russia investigation right before being fired; I don’t think that has panned out.) So far–please correct me if I’m wrong–the only real crime we know has happened is the leak to the press regarding Flynn (who may well have committed genuine offenses and, if so, should be punished), which isn’t being reported on at all. I don’t get why this distinction doesn’t seem to be very important to Mona and Jay, at least as far as I can tell from columns and podcasts. But, then, I’m one of those libertarian-minded folks who supports the rights of social conservatives but believes their views will never again win in a presidential election, if for no other reason than Trump is a perfect reflection of the culture the majority endorse.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 1:01 pm
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    So, you are asserting that if Clinton was POTUS right now, things might be better? I want to be sure I understand that you are making that argument.

    Nope. I didn’t vote for Clinton, and I think she would have been a s**t president. But that is now completely irrelevant.

    If we can play the “go back in time and pick another candidate” game, i.e. if you say Mona and Jay wanted someone else, then I say let’s go back to the primary.

    They’d’ve been satisfied with ANY other Republican candidate. ANY one. Hillary’s email scandal would have still hit her hard, and blue collar workers would have hated her just as much, so I think the election would still have been won by the right. Then you would have still gotten a judge like Gorsuch, and you still wouldn’t have Clinton. Then the question, “Was putting Trump into power worth getting Gorsuch?” means a whole different thing, right?

    That’s supposition, of course, and Mona and Jay might have voted for Clinton, except I believe they’ve said they didn’t. I believe they voted third party, though they would have voted for any other Republican. (You can correct me if I’m wrong on that point.)

    This podcast was about assessing Trump’s performance, not rehashing the election, which is over, and his performance has not been great by the standards Mona and Jay hold…

    If those standards mean nothing to you, then okay. Why look to them for any measurement?

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    • May 20, 2017 at 1:13 pm
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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):
    Please show me how Trump has become Batista.

    I did not take the comment as meaning Trump is like Batista. If you’re looking at it that way, Clinton would be Batista, and Trump would be Castro. But I don’t think the comment was saying Trump is like Castro as a ruler either. The comment was an easy analogy to show how you can’t constantly point to a really bad leader to excuse another leader’s record/behavior–whatever that record/behavior be–without your defense becoming/sounding a bit absurd.

    Now, I will completely concede that Jay especially sometimes seems incapable of seeing Trump through a filter that divorces out his own sense of class. Totally. I get it. I like Jay’s work, but I can’t see him in certain settings, which impacts his analysis.

    Trump’s crassness at 1600 PA Ave. is not unique though, and it’s not the ultimate handicap. (Think LBJ. Super crass. Called “Uncle Cornpone.” Not my idea of a great president, but man… He got a LOT of his agenda through.)

    And they aren’t attacking Trump’s style in isolation so much as analyzing what is really not going all that well in the White House. Mona and Jay find the man’s skills and character completely unsuited to his office, Yet it’s worth pointing out that these two commentators have praised Trump on multiple occasions, whatever his lack of polish.

    They are objecting now to how he governs… how he does his job. This is related to the FBI thing. Not because we have proof of any wrong doing either. I’m totally with you there, too. We haven’t seen any evidence of collusion at all, so much of the coverage feels hyper and overly dramatic. (Didn’t Mona and Jay point out here how Comey’s memo was very self-serving for Comey? I believe they did.)

    The pile-on with Comey is partially a story that the “master of media” is not controlling. At all. That’s part of his job, too. Whatever Donald Trump is doing, it’s not getting tax cuts or shrinking government or replacing healthcare, sooooo…

    Trump deserves criticism. It doesn’t have anything to do with Hillary Clinton.

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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I did not take the comment as meaning Trump is like Batista. If you’re looking at it that way, Clinton would be Batista, and Trump would be Castro. But I don’t think the comment was saying Trump is like Castro as a ruler either. The comment was an easy analogy to show how you can’t constantly point to a really bad leader to excuse another leader’s record/behavior–whatever that record/behavior be–without your defense becoming/sounding a bit absurd

    What I was trying to get at (clearly very poorly), is that the claim seems to link all push-back on behalf of Trump or the Trump presidency as an obviously hypocritical meme, and I just don’t think that’s right. We all have our subjective attachments (biases), even if we try not to (perhaps especially when we try not to). Regarding Batista, he was in fact truly bad for some of his people; so far, I don’t know of any truly bad thing that has been established about Trump except for his persona, which as Kathleen Parker noticed, seems incapable of lying despite the brutishness. Let me just add that I’m very glad not to have to listen to him for a living.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 1:51 pm
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    And they aren’t attacking Trump’s style in isolation so much as analyzing what is really not going all that well in the White House. Mona and Jay find the man’s skills and character completely unsuited to his office, Yet it’s worth pointing out that these two commentators have praised Trump on multiple occasions, whatever his lack of polish.

    I don’t think either would claim to have praised Trump for anything, and I’m certainly not asking or expecting them to. “Happily surprised” and wanting to say so is how I would describe their multiple congratulations to the president. Never meant to imply that their criticisms are not legitimate. Merely that they tend to do the us/them thing just as their own critics do–at least, that’s the sense I get at times, and I happily listen to every podcast.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 2:14 pm
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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):
    What I was trying to get at (clearly very poorly), is that the claim seems to link all push-back on behalf of Trump or the Trump presidency as an obviously hypocritical meme, and I just don’t think that’s right.

    You are absolutely right that it’s unfair to dismiss all pushback against Trump criticism as invalid. I think in the context of the podcast, however, that the commentators were saying it is a bit tiresome to excuse Trump for all shortcomings simply because he’s not someone else.

    So, yeah. Each group has sensitivity/bias/etc. Absolutely.

    I think the best course of action is always to judge the man’s performance as president in the context of day-to-day results, whether or not one would like to have him over for dinner.

    When getting news about that presidency, one should turn to reporters/commentators that have some credibility.

    Jay and Mona are very intellectually consistent, so I find their points of view useful. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t bother with their podcast.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 2:14 pm
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    Trump deserves criticism. It doesn’t have anything to do with Hillary Clinton.

    Agree one hundred percent.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 2:20 pm
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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):
    I don’t think either would claim to have praised Trump for anything, and I’m certainly not asking or expecting them to. “Happily surprised” and wanting to say so is how I would describe their multiple congratulations to the president. Never meant to imply that their criticisms are not legitimate. Merely that they tend to do the us/them thing just as their own critics do–at least, that’s the sense I get at times, and I happily listen to every podcast.

    Okay. That’s fair enough.

    Personally, I don’t ever want to be in an “us v them” state of mind despite admitting I also dislike President Trump for the most part. What common ground do I have with people who voted for him? I disliked Clinton, too, and I would really, truly, seriously applaud if government got smaller and less powerful under the Donald.

    I also respect the election. I barely ever get my choice, so people who wear those “not my president” t-shirts are exceedingly tiresome to me.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 2:21 pm
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    rod

    do we have to listen to this for the next four years? we get it: you don’t like him.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 4:44 pm
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    rod (View Comment):
    do we have to listen to them go on and on for the next four years? we get it: you don’t like him.

    Looks like we do, Rod. They’ve been at it since November; over six months now, with no signs of letting up. (sigh)

    Especially when one of us reminds them that we could have had Hillary instead. They really seems to set their Hair On Fire.

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    • May 20, 2017 at 4:47 pm
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    The fact we are having this discussion just proves that the media non-stop pecking at anything/everything Trump does is having the desired effect. There is absolutely nothing Trump or any other Republican President could do that the media would not exploit and distort. If Trump didn’t say anything that would be blown to catastrophic proportions, if he Twitters – that’s attacked, if he responds – that’s attacked. I think we are missing the point, Trumps bad appearances are a creation of the medias distortions. There has not been a day that I can recall in the past eight months where the front page of most news outlets doesn’t lead with a “What’s wrong with Trump today” headline.

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    • May 21, 2017 at 8:56 am
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    I am still waiting for what Trump has done that is so bad, other than his lack of class.

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    • May 21, 2017 at 10:39 am
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I am still waiting for what Trump has done that is so bad, other than his lack of class.

    Come on, Bryan. Everyone with a brain knows that “or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” means catsup on steak. Since he hasn’t done anything else deserving of a discussion of impeachment, it must be for that.

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    • May 21, 2017 at 10:52 am
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    I’m not talking about impeachment. I think that’s a massive overreach, but I remember quite well the media’s drawing of Reagan and both Bushes, which were silly caricatures, too. Yet I did not assess them how I assess Trump.

    Before you yell “classist!” at me, Reagan came from a much, much poorer background than the Donald. (I think Trump is partially a caricature of blue collar people… many of whom have a lot more manners, actually.)

    So why do I have these different impressions of three Republican presidents who were all attacked by the media?

    Reagan and the Bushes and Romney, for that matter, had some credibility with me.

    Who knows what Trump does or doesn’t do? What he thinks or doesn’t think? When he’s honest or when he’s not?

    He lost the “benefit of the doubt” way back when he said Ted’s father was involved with assassinating JFK. The NY Times didn’t make that up.

    So, as far as all that goes, Trump wove the impression of him that I have of him all on his own, and he has insulted my intelligence often by pretending that such talk is a) not crazy, b) helpful, c) and not built on some blatantly false reality that exists only in his own mind.

    I don’t trust people who lie constantly to me, and I don’t see why I should.

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    • May 21, 2017 at 2:49 pm
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  24. Profile photo of Bryan G. Stephens Reagan

    Classism does not always have to do with the means someone was raised with. In fact, people who started low and go high often end up less tolerant of those with low class behaviors.

    All people running for office lie. If you think Trump is not worth it because he lies, again, how much truth do you think you would be getting from HRC?

    To not be worth it is to be worse than HRC. That is hardly a stirring defense of Trump. It is also not the same as saying Castro was better than someone else. Trump is not abridging people’s freedoms. We cannot say the same for the last guy in office.

    But hey, if you want to join the group working to take Trump out, and damage the GOP further, go for it.

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    • May 21, 2017 at 4:21 pm
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I don’t trust people who lie constantly to me, and I don’t see why I should.

    Hi Lois, please allow me to interrupt.

    President Trump was elected on November 9th, 136 days ago. If Trump is lying “constantly” to you, surely you can list ten “lies” he has told you.

    After all, that is only one lie every 2 weeks, a far cry from “constantly”. I’m sure you can come up with 10 lies for us. Differences of opinion do not count.

    Please don’t mention the crowd size one. This was Trump’s view that day, and it is easy to understand why he feels the crowd was just as big as Obama. Just give us 10 others.

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    • May 21, 2017 at 5:33 pm
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    But hey, if you want to join the group working to take Trump out, and damage the GOP further, go for it.

    I have never once in any post anywhere on this site or elsewhere called for the impeachment or removal from office of Donald J. Trump. He’s the president, and he was elected fair and square, and I’m glad that some people rejoice at the quality of his leadership.

    But the fact of the matter is that Donald Trump lies blatantly about stupid s***, which makes it suuuuuuppppppeeeerrr easy for people like me to not believe much of anything at all that comes out his mouth, and that is THE problem… not the media.

    So, by making this observation–that Donald Trump is a liar–you think I am undermining the GOP????? It’s pretty cool someone thinks I have that much power. 😀

    I mean, I called President Obama a liar all the time–a smooth one at that!–and he was elected twice.

    With a track record like that, you should hope I’m never on the Republican “side” again. 😉

    Geez.

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    • May 21, 2017 at 6:51 pm
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    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    Differences of opinion do not count.

    So.. like… when he says stupid s*** like:

    1. Ted Cruz’s father was with Lee Harvey Oswald or
    2. he [Trump] invented the phrase “prime the pump” or
    3. he’s cut “billions and billions” off the price tag on planes or
    4. (as a big cable news consumer) he had never heard of Wikileaks before 2016 or
    5. no one’s ever thought about why we fought the Civil War or
    6. there was no terrorism before NATO and NATO didn’t deal with terrorism before Trump or
    7. “I’ve done more than any other president in my first 100 days” or
    8. Korea was part of China or
    9. I’ll release my tax returns after the routine audit or
    10. Steve Bannon wasn’t part of his campaign until very late or
    11. Paul Manafort didn’t have a big part in his campaign or
    12. Obama’s wiretapping me… but… wait… I put that in “quotes” on Twitter or
    13. nobody knew healthcare would be complicated or
    14. we have trade deficits with ALL our trading partners or
    15. we had a smooth rollout of our travel ban or
    16. I won the election in a landslide and the popular vote if you took out all illegal voters or, or, or

    …these are all opinions right? Not lies?

    That’s like saying when President Obama said everyone could keep their healthcare, he was just mistaken about how healthcare worked. (See #13.)

    Now imagine a middle-aged woman with the power to undermine the GOP shrugging on her couch.

    Then let’s think about how we can find some common ground. I want the country to do well even though I simply see the president differently than you do. And trust me. I’d be thrilled to be wrong about him. Thrilled.

    I suspect Mona and Jay would be thrilled, too.

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    • May 21, 2017 at 7:24 pm
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    Differences of opinion do not count.

    So.. like… when he says stupid s*** like:

    1. Ted Cruz’s father was with Lee Harvey Oswald or
    2. he [Trump] invented the phrase “prime the pump” or
    3. he’s cut “billions and billions” off the price tag on planes or
    4. (as a big cable news consumer) he had never heard of Wikileaks before 2016 or
    5. no one’s ever thought about why we fought the Civil War or
    6. there was no terrorism before NATO and NATO didn’t deal with terrorism before Trump or
    7. “I’ve done more than any other president in my first 100 days” or
    8. Korea was part of China or
    9. I’ll release my tax returns after the routine audit or
    10. Steve Bannon wasn’t part of his campaign until very late or
    11. Paul Manafort didn’t have a big part in his campaign or
    12. Obama’s wiretapping me… but… wait… I put that in “quotes” on Twitter or
    13. nobody knew healthcare would be complicated or
    14. we have trade deficits with ALL our trading partners or
    15. we had a smooth rollout of our travel ban or
    16. I won the election in a landslide and the popular vote if you took out all illegal voters or, or, or

    …these are all opinions right? Not lies?

    That’s like saying when President Obama said everyone could keep their healthcare, he was just mistaken about how healthcare worked. (See #13.)

    Now imagine a middle-aged woman with the power to undermine the GOP shrugging on her couch.

    Then let’s think about how we can find some common ground. I want the country to do well even though I simply see the president differently than you do. And trust me. I’d be thrilled to be wrong about him. Thrilled.

    I suspect Mona and Jay would be thrilled, too.

    I don’t believe you. If replacing Scalia with another conservative instead of a hard left liberal is not a good enough win for you and Mona and Jay, then there is nothing Trump can do to make you happy.

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    • May 22, 2017 at 3:10 am
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I don’t believe you. If replacing Scalia with another conservative instead of a hard left liberal is not a good enough win for you and Mona and Jay, then there is nothing Trump can do to make you happy.

    Okay. Don’t believe me then.

    I don’t believe you when you say that you’re not a hard core Trump supporter who will get behind him at all costs (including the destruction of the GOP), though there’s absolutely no animosity in this observation.

    (Picture again here a middle aged woman, now in PJs with a cup of morning coffee, shrugging again from her couch.)

    I just still don’t understand why you care so much about this particular podcast that you know is going to be so counter to your opinion.

    Mona and Jay do find Trump unfit, though they’ve praised the fact that he appointed a good judge, as has every other person on this website. There’s just not much of a bridge between them and you on the “Does the one action that any other Republican would have gotten done mean that it was worth this man winning the primary?” question. (That’s where the raw still is, you see. Whatever you say, no one wanted Hillary Clinton.)

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    Its kinda sad to see this podcast fall the way it has. This was one of the reasons I joined Ricochet, but now I wont need to listen anymore.

    Yes, Gorsuch was worth it. He’ll keep the court on an even keel for (hopefully) decades to come. Try to bend them back to original- ism. If another seat opens up – then the court can be turned back even faster…

    Even if Trump leaves office in 2020 accomplishing nothing else – this will be almost be enough. In fairness the events of the last month have really reduced my hopes for the Trump administration accomplishing – well much of anything.

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