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  1. Douglas Inactive

    About the name, fellas…. whew, glad you came to your senses on that. The replacement name was, shall we say, less than inspired.

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    • September 21, 2016, at 9:20 PM PDT
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  2. Merrijane Inactive

    My teenagers aren’t quite so mean to me, but I do know that feeling of invisibility. After I’ve made them the center of my lives for so long, it’s hard to realize I’m not the center of theirs! But I guess that’s how it is for all parents—have to step back and let them do what they do.

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    • September 22, 2016, at 12:07 PM PDT
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  3. Douglas Inactive

    Merrijane:My teenagers aren’t quite so mean to me, but I do know that feeling of invisibility. After I’ve made them the center of my lives for so long, it’s hard to realize I’m not the center of theirs! But I guess that’s how it is for all parents—have to step back and let them do what they do.

    There’s a great song by Spacehog about getting older (and having teenagers). “Oh, Dinosaur”.

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    • September 23, 2016, at 10:41 AM PDT
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  4. J Climacus Member

    With respect to the argument that Toby made that Americans are far more likely to be killed in a car accident than by a terrorist bombing or shooting, and therefore we should not be worried about taking in Muslim immigrants:

    Of course Americans are far more likely to be killed in car accidents, because they spend far more time in cars than they do around Muslims. They are also far more likely to be killed in cars than to contract the zika virus, or smallpox, or be stung by a killer bee. It doesn’t follow that any concerns about the latter are unreasonable; the point is to address these possibilities before they become a problem.

    In the U.K. a child’s chances of being captured for sexual exploitation are small, because all of the U.K. isn’t Rotherham. That is no argument for allowing a Rotherham to come into existence in the first place, let alone to encourage expanding the Muslim presence in Britain.

    Trump’s skittle analogy wasn’t apt – but that’s because a bad skittle doesn’t metastasize into further bad skittles or become the seed for an entire community of bad skittles.

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    • September 24, 2016, at 5:38 AM PDT
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  5. Anamcara Member

    Toby,

    The Skittles analogy nails the problem as one of discernment. As my hand hovers over the bowl of treats, which ones do I choose? Trump is calling for extremely careful screening. It must be noted too thatyour estimate of 100 Skittles in the bowl means 97 are delights. Not the observation of a foaming-at- the-mouth bigot. Let’s see, in Hillary’s “basket of deplorables” there are zip, 0delights. Of course, she is not speaking of refugees, only American voters, but I won’t get picky. 

    You did own that your conclusion on the 3to11 proportion was abit overblown, but I think it tends toward a literal interpretation of a metaphor. I was just reading Hopkins who says, for example, that the grandeur of God flame(s) out like shining from shook foil…Is he saying that God is just a piece of tin foil? Hardly.

     Also, the comment about car crashes is just plain bogus. Yes, many people die in cars, but we call them accidents. In Nice, we saw a van intentionally used as a weapon. A big and obvious difference. We know about this in the US. In the couple years before September 11, 2001 there were perhaps a million immigrants to the US. Among them there were 11 who, on one morning, managed to kill 3,000 Americans and injure 6,000. Are you suggesting we just sigh and say, “Oh well, people die in plane crashes everyday”?

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    • September 26, 2016, at 1:54 PM PDT
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