We’re now officially through the halfway point of the final season of Game of Thrones, and well, it’s only going OK at best. At least that’s the opinion of our intrepid GoT experts, James Delingpole and Toby Young. They break down all the mistake, misfires, and milestones in this week’s episode.

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There are 14 comments.

  1. Listener

    Spoiler…

     

    I’m pretty upset they built up this threat of the Night Walkers and the Night King for 7 seasons. Setting up Bran and Jon as some sort of integral part for his defeat, only to undercut all of it with Arya. None of it felt earned. I don’t think the writers had any ideas for what to do with that story, so they decided to just kill half of the North’s army in order to get back to the political drama. Unless there’s still something planned for Bran, what was the point of that entire saga?

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    • May 7, 2019, at 3:46 PM PDT
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    Otterton (View Comment):

    Spoiler…

     

    I’m pretty upset they built up this threat of the Night Walkers and the Night King for 7 seasons. Setting up Bran and Jon as some sort of integral part for his defeat, only to undercut all of it with Arya. None of it felt earned. I don’t think the writers had any ideas for what to do with that story, so they decided to just kill half of the North’s army in order to get back to the political drama. Unless there’s still something planned for Bran, what was the point of that entire saga?

    To be fair, it’s very clear GRRM has no idea what to do either. He’s been stuck for almost 8 year now. I think I actually learned more about the White Walkers from the show than the 5 books. Not to say that OP Arya doesn’t annoy me. 

    Seems like the showrunners made a decision and picked the Iron Throne fight over the Great War. I’m guessing they thought Cersei is a more interesting villain than one that doesn’t speak. Because you know an all-out elemental war wouldn’t be amazing or anything…

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    • May 7, 2019, at 8:05 PM PDT
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  3. Coolidge

    Why is it showing the podcast for S2, Ep. 4?

    • #3
    • May 8, 2019, at 8:25 AM PDT
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  4. Member

    Like.

    • #4
    • May 8, 2019, at 9:11 AM PDT
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  5. Member

    “Tobes” and an f-bomb within the first ten minutes!

    Superb.

    • #5
    • May 8, 2019, at 3:32 PM PDT
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  6. Coolidge

    As soon as Weiss/Benioff ran out of the rich dialogue and deep characterizations, they proved themselves as only capable of exposition and tropes. Tyrion’s become an idiot, Varys is a plot device who hasn’t had a piece of information in 4 seasons, etc.

    Bang on about the “army of the dead” and “how did they have bodies to burn”

    • #6
    • May 9, 2019, at 7:57 AM PDT
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    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    As soon as Weiss/Benioff ran out of the rich dialogue and deep characterizations, they proved themselves as only capable of exposition and tropes. Tyrion’s become an idiot, Varys is a plot device who hasn’t had a piece of information in 4 seasons, etc.

    Bang on about the “army of the dead” and “how did they have bodies to burn”

    Honestly, I think they’ve lost their passion for the project and just want to be done and move on. I don’t know why though. I would want a show that defines my career to end well. In the seasons before season 7, they proved to me there were tons of things they did better than the books. In fact all of the following dialogues were not even in the books: all the conversations between Cersei and Robert Baratheon, all the conversations between Varys and Littlefinger, all the scenes between Arya and Tywin, and the entirety of Hardhome. Characters like Shae, Bronn, and Robb Stark are way better fleshed out and actually become fully formed people in the show. Personally, I thought books 4 and 5 were huge messes and was hoping the show would scrap a lot of stuff and combine certain plot lines. They resolved the Sansa/Jon/retaking of Winterfell and Cersei/Margaery/High Sparrow plot lines really well. Dorne and Meereen were unfortunately terrible, but I’m pretty sure resolving Meereen and getting Dany to Westeros is the main reason why book 6 keeps getting delayed. So I know they can write dialogues and develop characters beyond the scope of the books, but it’s so clear from season 7 onward that they couldn’t wait to finish the story.

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    • May 9, 2019, at 9:51 AM PDT
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  8. Listener

    LC (View Comment):

    To be fair, it’s very clear GRRM has no idea what to do either. He’s been stuck for almost 8 year now. I think I actually learned more about the White Walkers from the show than the 5 books. Not to say that OP Arya doesn’t annoy me.

    Seems like the showrunners made a decision and picked the Iron Throne fight over the Great War. I’m guessing they thought Cersei is a more interesting villain than one that doesn’t speak. Because you know an all-out elemental war wouldn’t be amazing or anything…

    Yeah, makes sense. I haven’t read the books but it’s my understanding the Night King is still a myth that hasn’t made an appearance yet. So there was a lot original material the show runners needed to create. GRRM supposedly gave them a broad picture of how he wanted it to end. It’s crazy to me that it would just be the night walkers are defeated at Wintefell and it’s all about taking the throne from Cersei. There should’ve been something learned in the battle at Wintefell that would help them against Cersei at least.

    • #8
    • May 9, 2019, at 10:38 AM PDT
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  9. Thatcher

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Why is it showing the podcast for S2, Ep. 4?

    Because it is their second year of doing the podcasts, not the year of the show

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    • May 9, 2019, at 10:31 PM PDT
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    John Hanson (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Why is it showing the podcast for S2, Ep. 4?

    Because it is their second year of doing the podcasts, not the year of the show

    Correct! 

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    • May 10, 2019, at 9:09 AM PDT
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  11. Member

    I could not figure out why Sansa says to Tyrion she had been looking forward to seeing Cersei executed, as though this were suddenly not going to happen. Why? Because she’ll be incinerated instead? 

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    • May 10, 2019, at 11:23 AM PDT
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  12. Member

    Bronn! ugh. He’s just marked himself for assassination. That’s all.

    Jon’s going to die protecting Daenerys. That restores her claim to the throne and she can go on to be the breaker of chains. Cersei will be killed by Arya, who will, in turn, be killed by Jaime, but he will be killed by his ex-lover Brienne. Sansa will be left crying over her dead siblings and Tyrion will console her.

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    • May 10, 2019, at 11:29 AM PDT
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    milkchaser (View Comment):

     Cersei will be killed by Arya, who will, in turn, be killed by Jaime, but he will be killed by his ex-lover Brienne. 

    What…

     

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    • May 10, 2019, at 1:35 PM PDT
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    LC (View Comment):
    LC

    milkchaser (View Comment):

     Cersei will be killed by Arya, who will, in turn, be killed by Jaime, but he will be killed by his ex-lover Brienne. 

    What…

    OK, my guesses were way off! :-)

    • #14
    • May 12, 2019, at 8:42 PM PDT
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