Jim Geraghty of National Review and Greg Corombos of Radio America conclude their 2016 awards presentations with the biggest awards of all.  They unveil their choices for Person of the Year and Turncoat of the Year.  They also reveal their political resolutions for 2017.

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  1. Larry Koler Inactive
    Larry Koler
    @LarryKoler

    I listened to this because I wanted to see who would get the biggest turncoat. Jim Geraghty chose Ted Cruz? Really? Not Bill Kristol? Not Jeb Bush? Not the NeverTrump elites (NTe)?

    I guess one must ask: Turncoat to whom or against what?

    The worst you can say about Cruz is that he did some of the things that Trump did to him. How can a person be a turncoat if he never signed on? Surely John Kasich should also be considered if Ted’s convention non-endorsement/endorsement is what determines this in Geraghty’s mind.

    It’s extremely interesting that Greg Corombos chose for turncoats the people on the right (conservatives and/or Republicans) who voted for, supported, endorsed or campaigned for Hillary Clinton. He rightly points out that the attempt to convince people that Hillary was more conservative than Trump was a stupid move.

    The NTe movement people surely helped Clinton with her campaign ads and fight against Trump so they should be included in this, obviously.

    If a turncoat is someone who is a Republican (whatever flavor) but who fought against the nominee and spent considerable effort to damage him — that’s almost by definition a turncoat. Now, I realize that not all conservatives see themselves as Republicans but those who do and were part of the NTe movement should also qualify.

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  2. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    I am very, very disappointed to be named as a “Turncoat of the Year” by Greg Corombos.  This depreciates Mr. Corombos in my eyes.

    I was and am proudly “#NeverTrump.”  While I like his appointments so far (other than Steve Bannon), Trump’s crudeness, authoritarianism, and bullying disqualify him in my eyes.

    Our country has switched parties every eight years since 1952, with the sole exceptions of 1980 and 1988.  I am greatly saddened that the Republican Party has greatly become the “Party of Trump.”  We could have done so much better.  Suffering through 4 years of Hillary would have allowed for a real Republican to be elected in 2020.  Instead we nominated Trump.

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  3. goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    Larry Koler (View Comment):
    I listened to this because I wanted to see who would get the biggest turncoat. Jim Geraghty chose Ted Cruz? Really? Not Bill Kristol? Not Jeb Bush? Not the NeverTrump elites (NTe)?

    IMHO the biggest turncoat of all was the man we all supported four years ago –Mitt Romney. That one was the hardest to take, particularly because of his pernicious work behind the scenes in discouraging donor money and then the active recruitment of Evan Mcwhatever in Utah, all of which came after Trump had the necessary delegates for the nomination. I don’t have anything against the candidates who opposed Trump during the primaries as he gave as good as he got.

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  4. rod Inactive
    rod
    @rod

    You guys don’t cut anyone any slack except yourselves. As everyone was saying all year, this was not a conventional campaign, so why apply conventional wisdom in evaluating it?

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  5. goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    rod (View Comment):
    You guys don’t cut anyone any slack except yourselves. As everyone was saying all year, this was not a conventional campaign, so why apply conventional wisdom in evaluating it?

    Probably partly because we don’t have anything better to do with out time right now and partly because we’re just responding to the OP to entertain ourselves. Uh, what’s wrong with that?

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  6. Larry Koler Inactive
    Larry Koler
    @LarryKoler

    goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Larry Koler (View Comment):
    I listened to this because I wanted to see who would get the biggest turncoat. Jim Geraghty chose Ted Cruz? Really? Not Bill Kristol? Not Jeb Bush? Not the NeverTrump elites (NTe)?

    IMHO the biggest turncoat of all was the man we all supported four years ago –Mitt Romney. That one was the hardest to take, particularly because of his pernicious work behind the scenes in discouraging donor money and then the active recruitment of Evan Mcwhatever in Utah, all of which came after Trump had the necessary delegates for the nomination. I don’t have anything against the candidates who opposed Trump during the primaries as he gave as good as he got.

    I agree that he was bad — but worse than Kristol or Jeb? It’s not easy for me to parse that finely. But, it sounds like you know more than I do about what Mitt did– so thanks for the info.

    I got into the Republican Party in 1980 (I voted for Carter in 1976) and I did so mostly because of the two party’s differences on the Soviet Union. Reagan stated “They lose, we win” as his strategy pronouncement. The Dems were either pro-Soviet (there were a few of these) or appeasers and happy-talk people.

    I learned that the Dems were being slowly taken over by the Commies and the leftists and other assorted anti-American types. When 1994 came the Dems lost their southern voting bloc in the Congress and the southern states finally starting having two parties again. This is when things really got bad in their party. They were not held back anymore from worries about their coalition — the sky was the limit. Hillary represented the worst aspects of this Democratic Party tilt to anti-Americanism and leftist ideology. We had to beat her and the Dems. It didn’t matter who was our nominee. That’s all the thought that was necessary about this last election.

    The NTe movement was comprised of exactly the type of people who we shouldn’t trust to guide the nation. They didn’t see things the same way we did and they have to go. No purge — just replace and sideline this contingent inside our coalition.

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  7. Larry Koler Inactive
    Larry Koler
    @LarryKoler

    rod (View Comment):
    You guys don’t cut anyone any slack except yourselves. As everyone was saying all year, this was not a conventional campaign, so why apply conventional wisdom in evaluating it?

    You were referring to Geraghty and Corombos, weren’t you?

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  8. CeCelia Squires Inactive
    CeCelia Squires
    @ceceliasquires

    Jim’s comments concerning Sen. Ted Cruz sounds like East coast snubness! JG can’t hold a candle to Ted! Jim and Greg just won my Turncoat award! Suggest they stay out of Texas!

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  9. Paul Dougherty Member
    Paul Dougherty
    @PaulDougherty

    It hurts when they boo.

    It would be nice if someone articulated a clear plan to get even with all the enemies and doubters (redundancy alert) of our dear leader (APBUHMAGA) rather than incessantly grousing about them.

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  10. Michae1803 Inactive
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    @Michae1803

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    We could have done so much better. Suffering through 4 years of Hillary would have allowed for a real Republican to be elected in 2020. Instead we nominated Trump.

    Sorry Gary, but you are delusional. There would be very little chance of a Republican Party surviving 4 years with Hillary. The illegals all would have been given the vote.  Voting fraud would have been sufficiently widespread to tilt future elections to the dems, and the corrupt DOJ  would continue as an arm of the dem party. You sound more like a Romney elitist.

     

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  11. Larry Koler Inactive
    Larry Koler
    @LarryKoler

    Michae1803 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    We could have done so much better. Suffering through 4 years of Hillary would have allowed for a real Republican to be elected in 2020. Instead we nominated Trump.

    Sorry Gary, but you are delusional. There would be very little chance of a Republican Party surviving 4 years with Hillary. The illegals all would have been given the vote. Voting fraud would have been sufficiently widespread to tilt future elections to the dems, and the corrupt DOJ would continue as an arm of the dem party. You sound more like a Romney elitist.

    Yes, Gary represents what most NeverTrumpers believed in their hearts whether they could admit it or not. At least Gary follows the logic of spending 80-90% of their effort during the campaign attacking Trump (which helped Hillary) and just pro-forma (but legitimate) attacks against Hillary. It’s clear that many people on our side thought we could weather the 4 or 8 more years of consolidation of the hard left against the rest of us. I agree with you, Michael, things would get much worse.

    I didn’t want Mitt Romney during the 2012 election but I withheld my criticism of him once he had the nomination sewed up because I didn’t want to jinx or affect the party’s need to stand behind him to give him the best chance. What we have witnessed this last year was unprecedentedly in support of preventing Trump from winning and living with the results of Hillary.

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