Rob Long is in for Jim again today and he and Greg are tackling three crazy martinis. First, they wade into the fight over the Theodore Roosevelt statue outside New York City’s Museum of Natural History, and Rob offers a deal to those who want to tear it down. They also discuss the drama surrounding the supposed resignation of U.S. Attorney Geoffery Berman, who then said he had not resigned and would not leave, only to be fired the next day. And they weigh in on Brett Favre likening Colin Kaepernick to Pat Tillman because both gave up NFL careers for the causes they believed in.

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  1. Leslie Watkins Inactive
    Leslie Watkins Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    If they’re going to demolish all forms of homage to slavery and America’s racist history, the first thing to go should be the Democratic Party (hat tip to a black commenter on Twitter).

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    • June 22, 2020, at 1:39 PM PDT
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  2. Kim K. Member
    Kim K. Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Wasn’t Nathan Bedford Forrest actually a very good general (cavalry stuff? – haven’t The Civil War for a few years) but a very bad person in that he helped start the KKK?

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    • June 22, 2020, at 2:01 PM PDT
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  3. Arahant Member

    Kim K. (View Comment):

    Wasn’t Nathan Bedford Forrest actually a very good general (cavalry stuff? – haven’t The Civil War for a few years) but a very bad person in that he helped start the KKK?

    Yes, he was one of the best generals in the war, especially when one considers how often his superior officers sabotaged him. He made bricks without straw. Execrable human being, but great leader and general.

    • #3
    • June 22, 2020, at 4:38 PM PDT
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  4. kedavis Member

    re: Rob’s comments about how tragedy can lead to better ratings, does this mean Biden wins because his first wife and son both died?

    • #4
    • June 22, 2020, at 4:57 PM PDT
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  5. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    We are beset on all sides by evil Men. 

    I guess Rob is predicting Trump losing. 

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    • June 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM PDT
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  6. kedavis Member

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    We are beset on all sides by evil Men.

    I guess Rob is predicting Trump losing.

    On the other hand, they ALL predicted Trump losing in ’16.

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    • June 22, 2020, at 6:31 PM PDT
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  7. Richard Easton Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Kim K. (View Comment):

    Wasn’t Nathan Bedford Forrest actually a very good general (cavalry stuff? – haven’t The Civil War for a few years) but a very bad person in that he helped start the KKK?

    Yes, he was one of the best generals in the war, especially when one considers how often his superior officers sabotaged him. He made bricks without straw. Execrable human being, but great leader and general.

    Forrest has 500 men when he captured Gen Streight and 1700 men (he snookered him into thinking he had a much larger force). Sherman said, “That devil must be hunted down even if costs 10,000 lives and bankrupts the treasury.” He was the best cavalry commander in the Civil War. That’s not a failed general. Sigh

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    • June 22, 2020, at 7:33 PM PDT
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  8. Taras Coolidge

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Kim K. (View Comment):

    Wasn’t Nathan Bedford Forrest actually a very good general (cavalry stuff? – haven’t The Civil War for a few years) but a very bad person in that he helped start the KKK?

    Yes, he was one of the best generals in the war, especially when one considers how often his superior officers sabotaged him. He made bricks without straw. Execrable human being, but great leader and general.

    Forrest has 500 men when he captured Gen Streight and 1700 men (he snookered him into thinking he had a much larger force). Sherman said, “That devil must be hunted down even if costs 10,000 lives and bankrupts the treasury.” He was the best cavalry commander in the Civil War. That’s not a failed general. Sigh

    Near the end of his life he ordered the Klan disbanded and publicly advocated friendship between blacks and whites.

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    • June 22, 2020, at 10:48 PM PDT
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  9. Taras Coolidge

    Here’s what Rob Long actually said about Forrest: “In Memphis for years they had a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was an unsuccessful, incredibly bad military leader in the Civil War …”

    Remember, when Rob Long substitutes for Jim Geraghty, he’s always wrong. This is a major boner.

    Of course, when Rob Long isn’t substituting for Jim Geraghty, he’s mostly wrong then, too. Unless the subject is TV sitcoms, his only area of expertise.

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    • June 22, 2020, at 11:25 PM PDT
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  10. Arahant Member

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    He was the best cavalry commander in the Civil War. That’s not a failed general. Sigh

    Exactly. Both Grant and Sherman had great respect for him. Not bad for a fellow who enlisted as a private soldier at the beginning of the war. From there, he wound up as a lieutenant general.

    • #10
    • June 22, 2020, at 11:43 PM PDT
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  11. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Taras (View Comment):

    Here’s what Rob Long actually said about Forrest: “In Memphis for years they had a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was an unsuccessful, incredibly bad military leader in the Civil War …”

    Remember, when Rob Long substitutes for Jim Geraghty, he’s always wrong. This is a major boner.

    Of course, when Rob Long isn’t substituting for Jim Geraghty, he’s mostly wrong then, too. Unless the subject is TV sitcoms, his only area of expertise.

    Forrest is a bad general to Rob because he fought on the wrong side.

     

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    • June 23, 2020, at 2:58 AM PDT
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  12. Bishop Wash Member

    Rob talked about how Princeton’s Woodrow Wilson school should lose its name but he didn’t talk about the other college name change suggestion that was big over the weekend. Gene wrote about it here. Jesse Kelly points out that Yale was founded by a slave trader and therefore must be renamed. He also called for all Yale alumni to publicly apologize or be fired from their jobs. 

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    • June 23, 2020, at 5:32 AM PDT
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  13. Columbo Member

    Taras (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Kim K. (View Comment):

    Wasn’t Nathan Bedford Forrest actually a very good general (cavalry stuff? – haven’t The Civil War for a few years) but a very bad person in that he helped start the KKK?

    Yes, he was one of the best generals in the war, especially when one considers how often his superior officers sabotaged him. He made bricks without straw. Execrable human being, but great leader and general.

    Forrest has 500 men when he captured Gen Streight and 1700 men (he snookered him into thinking he had a much larger force). Sherman said, “That devil must be hunted down even if costs 10,000 lives and bankrupts the treasury.” He was the best cavalry commander in the Civil War. That’s not a failed general. Sigh

    Near the end of his life he ordered the Klan disbanded and publicly advocated friendship between blacks and whites.

    But the Klan had a revival under democrat Woodrow Wilson …

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    • June 23, 2020, at 5:45 AM PDT
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  14. Taras Coolidge

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Here’s what Rob Long actually said about Forrest: “In Memphis for years they had a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was an unsuccessful, incredibly bad military leader in the Civil War …”

    Remember, when Rob Long substitutes for Jim Geraghty, he’s always wrong. This is a major boner.

    Of course, when Rob Long isn’t substituting for Jim Geraghty, he’s mostly wrong then, too. Unless the subject is TV sitcoms, his only area of expertise.

    Forrest is a bad general to Rob because he fought on the wrong side.

     

    Seriously, you have to wonder where Long got such a strange idea. He’s not merely ignorant about Forrest, he is actively misinformed. And, disgracefully, Greg Corombos went long with it.

    Also, since when is Woodrow Wilson held responsible for resegregating the military? To the best of my knowledge, when he became President, the military had not yet been desegregated.

    It’s the Federal bureaucracy that Wilson resegregated.

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    • June 23, 2020, at 8:09 AM PDT
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  15. Lois Lane Coolidge

    I like this podcast, but if you guys are looking for them to know much about the Civil War, they don’t. They just… don’t.

    • #15
    • June 23, 2020, at 9:31 AM PDT
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  16. Richard Easton Member

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    I like this podcast, but if you guys are looking for them to know much about the Civil War, they don’t. They just… don’t.

    Don’t know much about history…

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    • June 23, 2020, at 9:36 AM PDT
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  17. Boss Mongo Member

    Not to pile on, but let me pile on.

    Forrest is a badass. In my area of the military, if you didn’t study N.B. Forrest, you were doing yourself and your men a disservice.

    Forrest and Sherman were the last to General Officers to leave the field after the bloodbath called Shiloh. The devastation was such that it changed the way both men conducted warfare for the rest of the Civil War.

    Sherman made his operational technique the use of maneuver, as oppose to the Napoleonic mass formations that was preferred by US Generals at that time.

    Forrest became amazingly adept at military deception (MILDEC), PSYOPS, and violence of action.

    Too, one can say Forrest was “a good general, but a bad man.” Fair enough, But I would posit that he was “a good general, and a very complex man.”

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    • June 23, 2020, at 10:04 AM PDT
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  18. Arahant Member

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    I like this podcast, but if you guys are looking for them to know much about the Civil War, they don’t. They just… don’t.

    Yep, don’t even know that the proper name is The War for Southern Independence (although I still award points for War of Northern Aggression).

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    • June 23, 2020, at 11:33 AM PDT
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  19. Arahant Member

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):
    Too, one can say Forrest was “a good general, but a bad man.” Fair enough, But I would posit that he was “a good general, and a very complex man.”

    Agreed.

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):
    Forrest became amazingly adept at military deception (MILDEC), PSYOPS, and violence of action.

    And some of those ops were hilarious to consider what he got away with. Big brass ones, Brother, big stinkin’ brass ones, and no doubt about it.

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    • June 23, 2020, at 11:35 AM PDT
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  20. Richard Easton Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    I like this podcast, but if you guys are looking for them to know much about the Civil War, they don’t. They just… don’t.

    Yep, don’t even know that the proper name is The War for Southern Independence (although I still award points for War of Northern Aggression).

    How about the late unpleasantness.

    • #20
    • June 23, 2020, at 12:52 PM PDT
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  21. Arahant Member

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    How about the late unpleasantness.

    That works, too, as does War between the States. But if you start talking about the Civil War, I’ll assume you’re talking about Cavaliers and Roundheads.

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    • June 23, 2020, at 1:20 PM PDT
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  22. Taras Coolidge

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    How about the late unpleasantness.

    That works, too, as does War between the States. But if you start talking about the Civil War, I’ll assume you’re talking about Cavaliers and Roundheads.

    Alas, you were born 300 years too late.

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    • June 23, 2020, at 2:12 PM PDT
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  23. Arahant Member

    Taras (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    How about the late unpleasantness.

    That works, too, as does War between the States. But if you start talking about the Civil War, I’ll assume you’re talking about Cavaliers and Roundheads.

    Alas, you were born 300 years too late.

    Who says? I was there, man. (At least until the capture of Limerick back in ’51.)

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    • June 23, 2020, at 2:34 PM PDT
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  24. Taras Coolidge

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    How about the late unpleasantness.

    That works, too, as does War between the States. But if you start talking about the Civil War, I’ll assume you’re talking about Cavaliers and Roundheads.

    Alas, you were born 300 years too late.

    Who says? I was there, man. (At least until the capture of Limerick back in ’51.)

    I understand a man from Nantucket was involved.

    • #24
    • June 23, 2020, at 7:55 PM PDT
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  25. Arahant Member

    Taras (View Comment):
    I understand a man from Nantucket was involved.

    No. Not really.

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    • June 23, 2020, at 9:19 PM PDT
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