David French of National Review and talk show host Greg Knapp reflect on the Mueller report 24 hours after its release to the public. They feel good that Trump is not guilty of a criminal conspiracy with the Russian government but David is struck by the vivid and deeply disturbing picture the report creates of a president who is not only an absolute, relentless serial liar surrounded in turn by thoroughly untruthful people, but also a president who is highly disorganized and profoundly weak. They are also perplexed that the Washington Post continues to malign Ben Shapiro.

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  1. Bishop Wash Member
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    DJ EJ (View Comment):

    The episode description tells me I don’t need to listen. Unfortunately for David French, no one is as interested in David French’s unending moral outrage of Trump as David French is. If I wanted a legalistic Calvinist (redundant I know) sermon, I’d move to 16th century Geneva.

    Your description of French is why he’s acquired the nickname Pharisee French on Twitter. 

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  2. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    That’s why Monday’s episode was interesting. Mr. French started out talking about the Masters and Tiger’s redemption. Tiger is allowed to change but not Trump. No second chance for the Orange Menace. 

    It is a matter of lower expectations for a black golfer than a president of the United States, not an uncommon sin.

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  3. La Tapada Member
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    I wonder what opinion David French has of Mike Pence…

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  4. Taras Coolidge
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Trump tells it like it is. It is just that folks outside flyover country – including David French – lack the filters to understand when Trump is telling it like it is.

    And French repeats the canard that Trump’s people ignore Trump’s orders. The only source for that is “unnamed sources” from the mainstream media. (For example French repeats the silly claim that people remove documents from Trump’s desk. That is another unsourced claim from the same media caught lying about Trump’s collusion. That is credulity on the level of a grown man believing in the literal existence of the Tooth Fairy.)

    How about maintaining the credibility of Three-Martini Lunch by choosing less credulous hosts?

    Tell the truth — is this satire? Did you deliberately set out to craft a perfect simulation of how the Left believes people on the Right think and behave?

    Do you believe all the anti-Trump stuff the press has been pushing for the last two years? If you do, how strange.

    What’s strange is your inclusion of the word “all” in your question.

    I’m not kidding. Why would you include it? Surely you must know how disingenuous that is. It’s a rhetorical device I first noticed by the Left (e.g., “Oh, so you’re saying that all racism has been eradicated in this country?! That there are no racists left?! LOL!!!”) but it has been increasingly co-opted by the Right as well. Which rankles me even more.

    Because, as Dennis Prager is fond of saying, “Nothing is all.”

    What’s more, I guarantee you that David French (the object of this exercise) doesn’t believe “all” of the anti-Trump propaganda, either.

    Remember, it’s David French who says, in this podcast, that “Trump lies all the time.“   Taken literally and ungenerously (the way Trump critics take his statements), that statement is itself a lie.  

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  5. milkchaser Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    He lies all of time, or, perhaps, simply exaggerates.

    An important distinction.

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  6. milkchaser Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    He isn’t formulating a lie and then stating it. He is just saying what he believes or wants to believe in the moment.

    That presumes that he kind of dumb and does not know what he is doing, but I think there is enough evidence to cast doubt on that (namely, his wealth and popularity). I don’t want to misinterpret Scott Adams, who wrote a book on Trump’s persuasive skills (Win Bigly), but he definitely asserts that Trump does what he does on purpose, because (like a salesman) his intent is to persuade rather than inform.

    Here is a hypothetical example: Trump says, “We’re gonna win big”. Doesn’t matter what just imagine some situation and Trump says “We’re gonna win big.” In the event, it turns out that we barely win. To people like French, the NeverTrumpers and all the people on the left who hate him, that is a lie. Not just a lie, but a LIE. And that’s baloney. Sure, Trump had no way of knowing the outcome, and he confidently stated what seemed like an outrageous prospect — and directionally, he was telling the truth. He just got the magnitude of it wrong.

    He is not the first president to do this. clinton used to make up numbers for his speeches. Nobody really cared. Were there 150,000 jobs created the previous month? Did he have a hand in creating them? clinton would say, “We created 200,00 jobs last month.” All the people in the press knew that he was lying. The whole idea that clinton was responsible for those somewhat mythical 200,000 jobs is also kind of a lie. But it is not an important one and directionally, it’s sort of true. But when Trump does this “OMG! He’s an effing LIAR!”

    Trump doesn’t care. And also, Trump did not lie under oath or suborn perjury. But you know who never, ever lied in any aspect of his presidency, neither in public nor in private? Jimmy Carter. Should I prefer Jimmy Carter (for whom I voted twice) to Donald Trump? I’m sorry, but I do not.

    The worst form of deception came from Trump’s predecessor, the Lying Liar of Liartown himself, Barack Obama. He lied directionally. He said the opposite of the truth, broke laws (e.g. Fast & Furious, Tea Party persecution, immigration law by EO) and pretended ignorance, and that is an evil kind of deception.

    So Trump’s kind of exaggeration I can take.

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  7. milkchaser Member
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    milkchaser (View Comment):

    We who believe that Trump is a straight shooter are wrong, according to French, because he knows better than we do. He lives, eats, breathes politics, therefore he is in a better position to judge. Frankly, that’s baloney.

    And you’re claiming that you (and those who agree with you) know better than David French.

    Yet every disagreement, by definition, consists of two parties who each think they know better than the other.

    Right?

    So I’m not sure what your insight is.

    Assertion:  a > b

    Counter assertion: !(a > b)

    Illogical conclusion: Oh, so you’re claiming that b > a.

    If that’s not clear, I’ll put in words. Hint: Consider equality.

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  8. milkchaser Member
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    Taras (View Comment):
    *I like to say, if there is such a thing as “white privilege”, then Asians have more of it than whites do!

    I am so sick of the blatantly racist phrase “white privilege”. What if we described your statement as “yellow privilege”. Then it becomes obvious that the reference to the slight tinge of one skin color vs another is an inapt adjective when used to describe a host of cultural and racial characteristics.

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  9. Taras Coolidge
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    milkchaser (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    *I like to say, if there is such a thing as “white privilege”, then Asians have more of it than whites do!

    I am so sick of the blatantly racist phrase “white privilege”. What if we described your statement as “yellow privilege”. Then it becomes obvious that the reference to the slight tinge of one skin color vs another is an inapt adjective when used to describe a host of cultural and racial characteristics.

     Similarly, it would be “problematic“ if we referred to “Jewish privilege“.

     Yet that is where progressives’ logic leads.

     And may explain why there is so much anti-Semitism in the black community.  

     After all, if socioeconomic differences between blacks and whites must be accounted for by racism and nothing else, then the still-larger differences between blacks and Jews (and blacks and Asians) must be “super-racism”. 

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  10. EHerring Coolidge
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    DJ EJ (View Comment):

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    This was a better podcast than yesterday’s. The Bad Martini was, in fact, fair. Trump’s failings are obvious. His lying unquestionable. In a lot of ways Trump is what the left claimed that Bush was, a puppet run by his underlings. Unquestionably Trump has some ideas of the way he wants the major things to go, but he is anything but a detail man. French does concede that a great deal of good has happened under Trump that would not have happened under Hillary. His concerns in today’s podcast are much more credible, and far less Calvinistic.

    Having said all of that, it will be nice to have Jim and Greg back onboard on Monday.

    I just couldn’t bring myself to listen to French today. Thanks for doing the yeoman’s work that I could not.

    It was tiresome. 

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  11. FredGoodhue Coolidge
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    That’s why Monday’s episode was interesting. Mr. French started out talking about the Masters and Tiger’s redemption. Tiger is allowed to change but not Trump. No second chance for the Orange Menace.

    It is a matter of lower expectations for a black golfer than a president of the United States, not an uncommon sin.

    I see no sign of Trump trying to change.  He’s has been and continues to be a terrible person.  Thankfully, his underlings are good people trying to do good things for this country.  Hillary is an even more terrible person, but that does not make Trump a good person.

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  12. Taras Coolidge
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    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    That’s why Monday’s episode was interesting. Mr. French started out talking about the Masters and Tiger’s redemption. Tiger is allowed to change but not Trump. No second chance for the Orange Menace.

    It is a matter of lower expectations for a black golfer than a president of the United States, not an uncommon sin.

    I see no sign of Trump trying to change. He’s has been and continues to be a terrible person. Thankfully, his underlings are good people trying to do good things for this country. Hillary is an even more terrible person, but that does not make Trump a good person.

    Dividing the world into “good“ people and people who are “not good“ is pretty childish. 

    Character is multidimensional.   In terms of political character, Trump’s stubborn loyalty to the people who elected him, and to the promises he made to them, is exemplary.  

    For example, it definitely puts him ahead of Bush I, who broke his “no new taxes“ pledge, and ridiculed the people who believed it.  Or, arguably, Bush II who, as a lame duck himself, seemed not to care what happened to the Republican Party after he left office. 

    Or John McCain, who spent much of his political career undermining his own party and the conservative cause — and, for that matter, with McCain-Feingold, the Constitution itself.   His last political act was, out of personal pique, to break the promise he had repeatedly made to his constituents, to vote against Obamacare. 

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