This week on the podcast known as GLoP, Rob Long, Jonah Goldberg, and John Podhoretz mull the lessons from the current Republican party bloodletting session, give a concise analysis of the finger-pointing, the selfless sacrifice of Dick Morris, Rob blames the voters but lauds The Life of Pi, Jonah wonders where the poop is, and John predicts the changes that Zucker will bring to CNN. 

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  1. Profile photo of Sean Inactive

    Gold PoLo

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    • November 30, 2012 at 8:59 am
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    I was sincerely hoping for the alternate title, Yeti.

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:01 am
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    Aaargh! The pain. For some reason none of the links seem to be working for me.

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:10 am
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    You have two different direct links. One is for episode 5 and the one for episode 6 doesn’t seem to work.

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:10 am
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    Sorry about that. Now fixed. 

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:13 am
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    Bummer. 

    I need my GLoP !

    I want my GLoP !

    I cannot make it without my GLoP !

    Please, Please, Please, Please, Please !!!

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:15 am
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    It’s fixed! I promise!

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:20 am
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    Rob… Where is Madame LaFarge when we need her?

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:26 am
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    raycon and lindacon – I agree totally – I needs this podcast! And this is how we get the culture back, or at least look like non-squares. We have to be funny, light-hearted, unserious when we can, and mocking always. When I played the podcast that discussed Lucasfilms, my daughters paid attention and were quite interested in what “our” three had to say. It’s vehicles like this that can get younger people involved in the conservative movement.

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:29 am
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    In home office listening to podcast. While it is a forensic discussion of the failed election, it is also funny! We are actually laughing while doing our work here in home office central…

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    • November 30, 2012 at 9:50 am
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    Blame this loss predominantly on the wimpy RINO squishes who gave us a RINO squish nominee, who won the nomination only by default by splitting the conservative vote, and then ran a squish campaign: timid, risk-averse, ever unwilling to take a clear stand on anything lest he alienate someone somewhere about something.

    Yes, Rob, I’m talking about you. Before burning anyone else, you should set your own hair on fire. You, Rob, were supremely confident the GOP finally had a nominee who wasn’t a gaffe machine. You made that foolish misobservation about Romney after Romney had asked “Wanna bet $10,000?”

    Romney didn’t just make gaffes. Romney was a gaffe!

    You, Rob, advocated the issue-avoiding “more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger” pitch. Romney’s issue-free campaign consequently lost voters on almost every issue, including issues he should have won. There’s nothing more cowardly than being afraid even to defend oneself!

    Did you enjoy the campaign debate on Obamacare?

    The guy selling himself as “jobs guy” couldn’t do the job.

    What’s the opposite of momentum? Mittmentum!

    The biggest mistake in politics is trying to avoid every single little mistake.

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    • November 30, 2012 at 10:28 am
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    Bad sound quality on Jonah’s audio around 17:00

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    • November 30, 2012 at 10:35 am
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    Thank God you didn’t choose Goldberg, Podhoretz, and Long, the acronym of which, GPL, is a far-left open-source license (that many of us in the open source world regret using; alas, it’s hard to remove after the fact).

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    • November 30, 2012 at 10:49 am
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    I told you so:

     

    The reason Romney does not fight is because he lacks principles to fightfor.

    For Romney, everything is negotiable. It can all be managed. It’s all about what’s practical. It’s all about getting the deal done. Insistence upon principles gets in the way of getting the deal done. Principles are for ideologues.

    Romney is embarrassingly uncomfortable talking about anything touching core defining principles. When he tries to fight, he says things that come across as insipid, even if they aren’t, because his argument is not grounded in principle.

    By “grounded,” I mean convictions that are so impressed into one’s second nature that intuition enlivens understanding.

    Yes, Romney can make a dead dry reasoned chain of argument, but he can’t inspire others to believe in what he’s saying because he does not really believe in it himself.

    Romney wants this election to be about who is the best manager.

    Romney is our Dukakis. What will be his tank moment?

    . . . .

    Obama has core political principles he’s willing to fight for tooth and nail.

    Romney doesn’t.

    Guess who wins that fight?

    Edited on July 6, 2012 at 10:44pm

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    • November 30, 2012 at 10:52 am
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    Re Podhoretz’s comment that Romney ran the best campaign that he could have – maybe – but he should have gone full negative on Obama. Negative campaigning is ugly, divisive, and horrible to behold. But it works.

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    • November 30, 2012 at 10:52 am
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    Sean: Gold PoLo · 2 hours ago

    I like GLOP. It is a perfect illustration of secondary meaning.

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    • November 30, 2012 at 11:49 am
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    I finally realized, listening to this podcast, that Rob Long might be the first ever RINO Country Club Squish Jacobin.

    “Don’t sprinkle the blood from the severed head of Stu Stevens on my red loafers, Citoyen! It will stain them brown!”

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    • December 1, 2012 at 1:41 am
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    More terrible audio quality from Jonah around 44:00 Hard to listen.

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    • December 1, 2012 at 12:18 pm
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    Jacksonian Dem: More terrible audio quality from Jonah around 44:00 Hard to listen. · 4 minutes ago

    Sorry about that. We did our best — Jonah was on some bad wifi. 

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    • December 1, 2012 at 12:27 pm
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    Sweet Jesus, Podhoretz. You say Stevens is delusional and than say Romney ran the best campaign he could have run. Could he have run a campaign as……….NOT himself? I liked that WaPo editorial and summarized exactly what I was thinking. People complaining that he was a RINO? Exactly what country do you think we’re living in? A moderate RINO was the only way we could make it even close. The people just re-elected Obama- a con man and an abject failure. Do you think running someone to his right from the primaries was the answer?

    Do you think swing voters were thinking: “I’m pulling the lever for Obama but had the GOP only run Bachmann I’d be on THEIR team…” Most people aren’t like us- either ideologically or intellectually. Blame the electorate and the media. Sorry, there’s no magic bullet. One of these things will happen and they’re largely out of our control: 1] Dem ideas are correct & the economy will robustly recover. 2] Dem ideas will fail, the media and they will blame GOP obstructionism and Dems will win again. 3] The GOP will reap the gains of Dem failure.

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    • December 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm
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    Astonishing: Blame this loss predominantly on the wimpy RINO squishes who gave us a RINO squish nominee, who won the nomination only by default by splitting the conservative vote, and then ran a squish campaign: timid, risk-averse, ever unwilling to take a clear stand on anything lest he alienate someone somewhere about something. · November 30, 2012 at 9:28am

    I agree completely, and I cannot believe you don’t have more than my 1 lonely “like” for this post. The RINO’s, many of them who had fingerprints all over this campaign, rose from bed the next day blaming conservatives. I really do like Rob but as the resident squish he is often a target of my ire. Often when I hear Rob speak I feel like Mike Murphy is off to the side whispering in his ear. 

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    • December 2, 2012 at 1:20 am
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    error post

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    • December 2, 2012 at 1:37 am
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    I have a couple questions. John says Jews don’t vote Repuplicans because 70 years ago Republicans were anti-semites. Weren’t Democrats also anti-semites 70 years ago? And in fact 70 years ago Democrats were pro lynching of blacks but they seem to have been able to overcome that. What have Democrats done to succeed with blacks? I think its because the left has created and perfected the art of identity politics, and Republicans are foolish enough to think they can play on that turf and win. The Republicans need to appeal to voters with our superior principles, and make the case that they should vote based not on skin color or their “lady parts” but on what is right for them and their families. We did not make that case this this time around and lost to one of the most beatable candidates to run.

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    • December 2, 2012 at 1:41 am
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    Brilliant.Romney could have made it but it was his campaign who should have been doing the full attack ads on Yiutube and via Comedy Central adverts absolutely skewering Obama. Easy to do with his many names and weird book autobiography, etc. i was saying this on Ricochet. Romney did not need to say it. I am on an iPad so am unable to link the Canadian PM’s ads he ran on his opponent. They were hokey. There were sentences typed out, saying who is Michael Ignatief, he is Russian, he has been out of the country for 25 years, he is a Harvard professor, how can he lead, how can you trust him? He is treating Canada as his pet project.

    These very basic sentences and voice overs were shown during Conedy Central (time well wasted) and I saw them because my older son who can vote had the TV on comedy central. They also showed up on Youtube around liberal videos. Why waste money on MSM advertising? And attack ads worked for Harper who is a geek (and an Evangelical Christian apparantly) and his wife rides a motor bike. He appears on TV shows like Obama. Great podcast.

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    • December 2, 2012 at 8:50 am
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    Wait a second. When did I say Romney was “electable?” For heaven’s sake, I’ve been the resident pessimist, saying he was going to lose, ie., not get elected. I’m fairly convinced he did better than any other candidate in the race, but those are the cards we all were dealt. I didn’t deal them. So as for making this my fault, find another RINO to blame. And if you think that Gingrich or Santorum or Bachmann or anyone else would have done better, I’m all ears. But that’s a steeply uphill argument.

    I guess I can be blamed for saying that Romney wasn’t a gaffe machine — which, compared to Palin or even George W. Bush he really wasn’t. That’s not quite the ringing endorsement you claim I made.

    But here’s my real question: instead of vague statements, which specific issues do you think our side should press hard next go-around? Taxes? Regulations? Immigration? War of Terrorism? Abortion? Gay marriage? I’m only a squish on the last two, and you’ve got another steep uphill argument that a) those are election winning issues and

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    • December 3, 2012 at 10:45 am
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    b) that losing general elections to maintain 100% ideological purity is a worthwhile objective. When Goldwater lost in 1964 America began to move forcefully and quickly to the left. Most of the bad stuff that’s happened happened right then. Sure, the New Deal was bad, but compared to Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society and the total capitulation of academia, the culture, and the political debate to the far-left that began election eve, 1964, I’d say it might have been better for a RINO to have won.

    Or, to put it this way, I’d rather have a RINO senator from Delaware than a Democrat.

    If that makes me the problem, then I guess I’m the problem. But it’s going to be a very small party. Maybe we can split the hotel ballroom charge with the Green Party when we each have our little conventions.

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    • December 3, 2012 at 10:49 am
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    Give Me Liberty
    Astonishing: Blame this loss predominantly on the wimpy RINO squishes who gave us a RINO squish nominee, who won the nomination only by default by splitting the conservative vote, and then ran a squish campaign: timid, risk-averse, ever unwilling to take a clear stand on anything lest he alienate someone somewhere about something. · November 30, 2012 at 9:28am

    I agree completely, and I cannot believe you don’t have more than my 1 lonely “like” for this post. The RINO’s, many of them who had fingerprints all over this campaign, rose from bed the next day blaming conservatives. I really do like Rob but as the resident squish he is often a target of my ire. Often when I hear Rob speak I feel like Mike Murphy is off to the side whispering in his ear. · December 1, 2012 at 12:20pm

    Edited on December 1, 2012 at 12:43pm

    RINO’s like Ann Coulter?

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    • December 3, 2012 at 10:51 am
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    To answer your questions Rob – there are some specific things IMHO:

    1. Branding – we have to get out of the position of looking like the only thing we care about is reducing taxes for the rich. If you listen to the news – elections are about who want to protect the plutocracy (us) vs the guy who’s always rooting for the little guy (them), when in actual fact it’s often the other way around.

    2. Social issues – we have to get our message together re abortion, marriage, etc. We have to have prepackaged lines that can’t be twisted, and candidates can’t go off script. People here won’t like it, but lots of candidates have to zip it, or else we lose countless votes on social issues.

    3. Go negative – Romney/Ryan had a positive message, and didn’t take the bat to the opposition while receiving countless blows. Not slandering the other side is sadly not a good strategy. Negative campaigning, while odious and divisive, works, and works well.

    4. Humour – we have to be light hearted and not look like a bunch of Stiff spined non-amused judgemental Quakers beamed in from the 18th century.

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    The “logic” behind the Zucker hire:

    A) NBC had an upward ratings trend

    B) Zucker took the top position and NBC ratings trend reversed direction

    C) CNN has a downward ratings trend

    D) Hiring Zucker will reverse the trend at CNN!

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    • December 4, 2012 at 3:22 am
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    Rob Long:

    But here’s my real question: instead of vague statements, whichspecific issues do you think our side should press hard next go-around? Taxes? Regulations? Immigration? War of Terrorism? Abortion? Gay marriage?

    It’s impossible to evaluate the effectiveness of the message when the message isn’t being heard. The specific issue the GOP needs to address is their very ability to get any message out.

    Once people actually hear what we’re saying we can start working on what we are saying and begin changing the culture. Ultimately we need to filter the liberalism from the air we all breathe, or people won’t ever listen. The millenials may be lost beyond remedy, but the following generations are still learning and forming their worldview.

    We need to play the long game.

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