In their new book, Law and Leviathan: Redeeming the Administrative State, Harvard Law professors Cass Sunstein and Adrian Vermeule mount a defense of the federal government’s maze of policymaking agencies and departments — institutions that many critics say operate outside of the nation’s constitutional architecture and any meaningful democratic controls.

Earlier this year, Professor Epstein released his own book, The Dubious Morality of Modern Administrative Law, making precisely the opposite case. Tune in as Professor Epstein explains the differences between the two sides and explains what an effective, constitutionally-constrained administrative state would look like.

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