Vaping the Democratic Debate

Melania puts her stiletto down and makes Donald ban flavored vapes. And did the third Democratic presidential primary debate change any voters’ minds?

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  1. Taras Coolidge
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

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    Trump.

    You need to read my post from before where I said:

    The options for 2020 are toxic “woke” zealotry on one side, and charlatanism and corruption on the other.

    So, vote non-toxic?

    Good lord. What if I had written “The options for 2020 are toxic ‘woke’ zealotry on one side, and Cancer, AIDS, Naziism, and Bubonic Plague on the other”— would you still have asked, “So, vote non-toxic?”

    But you didn’t. If you now want to claim that “charlatanism and corruption” are also toxic, please try (and fail) to make that case. One problem is those (including some on this very thread) who do seem to make that astonishing assumption. Or at least they consider themselves to be so above-it-all that they can’t lower themselves to do what might be necessary to avoid the toxicity.

    Okay, so where we disagree is on the simple question of “What behavior is disqualifying for someone seeking to occupy the highest office in the land?”

    And I feel that toxic “woke” zealotry … and charlatanism & corruption … are both disqualifying, while you do not.

    You, presumably, feel that the second set of traits — while hardly enviable — are still not completely disqualifying.

    Fine. But you have about as much chance of convincing me they’re not disqualifying as I have of convincing you they are.

    And this is what is known as an impasse.

     

    I’ve twice asked him, what charlatanism, what corruption?

    But @filmklassik prefers to just go on chanting his mantra, “charlatanism and corruption, charlatanism and corruption”!

    The Democrats have the same problem.  

    Because Trump is so unusual in trying to keep his promises, they’ve had to attack him for not building 2000 miles of wall, when they’re the ones who kept funding to a trickle and tied him up in court.  (And if Mexico isn’t paying for the wall, it is paying for the thousands of troops he forced them to deploy on the border.)

     And you will note they are digging for corruption, not in his Presidency, but trying to launch fishing expeditions in his pre-Presidential tax records. 

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kylez (View Comment):

    Trump.

    So, vote non-toxic?

    Good lord. What if I had written “The options for 2020 are toxic ‘woke’ zealotry on one side, and Cancer, AIDS, Naziism, and Bubonic Plague on the other”— would you still have asked, “So, vote non-toxic?”

    But you didn’t. If you now want to claim that “charlatanism and corruption” are also toxic, please try (and fail) to make that case. One problem is those (including some on this very thread) who do seem to make that astonishing assumption. Or at least they consider themselves to be so above-it-all that they can’t lower themselves to do what might be necessary to avoid the toxicity.

    Okay, so where we disagree is on the simple question of “What behavior is disqualifying for someone seeking to occupy the highest office in the land?”

    And I feel that toxic “woke” zealotry … and charlatanism & corruption … are both disqualifying, while you do not.

    You, presumably, feel that the second set of traits — while hardly enviable — are still not completely disqualifying.

    Fine. But you have about as much chance of convincing me they’re not disqualifying as I have of convincing you they are.

    And this is what is known as an impasse.

     

     

    Let me know when you get someone “not disqualified” nominated.  Until then, it’s just a pipe dream.  And you need to decide which is MOST disqualifying.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Because if Trump isn’t re-elected, it won’t be President Cruz, or President Rubio or President Pence, etc. It will be President ‘woke’ zealotry, and lots more. President Medicare For All, President Socialism, President Green New Deal… and lots more bad stuff.  Far worse than “President Charlatan” or whatever.

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  4. JuliaBlaschke Lincoln
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    Taras (View Comment):

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    What an odd thing to say.

    With his far-flung business interests, Trump came into the White House with far more experience of the world than all but a few Presidents.

    Now that is an odd thing to say. Have you heard the man speak? He doesn’t have a clue. You are dreaming.

    I think that’s where anti-Trumpers usually go wrong. They put too much weight on his words, and too little on his acts. For example, his negotiations with Canada and Mexico have been quite successful: they need us more than we need them.

    There was a long, preposterous essay in The Weekly Standard, a few months before it folded, which actually tried to make the argument that Trump’s words are more important than his acts. I have trouble finding a tactful way to express my reaction!

    Not that Trump’s words are not very clever at times, as when he questioned why the US is still in NATO. This put a scare into all the countries who were failing to meet their obligations: because NATO is much more important for them than it is for us.

    His words are part of his acts. Sure sometimes he thinks better of his stupid words, but sometimes he loses valuable advisers like Mattis because of his words. He really is clueless when it comes to history and foreign affairs and no amount of business in real estate, whether here or overseas is a substitute. Worse than that is that he refuses to learn from his mistakes. More and more people cannot work with him and he is left with sycophants. This is not good. With every stupid remark the choice becomes less binary and more binate. He really isn’t the man many Trumpers think he is.

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  5. JuliaBlaschke Lincoln
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    @JuliaBlaschke

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Because if Trump isn’t re-elected, it won’t be President Cruz, or President Rubio or President Pence, etc. It will be President ‘woke’ zealotry, and lots more. President Medicare For All, President Socialism, President Green New Deal… and lots more bad stuff. Far worse than “President Charlatan” or whatever.

    They think that because Trump is so awful they can go for the whole enchilada and get everything on their wish list. Sad thing is, they just might. You blame people like me. I blame primary voters. 

    The only silver lining is that a few years of Democrats telling people how to live and die might just bring us back to President Haley. We will see.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Because if Trump isn’t re-elected, it won’t be President Cruz, or President Rubio or President Pence, etc. It will be President ‘woke’ zealotry, and lots more. President Medicare For All, President Socialism, President Green New Deal… and lots more bad stuff. Far worse than “President Charlatan” or whatever.

    They think that because Trump is so awful they can go for the whole enchilada and get everything on their wish list. Sad thing is, they just might. You blame people like me. I blame primary voters.

    The only silver lining is that a few years of Democrats telling people how to live and die might just bring us back to President Haley. We will see.

    Why?  They didn’t seem to learn enough to not re-elect Obama.  For one example.

    And what good is it to blame primary voters?  Why not pretend they don’t even exist, and it makes no difference.  There are (in the final analysis) two candidates (that matter) on the ballot.  What difference does it make how they came to be there?

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  7. Taras Coolidge
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

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    Taras (View Comment):

    What an odd thing to say.

    With his far-flung business interests, Trump came into the White House with far more experience of the world than all but a few Presidents.

    Now that is an odd thing to say. Have you heard the man speak? He doesn’t have a clue. You are dreaming.

    I think that’s where anti-Trumpers usually go wrong. They put too much weight on his words, and too little on his acts. For example, his negotiations with Canada and Mexico have been quite successful: they need us more than we need them.

    There was a long, preposterous essay in The Weekly Standard, a few months before it folded, which actually tried to make the argument that Trump’s words are more important than his acts. I have trouble finding a tactful way to express my reaction!

    Not that Trump’s words are not very clever at times, as when he questioned why the US is still in NATO. This put a scare into all the countries who were failing to meet their obligations: because NATO is much more important for them than it is for us.

    His words are part of his acts. Sure sometimes he thinks better of his stupid words, but sometimes he loses valuable advisers like Mattis because of his words. He really is clueless when it comes to history and foreign affairs and no amount of business in real estate, whether here or overseas is a substitute. Worse than that is that he refuses to learn from his mistakes. More and more people cannot work with him and he is left with sycophants. This is not good. With every stupid remark the choice becomes less binary and more binate. He really isn’t the man many Trumpers think he is.

    Your deep understanding of Donald Trump’s mind, I’m sure, comes from years of perusing the New York Times.  [;)]   I’m sure you also agreed with the Times when it described Ronald Reagan as a “dunce” whose many successes were on account of his “Irish luck”. 

    Even before he was elected, Donald Trump understood the world better than any of the leading Democrats:  because they are taught by their leftist advisors from academia that the world’s problems are the fault of the United States.  (Thus, Obama’s idiotic policies toward Iran and Iraq.)

    As he modifies his policies, you can watch Trump learning on the job.  For example, after talking to the Border Patrol, he dropped his idea of a 2000-mile wall, and instead proposed to give them what they say they need to control the border.

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  8. Jookie Joon Inactive
    Jookie Joon
    @Jamie Bostick

    Vaping, if I’m not mistaken started out being an alternative to helping one quit cigs.  I understand 8 people have died thus far….it is sad.  However, vaping marijuana is just as popular, how has no one died of this?  Or have they?  

    Kamala,  will not go after Warren because she’s wanting to be VP but Warren would be insane to pick her, I just don’t  see that happening.  Stacey Abrams is probably  on Warren’s  short list.

    Great show, gents!

     

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