Jane Coaston Talks Black Panther (with Spoilers!)

Jane Coaston joins Jon and Stephen to discuss the Marvel hit Black Panther … and avoid politics in general. Jane is a Senior Politics Reporter for Vox and has written for the New York Times, the Washington Post, ESPN and The Ringer. She covered the 2016 election for MTV News and covered the NFL for SBNation. Caution: There be spoilers and plenty of them!

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  1. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
    Eustace C. Scrubb

    Jane kept using the term “African American” for actors in the film such as Lupita Nyong’o Kenyan-Mexican actor born in Mexico and Daniel Kaluuya is from England.

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  2. Chris Campion Coolidge
    Chris Campion

    I probably caught a little too much Black Panther hype prior to seeing it, and I liked it, but didn’t think it was that good.

    But the whiny part of me aside, the question raised in the flick, and its primary conflict, around what to do with what essentially is a magical material that eliminates need, is the story worth noting. Essentially, KillMonger wants to use power to achieve what he sees as justice or retribution, but not to build a thing. At the end, T’Challa brings the technology to Oakland, to build something, for people.

    That does ignore the larger question, not just around why not use the power to stop the slave trade, but why not use the power to stop genocides in Africa, inter-tribal warfare (which Wakanda itself experienced), inter-tribal slavery, etc.

    If Wakanda’s space is truly inviolate, hidden, and self-sustaining – why leave the comforts of home, at all, except to help those in need? The responsibility piece, of being able to help, is the only real reason to leave home.

    So why no help when hundreds of thousands of Africans were being hacked to death by machetes in Rwanda? Why no angst or guilt over that decision, as just one example? Which is where the movie left me a bit, because Wakanda should have been struggling with these questions, and whether or not to intervene, well before 2018. Something would have already happened.


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  3. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash

    Eustace C. Scrubb (View Comment):
    Jane kept using the term “African American” for actors in the film such as Lupita Nyong’o Kenyan-Mexican actor born in Mexico and Daniel Kaluuya is from England.

    This use of African American as a synonym for black caught my attention four or five Summer Olympics ago. The announcer kept talking about the African American racer, who was from an African country. It’s silly and makes for odd sentences like the one you caught.

    My favorite example of the culture corrupting language so that silly things get said was pointed out to me by Adam Carolla. Deacon Jones was an NFL player known for slapping an opponent’s helmet to distract him and let Deacon get a jump on him. The sexual revolution had pounded into people that women could do anything a man could and “or a woman” got tacked onto man anytime it was said. During an interview, Deacon was asked about his slap, which lead to the great answer, “Anytime you go upside a man’s head, or a woman, then they have a tendency to blink.”

    Jane also said something about her wife at one point, I think, so maybe English isn’t her strongest suit.

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  4. filmklassik Member

    Let’s start with the line, “Obviously BLACK PANTHER is not going to solve police shooting of African Americans…”

    That line says it all.

    Number one, we hear “African American” (repeatedly during the podcast, by the way) as opposed to “Black.”

    So I guess we have now accepted — and internalized — Jesse Jackson’s politically correct locution “African American.” Great!!

    And this observation also — and more importantly — takes it as a given that U.S. cops are gunning down blacks in disproportionately high numbers, even though the black Harvard economist Roland Fryer has empirically disproven this “thinking.” That means nothing. The racist narrative that black males essentially have targets on their backs is the one that prevails. (So let’s keep repeating that!! Yeah!!!)

    And then there’s the moment that Jane says BLACK PANTHER “really has nothing to do with white people at all” — and this was affirmed by the boys. Uh huh. Of course it doesn’t.

    This is madness. It ignores the fact that BLACK PANTHER fully embraces the idea that the problems endemic to the black community were caused by white racism, white colonialism, and white CIA operatives introducing drugs into the inner city.

    ALL of the characters in the film believe this. Killmonger believes it. Black Panther believes it. They all believe it. The movie itself promotes it.

    So the movie is basically saying, “Of course white people are the source of black people’s problems. Duh. Naturally they’re responsible! All we disagree about here — the only bone of contention, in other words — is how we go about dealing with this: peacefully or violently.”

    This putatively “conservatarian” podcast was as PC as any discussion I have ever heard.

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  5. filmklassik Member

    And what’s the over/under on whatever response my post engenders not including some variation of the phrase “calm down” or “chill out, dude”?

    I’m thinking it’s close to 100 to 1.

    Here we go…

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