Victor Davis Hanson considers the Republican Party’s future as it deals with the long shadow cast by the presidency of Donald Trump. Should the GOP embrace a Trump comeback? Or should it attempt to find a new standard-bearer who can blend the Trump agenda with a different sensibility? And what’s the one issue to which VDH thinks the GOP hasn’t paid nearly enough attention? Tune in to find out.

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  1. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    I understand that the election fraud is a forbidden topic and that the status quo of “ not enough to change an election” is the official narrative, but I just have a hard time finding any analysis of the election to be fully informed.

    Analysis seems to be very inadequate and lacking without some kind of acknowledgement that things may have not been above board and our post election analysis may be missing key information because of it.

    As to the budget stuff, if the goal is to attract the old guard GOP voter that doesn’t mind hot air being blown up their skirt without any substantial action, then sure…

    But I think to get our budget under actual control and to see real action is going to require some creative messaging and whittling of the edges of political support – and from what I’ve seen during the Trump Wars, these people don’t do diplomacy well. They want us screaming hell fire on our enemies and telling entitlement dependents to kiss their welfare (social security) checks good bye. 

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  2. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Stina (View Comment):

    As to the budget stuff, if the goal is to attract the old guard GOP voter that doesn’t mind hot air being blown up their skirt without any substantial action, then sure…

    But I think to get our budget under actual control and to see real action is going to require some creative messaging and whittling of the edges of political support

    We need to just forget about this. It’s impossible under a discretionary central bank system. Do it after the bond market implodes.

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  3. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    As to the budget stuff, if the goal is to attract the old guard GOP voter that doesn’t mind hot air being blown up their skirt without any substantial action, then sure…

    But I think to get our budget under actual control and to see real action is going to require some creative messaging and whittling of the edges of political support

    We need to just forget about this. It’s impossible under a discretionary central bank system. Do it after the bond market implodes.

    Welll…..a debt jubilee would be an absolutely massive populist thing to do, has a moral argument, would make for a healthier economy if embedded into our constitution, and would solve the debt problem…

    But you need a guaranteed 2 terms for it because you need to give financial institutions a chance to stop making long term loans.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Stina (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    As to the budget stuff, if the goal is to attract the old guard GOP voter that doesn’t mind hot air being blown up their skirt without any substantial action, then sure…

    But I think to get our budget under actual control and to see real action is going to require some creative messaging and whittling of the edges of political support

    We need to just forget about this. It’s impossible under a discretionary central bank system. Do it after the bond market implodes.

    Welll…..a debt jubilee would be an absolutely massive populist thing to do, has a moral argument, would make for a healthier economy if embedded into our constitution, and would solve the debt problem…

    But you need a guaranteed 2 terms for it because you need to give financial institutions a chance to stop making long term loans.

    I pay big money for analysis of this stuff and all of those guys say something radical is going to happen. 

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  5. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    As to the budget stuff, if the goal is to attract the old guard GOP voter that doesn’t mind hot air being blown up their skirt without any substantial action, then sure…

    But I think to get our budget under actual control and to see real action is going to require some creative messaging and whittling of the edges of political support

    We need to just forget about this. It’s impossible under a discretionary central bank system. Do it after the bond market implodes.

    Welll…..a debt jubilee would be an absolutely massive populist thing to do, has a moral argument, would make for a healthier economy if embedded into our constitution, and would solve the debt problem…

    But you need a guaranteed 2 terms for it because you need to give financial institutions a chance to stop making long term loans.

    I pay big money for analysis of this stuff and all of those guys say something radical is going to happen.

    Yeah, so I’m not all that hesitant to make radical proposals. Really, any economic discussion policy wise will only be relevant for future organization after our inevitable implosion.

    I think putting a cap on loan terms by outright debt forgiveness every cycle would create a natural inflation/deflation cycle. Constant inflation and constant deflation are neither one good – much like tariffs! They have their place when establishing an industry, but they need to be lessened as the industry grows and flourishes. Same with immigration. There needs to be ebb and flow with all of these, not constancy.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Stina (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    As to the budget stuff, if the goal is to attract the old guard GOP voter that doesn’t mind hot air being blown up their skirt without any substantial action, then sure…

    But I think to get our budget under actual control and to see real action is going to require some creative messaging and whittling of the edges of political support

    We need to just forget about this. It’s impossible under a discretionary central bank system. Do it after the bond market implodes.

    Welll…..a debt jubilee would be an absolutely massive populist thing to do, has a moral argument, would make for a healthier economy if embedded into our constitution, and would solve the debt problem…

    But you need a guaranteed 2 terms for it because you need to give financial institutions a chance to stop making long term loans.

    I pay big money for analysis of this stuff and all of those guys say something radical is going to happen.

    Yeah, so I’m not all that hesitant to make radical proposals. Really, any economic discussion policy wise will only be relevant for future organization after our inevitable implosion.

    I think putting a cap on loan terms by outright debt forgiveness every cycle would create a natural inflation/deflation cycle. Constant inflation and constant deflation are neither one good – much like tariffs! They have their place when establishing an industry, but they need to be lessened as the industry grows and flourishes. Same with immigration. There needs to be ebb and flow with all of these, not constancy.

    The problem is, the financial system and the government require inflation and automation and globalized labor are creating deflation. This is overly simplistic, but we should have switched to a deflationary economy 30 years ago.

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  7. ape2ag Member
    ape2ag
    @ape2ag

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I pay big money for analysis of this stuff and all of those guys say something radical is going to happen.

    But what?  And when?

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  8. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    ape2ag (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I pay big money for analysis of this stuff and all of those guys say something radical is going to happen.

    But what? And when?

    I don’t have a good answer to that. The big thing to remember is that if the five year treasury goes up to 220 basis points, 2.2 percentage points, every single western government goes broke. It seems like they have no political choice except to create inflation. A debt Jubilee is not out of the question as Stina speculates.

    These guys take all kinds of counter measures like buying homes in the Cayman Islands and sticking gold all over the planet. Most of the investment tactics are simply too hard for the average person to do.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    How do you have a civilization if you don’t get a decent return on a savings account under two years because it will break the government?

     

     

     

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  10. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

     

    Check out the summary. There is a transcript included

     

    https://investresolve.com/podcasts/mike-green-the-fourth-turning-and-reimagining-the-american-dream/

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  11. mildlyo Member
    mildlyo
    @mildlyo

    The key point comes at 25:13.  Very well said. Paraphrased: “I held my nose for McCain & Romney, why couldn’t you hold your nose for Trump?”

     

    I disagree with the sentiment that American’s are not up to a long war (27:24). We would have supported a civilizing mission. We would have supported a military destroying raid. But we do not support a decades long whack-a-mole occupation that changes nothing by design and benefits no one who lacks a job as a colonial administrator.

     

    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass.  That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

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  12. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    mildlyo (View Comment):
    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass. That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

    Actually, most of the comments are about the debt and things that would keep Ficons with the Trump guys.

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  13. mildlyo Member
    mildlyo
    @mildlyo

    Stina (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):
    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass. That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

    Actually, most of the comments are about the debt and things that would keep Ficons with the Trump guys.

    The downside of typing before refreshing the page…

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  14. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    mildlyo (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):
    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass. That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

    Actually, most of the comments are about the debt and things that would keep Ficons with the Trump guys.

    The downside of typing before refreshing the page…

    Don’t forget the Idiot Libertarian vote.  If the Idiot Libertarians had voted for Trump, there would have been an Electoral College tie and Trump re-elected by Congress.  (Assuming the Democrats were unable to generate more votes as they needed them.)

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  15. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Taras (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):
    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass. That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

    Actually, most of the comments are about the debt and things that would keep Ficons with the Trump guys.

    The downside of typing before refreshing the page…

    Don’t forget the Idiot Libertarian vote. If the Idiot Libertarians had voted for Trump, there would have been an Electoral College tie and Trump re-elected by Congress. (Assuming the Democrats were unable to generate more votes as they needed them.)

    Justin Amash, the cookbook libertarian, is going to be trouble in the next election.

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  16. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):
    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass. That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

    Actually, most of the comments are about the debt and things that would keep Ficons with the Trump guys.

    The downside of typing before refreshing the page…

    Don’t forget the Idiot Libertarian vote. If the Idiot Libertarians had voted for Trump, there would have been an Electoral College tie and Trump re-elected by Congress. (Assuming the Democrats were unable to generate more votes as they needed them.)

    Justin Amash, the cookbook libertarian, is going to be trouble in the next election.

    I’m sure the Democrats are subsidizing the LP already.  Much as they assist the most beatable candidate in a Republican primary.  Remember how they saved Claire McCaskill‘s Senate seat in 2012.

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  17. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Taras (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):
    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass. That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

    Actually, most of the comments are about the debt and things that would keep Ficons with the Trump guys.

    The downside of typing before refreshing the page…

    Don’t forget the Idiot Libertarian vote. If the Idiot Libertarians had voted for Trump, there would have been an Electoral College tie and Trump re-elected by Congress. (Assuming the Democrats were unable to generate more votes as they needed them.)

    Justin Amash, the cookbook libertarian, is going to be trouble in the next election.

    I’m sure the Democrats are subsidizing the LP already. Much as they assist the most beatable candidate in a Republican primary. Remember how they saved Claire McCaskill‘s Senate seat in 2012.

    The LP needs to quit fielding candidates above state cabinet. It doesn’t do anybody any good. Look at interviews of Bill Weld, before, during, and after.

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  18. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):
    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass. That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

    Actually, most of the comments are about the debt and things that would keep Ficons with the Trump guys.

    The downside of typing before refreshing the page…

    Don’t forget the Idiot Libertarian vote. If the Idiot Libertarians had voted for Trump, there would have been an Electoral College tie and Trump re-elected by Congress. (Assuming the Democrats were unable to generate more votes as they needed them.)

    Justin Amash, the cookbook libertarian, is going to be trouble in the next election.

    I’m sure the Democrats are subsidizing the LP already. Much as they assist the most beatable candidate in a Republican primary. Remember how they saved Claire McCaskill‘s Senate seat in 2012.

    The LP needs to quit fielding candidates above state cabinet. It doesn’t do anybody any good. Look at interviews of Bill Weld, before, during, and after.

    They should remember that, given Democrat control of the Federal bureaucracy and most of the media, a “bad” Republican is preferable to a “good” Democrat (if any such still exist).

    A Democrat can violate the law and the Constitution with impunity (as we have seen), while a Republican is not even permitted to execute the core powers of his office.

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  19. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Taras (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    mildlyo (View Comment):
    I see most comments above take issue with the election results summary. Given that people still debate if Perot swung the election to Clinton, I can give it a pass. That said, Biden is your fault NeverTrumpers!

    Actually, most of the comments are about the debt and things that would keep Ficons with the Trump guys.

    The downside of typing before refreshing the page…

    Don’t forget the Idiot Libertarian vote. If the Idiot Libertarians had voted for Trump, there would have been an Electoral College tie and Trump re-elected by Congress. (Assuming the Democrats were unable to generate more votes as they needed them.)

    Justin Amash, the cookbook libertarian, is going to be trouble in the next election.

    I’m sure the Democrats are subsidizing the LP already. Much as they assist the most beatable candidate in a Republican primary. Remember how they saved Claire McCaskill‘s Senate seat in 2012.

    The LP needs to quit fielding candidates above state cabinet. It doesn’t do anybody any good. Look at interviews of Bill Weld, before, during, and after.

    They should remember that, given Democrat control of the Federal bureaucracy and most of the media, a “bad” Republican is preferable to a “good” Democrat (if any such still exist).

    A Democrat can violate the law and the Constitution with impunity (as we have seen), while a Republican is not even permitted to execute the core powers of his office.

    That really is true. Great observation.

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  20. DJ EJ Member
    DJ EJ
    @DJEJ

    Great VDH interview as always, @troysenik . This has nothing to do with the substance of the conversation, but whenever I hear you say “and two free pillows for our listeners” in the Helix sleep ad, I think of Planes, Trains, and Automobiles and yell out, “those aren’t pillows!” I just want you to think of that scene whenever you read that ad copy. You’re welcome.

     

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