Victor Davis Hanson talks about the just concluded 2016 presidential election and its implications for the future.

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  1. Pat Minicucci Member
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    Superb podcast and a great conversation between both participants. Dr. Hanson always offers the best example of how to gently but firmly rebuke incoherent thought processes, whether on policy or, as in this case, the poverty of the Never-Trumpers’ position.

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    • November 16, 2016, at 7:41 AM PST
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  2. ClosetSubversive Member

    I usually like VDH, but to me he sounded bitter and he shouldn’t be. Trump won. I really don’t understand why it became unacceptable to follow one’s conscience. I didn’t vote for a presidential candidate because I found both choices unacceptable. I was in the ‘Hillary by a landslide” camp – not what I hoped would happen but what I thought was likely to happen. On election night, I was surprised at how happy I was when Trump won. And I sincerely wish him well as I’m sure my fellow NeverTrumpers do. Why should anyone be upset with me because I simply couldn’t vote for Trump? I just couldn’t do it. Though I was opposed to Trump throughout the endless campaign, right up until I was in the booth, I wondered what I would do when faced with the actual ballot, all alone, no one to see – just between me and God. And I am glad to say that according to my conscience, I did what was right. I’m sure VDH and other Trump supporters did what was right according to their conscience. Must everyone evaluate everything the same way? Is there no room to see things differently?

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    • November 16, 2016, at 10:04 AM PST
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  3. Joseph Eagar Member
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    @ClosetSubversive, I was a bit different. I fully planned on voting for Hillary Clinton until election day. I changed to Trump because, frankly, I have a lot of white working-class friends and relatives, and they have real grievances. I’m sick and tired of how upper-middle-class people constantly proclaim their tolerance and open-mindedness, even as they say and do things that persecute poor people. Just because everyone agrees on a convenient lie doesn’t make it true.

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    • November 16, 2016, at 11:26 AM PST
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  4. Joseph Eagar Member
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    Pat Minicucci:Superb podcast and a great conversation between both participants. Dr. Hanson always offers the best example of how to gently but firmly rebuke incoherent thought processes, whether on policy or, as in this case, the poverty of the Never-Trumpers’ position.

    Cooke was never a strident Never Trumper, though. What we need is a podcast with VDH and Kevin Williamson as the hosts.

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    • November 16, 2016, at 11:28 AM PST
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  5. Hartmann von Aue Member

    The euphoria on the part of NeverTrumpers is attributable to the fact that the downballot disaster that we suspected would come with Trump’s election did not happen. Note that Republicans who opposed Trump also paid no price. It was a Republican Wave Election, and that is good news to conservatives generally. It decimated the Democrats and gives the TrumpSkeptics reason to be on their toes. We’ll support him where he supports constitutional conservatism and oppose him where he doesn’t- same drill as with GWB in the first term.

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    • November 17, 2016, at 1:51 AM PST
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  6. Ian M. Inactive

    When Charles asked, “so where should [NeverTrumpers] go?” I was half-expecting VDH to say something like “a long walk off a short pier.” I suppose he’s just too classy for that.

    This podcast is always good… VDH’s brief remark that some conservatives were reluctant to support Trump because they perhaps hold all conservatives to a higher standard is something that I don’t think was discussed enough during the campaign in a productive way – much of what I heard/read was along the lines of “we’ll be hypocrites if we support him.” I’m going on a tangent, but I think it’d be interesting to read more arguments in favor of conservative personal values, instead of just hearing the usual platitudes every election year.

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    • November 17, 2016, at 10:32 AM PST
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