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This week, John Yoo, the Ricochet Podcast Senior Election Fraud Analyst and the Joan and Ray Kroc McRib Scholar at Hamburger University sits in for Peter Robinson and kicks the show off with a deep dive on where we stand with all of the current court cases and challenges around the election. Then, Avik Roy (listen to his American Wonk/COVID in 19 podcast right here on Ricochet) stops by to science us on the recent resurgence of COVID cases cropping up across the country. Then, National Review’s Jim Geraghty (do yourself a favor and subscribe to his must read Daily Jolt newsletter) visits for a bit to talk about Georgia, polling, and to drop a few impressions. Finally, mad props to Ricochet member @markcamp for winning the coveted Lileks Post of The Week badge for his tome, Was Perry Mason a Great TV Series? We’ll let you decide. Thanks to all who joined us for the live video version of the show. We apologize for Rob’s sweater.

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  1. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Biden Transition Official Believes the First Amendment Has a ‘Design Flaw’ — His Remedy Is to Curb Free Speech

    Nope, nothing to worry about from a Biden administration. Not at all . . .

    Good. Let him try it. Let them all try to modify the 1st Amendment to carve out exemptions. Let it all happen in the bright daylight through legislative initiatives, so everyone can see what they believe. 

    • #181
  2. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    If Trump had resigned back in December 2019, Mike Pence would have ascended to the Presidency and Pence would have beaten Joe Biden. Pence doesn’t make nearly as many stupid statements as Trump does. If Pence had the the GOP presidential nominee, we’d be celebrating victory now instead of lamenting defeat.

    As for your earlier point about nominating someone who does not drop Twitter stink-bombs on a semi-hourly basis and has an air of gravitas and statesmanship and all those other swampy code-words that nevertheless mean something to people who prefer a certain type of character to occupy the office, I agree. But anyone who channels Trump-adjacent ideas going forward will be seen by the media as even more Extra-Super Hitlery, because they are wrapping “Trumpian poison” in a candy-coated shell. To the media, Trump delegitimized a vast swath of positions. Granted, they believed they were illegitimate from the start, since they clash with panglossian leftist notions, but Trump gave them a new red nose on which they could hang their certainties.

    It is impossible to assess how Pence would’ve performed if Trump had resigned in 12/19, because there was no reason Trump would have done so, no chance he would’ve stepped back. I think Pence COVID pressers might have seemed a bit less chaotic, but the media was always going to elevate Cuomo no matter what he did, and paint anything less than a national take-over of state governments and critical industries as indifference. Biden, having no say or no power, would still be held as the national savior. 

     

    • #182
  3. Jon1979 Inactive
    Jon1979
    @Jon1979

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    If Trump had resigned back in December 2019, Mike Pence would have ascended to the Presidency and Pence would have beaten Joe Biden. Pence doesn’t make nearly as many stupid statements as Trump does. If Pence had the the GOP presidential nominee, we’d be celebrating victory now instead of lamenting defeat.

    As for your earlier point about nominating someone who does not drop Twitter stink-bombs on a semi-hourly basis and has an air of gravitas and statesmanship and all those other swampy code-words that nevertheless mean something to people who prefer a certain type of character to occupy the office, I agree. But anyone who channels Trump-adjacent ideas going forward will be seen by the media as even more Extra-Super Hitlery, because they are wrapping “Trumpian poison” in a candy-coated shell. To the media, Trump delegitimized a vast swath of positions. Granted, they believed they were illegitimate from the start, since they clash with panglossian leftist notions, but Trump gave them a new red nose on which they could hang their certainties.

    It is impossible to assess how Pence would’ve performed if Trump had resigned in 12/19, because there was no reason Trump would have done so, no chance he would’ve stepped back. I think Pence COVID pressers might have seemed a bit less chaotic, but the media was always going to elevate Cuomo no matter what he did, and paint anything less than a national take-over of state governments and critical industries as indifference. Biden, having no say or no power, would still be held as the national savior.

     

    Assuming Trump’s not going to run in ’24 (big if there), the question’s not whether his successor as GOP nominee will be tagged as the next Hitler. It’s simply how that nominee is going to be tagged as the next Hitler. Anyone paying attention after Maverick got the nomination, when he became ’08 Hitler, would have to be in deep denial not to know what’s coming.

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  4. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Biden Transition Official Believes the First Amendment Has a ‘Design Flaw’ — His Remedy Is to Curb Free Speech

    Nope, nothing to worry about from a Biden administration. Not at all . . .

    Good. Let him try it. Let them all try to modify the 1st Amendment to carve out exemptions. Let it all happen in the bright daylight through legislative initiatives, so everyone can see what they believe.

    Biden et al don’t have to pursue much if any of their agenda legislatively.  Besides the “pen and phone” stuff, if they follow through on actually packing the Supreme Court, they could bring us a court that decides the whole Constitution is just – to quote an episode of Star Trek: The Next Geeration, “A recipe for biscuits.”

    And if a lot of people actually cared about that kind of thing, rather than just feeling good about themselves because of who they voted for, then Biden wouldn’t have even barely scraped into office, if that’s what ends up happening.

    As the saying goes, It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his livelihood (and I would add, perhaps even his life) depends on NOT understanding it.

    • #184
  5. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
    Gazpacho Grande'
    @ChrisCampion

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    So many willing to rat out their neighbors who don’t comply with governor edicts. It’s not a stretch.

    I agree with this. Things are changing in a bad way.

    The thing I worry about is they can screw with the ACA to make people give up and just say uncle and accept single-payer. The ACA is obviously a scam to force single-payer.

    Once you dig into the details of “Single Payer” a whole bunch of complexities present themselves.

    [] How much will physicians and hospitals be paid for performing, say, coronary bypass surgery? Which medications will be covered? How will it be determined if a surgery or medication or physical therapy is medially necessary?

    Take Medicaid as an example. The reimbursement rates are so low, many physicians do not accept Medicaid patients. That won’t make many people happy, even those on the Left.

    That’s not a “whole bunch of complexities” – that’s how reimbursements have worked for decades.  Broad-banding Medicaid  (meaning making that single-payer in the US) will leave nowhere to shift the costs that aren’t covered by Medicaid reimbursements, the private sector insurance plans.  

    That means fewer procedures, lower salaries, fewer health care professionals, less expensive procedures like MRIs available, etc.

    Fewer choices.  It’s how the gov’t works.  No market.  Just what we decide to provide to you, as dictated by 535 chowderheads.

    One can almost smell the freedom.

    • #185
  6. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    If Trump had resigned back in December 2019, Mike Pence would have ascended to the Presidency and Pence would have beaten Joe Biden. Pence doesn’t make nearly as many stupid statements as Trump does. If Pence had the the GOP presidential nominee, we’d be celebrating victory now instead of lamenting defeat.

    As for your earlier point about nominating someone who does not drop Twitter stink-bombs on a semi-hourly basis and has an air of gravitas and statesmanship and all those other swampy code-words that nevertheless mean something to people who prefer a certain type of character to occupy the office, I agree. But anyone who channels Trump-adjacent ideas going forward will be seen by the media as even more Extra-Super Hitlery, because they are wrapping “Trumpian poison” in a candy-coated shell. To the media, Trump delegitimized a vast swath of positions. Granted, they believed they were illegitimate from the start, since they clash with panglossian leftist notions, but Trump gave them a new red nose on which they could hang their certainties.

    It is impossible to assess how Pence would’ve performed if Trump had resigned in 12/19, because there was no reason Trump would have done so, no chance he would’ve stepped back. I think Pence COVID pressers might have seemed a bit less chaotic, but the media was always going to elevate Cuomo no matter what he did, and paint anything less than a national take-over of state governments and critical industries as indifference. Biden, having no say or no power, would still be held as the national savior.

     

    Remember, Biden made a speech to a Black audience where he said “Republicans want to put y’all back in chains”.  He didn’t say “Trump wants to…”.

     

     

     

     

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  7. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    “I never say anything I can’t prove.”

    Take Sidney Powell seriously.

    Looking like Trump did win in a landslide, but I failed to take into account Dominion, a name that gives the game away.

    • #187
  8. Pagodan Member
    Pagodan
    @MatthewBaylot

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):
    Go spam another forum. I think in the last week you’re responsible for half the comments on the entire site. We already know your point of view. Repeating it another hundred thousand times won’t make us suddenly agree with you.

    Why is it so difficult for you to accept the idea that while a lot of voters liked Trump’s policies, they found the man exhausting and petulant? This is the question I asked at the beginning of this thread — why do you expect voters to look past who the guy is and only vote for what he is? When has that ever worked in politics?

     

    I don’t know, it seems to have worked for Biden.

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  9. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):
    Go spam another forum. I think in the last week you’re responsible for half the comments on the entire site. We already know your point of view. Repeating it another hundred thousand times won’t make us suddenly agree with you.

    Why is it so difficult for you to accept the idea that while a lot of voters liked Trump’s policies, they found the man exhausting and petulant? This is the question I asked at the beginning of this thread — why do you expect voters to look past who the guy is and only vote for what he is? When has that ever worked in politics?

     

    I don’t know, it seems to have worked for Biden.

    That might be because the media et al cover for Biden, while amplifying and exaggerating against Trump and even making up stuff that doesn’t really exist.

    • #189
  10. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Wednesday’s Mark Levin had a great discussion about state legislatures overriding the selection of electors. It’s in the last half hour and the podcast is free.

    The concept is, the constitution clearly says that the process is strictly under legislative control and legislatures would have the right to override litigation and executive decisions that subverted that. In the case of Pennsylvania, you had Democrat judges and unilateral governor and secretary of state decisions doing this. 

    It doesn’t include all of the bad accounting controls at all, apparently. This makes it more stark and brutal really because it’s more clear-cut. People would freak out, but that’s actually the way things are.

    • #190
  11. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Wednesday’s Mark Levin had a great discussion about state legislatures overriding the selection of electors. It’s in the last half hour and the podcast is free.

    The concept is, the constitution clearly says that the process is strictly under legislative control and legislatures would have the right to override litigation and executive decisions that subverted that. In the case of Pennsylvania, you had Democrat judges and unilateral governor and secretary of state decisions doing this.

    It doesn’t include all of the bad accounting controls at all, apparently. This makes it more stark and brutal really because it’s more clear-cut. People would freak out, but that’s actually the way things are.

    I would like them to have the guts to do it, but they probably don’t.  And likely for the same reason that judges wouldn’t do the right thing: they don’t want BLM/Antifa showing up at their homes with torches.

    • #191
  12. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Wednesday’s Mark Levin had a great discussion about state legislatures overriding the selection of electors. It’s in the last half hour and the podcast is free.

    The concept is, the constitution clearly says that the process is strictly under legislative control and legislatures would have the right to override litigation and executive decisions that subverted that. In the case of Pennsylvania, you had Democrat judges and unilateral governor and secretary of state decisions doing this.

    It doesn’t include all of the bad accounting controls at all, apparently. This makes it more stark and brutal really because it’s more clear-cut. People would freak out, but that’s actually the way things are.

    I would like them to have the guts to do it, but they probably don’t. And likely for the same reason that judges wouldn’t do the right thing: they don’t want BLM/Antifa showing up at their homes with torches.

    I wonder if Republican Legislature’s that have to worry about this crap need to make it really clear that if they aren’t satisfied in that sense and in the sense of accounting controls they are going to do it so you better not make it come to that. Election fraud or just lax systems are a joke to fix after they’ve already done it. 

    The other thing I forgot to mention was, Daniel Horowitz of conservative review was on the same show more at the beginning and he had some great statistical analysis. That is what I have been waiting for. They need to produce that instantly after every election. Something really stinks with how Biden won. 

    • #192
  13. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Another good thing to listen to is, one of the editors for American Greatness was on Dan Proft last night. Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote. They just can’t do that. You have to focus on class issues in the middle because the Democrats are focused on the very rich and very poor plus identity politics. I think it was the second interview.

    • #193
  14. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Another good thing to listen to is, one of the editors for American Greatness was on Dan Proft last night. Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote. They just can’t do that. You have to focus on class issues in the middle because the Democrats are focused on the very rich and very poor plus identity politics. I think it was the second interview.

    I don’t think I can agree with that reasoning.  I think white working-class men were more influenced by the “crassness” argument maybe especially from their wives etc.  What reason is there to believe that white working-class men were harmed by Trump’s policies, or that they resented the black/hispanic employment being so much better too?

    • #194
  15. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Another good thing to listen to is, one of the editors for American Greatness was on Dan Proft last night. Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote. They just can’t do that. You have to focus on class issues in the middle because the Democrats are focused on the very rich and very poor plus identity politics. I think it was the second interview.

    I don’t think I can agree with that reasoning. I think white working-class men were more influenced by the “crassness” argument maybe especially from their wives etc. What reason is there to believe that white working-class men were harmed by Trump’s policies, or that they resented the black/hispanic employment being so much better too?

    This isn’t really my bag. I would really recommend listening to the interview. The guy could be completely wrong.

    • #195
  16. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Another good thing to listen to is, one of the editors for American Greatness was on Dan Proft last night. Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote. They just can’t do that. You have to focus on class issues in the middle because the Democrats are focused on the very rich and very poor plus identity politics. I think it was the second interview.

    I don’t think I can agree with that reasoning. I think white working-class men were more influenced by the “crassness” argument maybe especially from their wives etc. What reason is there to believe that white working-class men were harmed by Trump’s policies, or that they resented the black/hispanic employment being so much better too?

    This isn’t really my bag. I would really recommend listening to the interview. The guy could be completely wrong.

    Eh, I just want him to end up winning.  If he doesn’t, I don’t really care why stupid people didn’t vote for him.  As the saying goes, “you can’t fix stupid.”

    • #196
  17. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Another good thing to listen to is, one of the editors for American Greatness was on Dan Proft last night. Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote. They just can’t do that. You have to focus on class issues in the middle because the Democrats are focused on the very rich and very poor plus identity politics. I think it was the second interview.

    I don’t think I can agree with that reasoning. I think white working-class men were more influenced by the “crassness” argument maybe especially from their wives etc. What reason is there to believe that white working-class men were harmed by Trump’s policies, or that they resented the black/hispanic employment being so much better too?

    This isn’t really my bag. I would really recommend listening to the interview. The guy could be completely wrong.

    Eh, I just want him to end up winning. If he doesn’t, I don’t really care why stupid people didn’t vote for him. As the saying goes, “you can’t fix stupid.”

    Fun times. There has to be a 30% chance the whole country is going to fall apart in a revolution.

    • #197
  18. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Another good thing to listen to is, one of the editors for American Greatness was on Dan Proft last night. Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote. They just can’t do that. You have to focus on class issues in the middle because the Democrats are focused on the very rich and very poor plus identity politics. I think it was the second interview.

    I don’t think I can agree with that reasoning. I think white working-class men were more influenced by the “crassness” argument maybe especially from their wives etc. What reason is there to believe that white working-class men were harmed by Trump’s policies, or that they resented the black/hispanic employment being so much better too?

    This isn’t really my bag. I would really recommend listening to the interview. The guy could be completely wrong.

    Eh, I just want him to end up winning. If he doesn’t, I don’t really care why stupid people didn’t vote for him. As the saying goes, “you can’t fix stupid.”

    Fun times. There has to be a 30% chance the whole country is going to fall apart in a revolution.

    Or maybe it’s that 30% of the country will fall apart in a revolution.  Could go either way.  And either way, I don’t think I could be safer than I am now.  80 miles from a city of any significance, and 400 miles from the nearest big city.

    • #198
  19. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Another good thing to listen to is, one of the editors for American Greatness was on Dan Proft last night. Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote. They just can’t do that. You have to focus on class issues in the middle because the Democrats are focused on the very rich and very poor plus identity politics. I think it was the second interview.

    I don’t think I can agree with that reasoning. I think white working-class men were more influenced by the “crassness” argument maybe especially from their wives etc. What reason is there to believe that white working-class men were harmed by Trump’s policies, or that they resented the black/hispanic employment being so much better too?

    This isn’t really my bag. I would really recommend listening to the interview. The guy could be completely wrong.

    Eh, I just want him to end up winning. If he doesn’t, I don’t really care why stupid people didn’t vote for him. As the saying goes, “you can’t fix stupid.”

    Fun times. There has to be a 30% chance the whole country is going to fall apart in a revolution.

    Or maybe it’s that 30% of the country will fall apart in a revolution. Could go either way. And either way, I don’t think I could be safer than I am now. 80 miles from a city of any significance, and 400 miles from the nearest big city.

    The problem is, electioneering works. 

    • #199
  20. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote.

    I don’t believe this for a moment.

     

    • #200
  21. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote.

    I don’t believe this for a moment.

     

    Listen to the podcast. There is no way in hell I would want to get into an argument with Daniel Horowitz on anything.

    • #201
  22. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote.

    I don’t believe this for a moment.

    Listen to the podcast. There is no way in hell I would want to get into an argument with Daniel Horowitz on anything.

    It’s a podcast. I don’t believe it. Trump may have lost ground among the white professional class, but not the working class. And I don’t believe any analysis that says they lost it by going after the diversity vote. That’s the kind of argument a Democrat would make, because Democrats believe that the white working class is full of racists. (When in fact, they’re probably the least racist in that they actually interact with and have friends and co-workers of other races far more than the white professional class ever does.)

     

    • #202
  23. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote.

    I don’t believe this for a moment.

    Listen to the podcast. There is no way in hell I would want to get into an argument with Daniel Horowitz on anything.

    It’s a podcast. I don’t believe it. Trump may have lost ground among the white professional class, but not the working class. And I don’t believe any analysis that says they lost it by going after the diversity vote. That’s the kind of argument a Democrat would make, because Democrats believe that the white working class is full of racists. (When in fact, they’re probably the least racist in that they actually interact with and have friends and co-workers of other races far more than the white professional class ever does.)

    Do you even know anything about Daniel Horowitz?

     

    • #203
  24. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Trump lost a staggering amount of white working class men because they just went way too far into getting the diversity vote.

    I don’t believe this for a moment.

    Listen to the podcast. There is no way in hell I would want to get into an argument with Daniel Horowitz on anything.

    It’s a podcast. I don’t believe it. Trump may have lost ground among the white professional class, but not the working class. And I don’t believe any analysis that says they lost it by going after the diversity vote. That’s the kind of argument a Democrat would make, because Democrats believe that the white working class is full of racists. (When in fact, they’re probably the least racist in that they actually interact with and have friends and co-workers of other races far more than the white professional class ever does.)

    Do you even know anything about Daniel Horowitz?

    No, but I know about Izzy Horowitz. Crazy old man next door. Yells at the garbage trucks every Tuesday.

    • #204
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