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This week, John Yoo, the Ricochet Podcast Senior Election Fraud Analyst and the Joan and Ray Kroc McRib Scholar at Hamburger University sits in for Peter Robinson and kicks the show off with a deep dive on where we stand with all of the current court cases and challenges around the election. Then, Avik Roy (listen to his American Wonk/COVID in 19 podcast right here on Ricochet) stops by to science us on the recent resurgence of COVID cases cropping up across the country. Then, National Review’s Jim Geraghty (do yourself a favor and subscribe to his must read Daily Jolt newsletter) visits for a bit to talk about Georgia, polling, and to drop a few impressions. Finally, mad props to Ricochet member @markcamp for winning the coveted Lileks Post of The Week badge for his tome, Was Perry Mason a Great TV Series? We’ll let you decide. Thanks to all who joined us for the live video version of the show. We apologize for Rob’s sweater.

Music from this week’s show: Don’t Look Back In Anger by Oasis

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    You brought up the litigation angle.

    Trump is losing the litigation battle too. Badly.

    I knew you were going to say that, but what are they supposed to do? The clock is ticking and obviously Arizona could have tipped to the positive. etc. That’s just the way elections work. 

    Jonathan Turley was making a very big deal out of this that they need to let the litigation and so forth play out so we have confidence in the electoral system.

     

     

     

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  2. HeavyWater Reagan
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    You brought up the litigation angle.

    Trump is losing the litigation battle too. Badly.

    I knew you were going to say that, but what are they supposed to do? The clock is ticking and obviously Arizona could have tipped to the positive. etc. That’s just the way elections work.

    Jonathan Turley was making a very big deal out of this that they need to let the litigation and so forth play out so we have confidence in the electoral system.

    If someone had confidence in the electoral system after the 2016 election when Trump won, they should have confidence in the electoral system after the 2020 election when Biden won.  

    There is no need to continue to lose one court case after another.  We get the point: Biden won.  

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    You brought up the litigation angle.

    Trump is losing the litigation battle too. Badly.

    I knew you were going to say that, but what are they supposed to do? The clock is ticking and obviously Arizona could have tipped to the positive. etc. That’s just the way elections work.

    Jonathan Turley was making a very big deal out of this that they need to let the litigation and so forth play out so we have confidence in the electoral system.

    If someone had confidence in the electoral system after the 2016 election when Trump won, they should have confidence in the electoral system after the 2020 election when Biden won.

    There is no need to continue to lose one court case after another. We get the point: Biden won.

    I just explained why that wasn’t true. The Democrat party use the pandemic to make hundreds of changes all over the country both unilaterally with governors and secretaries of State and litigation. They did it in Minnesota. California got ahead of the ballot harvesting this year because they got burned by it so badly, prior.

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  4. Bishop Wash Member
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    I thought I caught it during the live feed and now on the download, Rob says around the 45 minute mark that Biden will start with a slightly better foot than Trump because he has a dwindling House majority. Trump on paper had a majority in both chambers. Pending the Georgia runoffs the chambers will be split or slim Democrat majorities. Trump started on a much better foot that the Republicans squandered.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    I thought I caught it during the live feed and now on the download, Rob says around the 45 minute mark that Biden will start with a slightly better foot than Trump because he has a dwindling House majority. Trump on paper had a majority in both chambers. Pending the Georgia runoffs the chambers will be split or slim Democrat majorities. Trump started on a much better foot that the Republicans squandered.

    That is exactly right. They had two years to get rid of the ACA and put up the wall. 

    I can’t understand why they didn’t help Trump crush the ACA and put something else up in its place. All of these people are criminals. Three in the Senate and 100 in the house. 

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    They will talk about this on the weekend Fox News show, no doubt.

     

     

     

     

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  7. Buckpasser Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    It’s not the first time that a substandard person was elected President of the United States. It won’t be the last time either.

    Was it a substandard candidate elected or a party elected that hates me.

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  8. Miffed White Male Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    I love radio Dragnet, and the early B&W Dragnets (same scripts), but color Dragnet just seems so flat and rote. All those cheap sets. Perry Mason, if nothing else, is a full accounting of mid-century interior design and urban studies; it’s an inadvertent documentary of LA in a way Dragnet never was. (Adam-12 had more street footage, as befits a show about a prowl car.)

    A catalog of the changes in police technology by watching every episode of Law & Order.  In 1990 when L&O first went on the air they were still using typewriters in the precinct office, and no cellphones.

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  9. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Fortunately, there are no photos of Trump making silly expressions. None. They don’t exist. Because he’s always so dignified. And Presidential.

     

     

    Wow.

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  10. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Of course. And if the media had their way – and they usually do – that’s all we would see of Trump. And we usually do.

    Ah, there it is — Trump Mantra: It’s always someone else’s fault.

    Don’t you mean Barry?

    Or did you miss those 8 years of blaming other people for whatever issue he couldn’t figure out that day.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Oh, . . . Tim Miller called something stupid and specious?

    That probably means that it’s intelligence and insightful.

    The Bulwark/Lincoln Project folks think they and they alone won this for Biden. What a bunch of self-impressed . . . fedoras.

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  12. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Huh…I’m sure it’s a coincidence…

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Huh…I’m sure it’s a coincidence…

    Holy Crapoly!

    That is . . . chilling.

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  14. Arahant Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):
    That is . . . chilling.

    Especially from multiple networks.

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  15. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):
    That is . . . chilling.

    Especially from multiple networks.

    Uh…yep.

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  16. Brian Watt Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Huh…I’m sure it’s a coincidence…

    Holy Crapoly!

    That is . . . chilling.

    Just posted this on the Member Feed.

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  17. Blue Yeti Admin
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    @BlueYeti

    Arahant (View Comment):
    Especially from multiple networks.

    They’re affiliates of multiple networks, but they all share the same owner: Sinclair Media.  Sinclair Media is a Conservative owned company and they’ve been very friendly to a certain current President.

    But I’m not sure you want to be the one sharing that clip, Brian. The montage piece was lifted from a segment of The John Oliver Show on HBO that ran a couple of years ago. Oliver is not so friendly to a certain current President.

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  18. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    Especially from multiple networks.

    They’re affiliates of multiple networks, but they all share the same owner: Sinclair Media.

    All with no minds of their own. Just talking monkeys.

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  19. Blue Yeti Admin
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    @BlueYeti

    Brian Watt (View Comment):All with no minds of their own. Just talking monkeys.

    They were forced by Sinclair to do that and several people lost or quit their jobs over it.

    This was a pretty big story in media circles when it went down a couple of years ago.

    The video was originally made and Tweeted by Deadspin, but something tells me you’re not going to like it…

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  20. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Of course. And if the media had their way – and they usually do – that’s all we would see of Trump. And we usually do.

    Ah, there it is — Trump Mantra: It’s always someone else’s fault.

    Don’t you mean Barry?

    Or did you miss those 8 years of blaming other people for whatever issue he couldn’t figure out that day.

    I made the point that it’s always someone else’s fault with Trump and his supporters and you blamed someone else. 

    Thank you.

     

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  21. Brian Watt Inactive
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    @BrianWatt

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    All with no minds of their own. Just talking monkeys.

    They were forced by Sinclair to do that and several people lost or quit their jobs over it.

    This was a pretty big story in media circles when it went down a couple of years ago.

    Do you see any danger in creating a unified narrative that appears to have the official support of stations affiliated with the different major news networks – CBS, NBC, ABC and Fox across the country? Don’t you think it’s an ominous sign that biased and false narratives can be pushed out as truth and warp viewers sense of reality?

    This is why I can’t stomach news coming out of Britain – because every major TV news service (BBC, Sky, Channel 4) apes the same talking points on climate change/catastrophe and refers to any dissenter concerned about child rape, grooming gangs, free speech or the radical Muslim community as extremely right-wing or bigoted. And the NHS is a sacred entity to be more revered than any faith except perhaps Islam. Are we quickly becoming the UK?

    I also don’t watch my local news for anything on political or international issues because local newscasters are not intelligent people who have spent anytime studying history or world affairs. They are haircuts and hairdos in suits. See also William Hurt’s character in the movie, Broadcast News to get an idea of what I’m talking about. If there’s a fire or earthquake, fine I’ll check in to check the latest info. Other than that, I have better uses for my time.

    I’m sure all of these Sinclair stations and their newscasters also aped the network talking points awarding states still in contention to Biden and are referring to Biden as the President-elect even though none of the states have certified their elections. Not that that would influence or attempt to influence behavior…much.

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  22. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    All with no minds of their own. Just talking monkeys.

    They were forced by Sinclair to do that and several people lost or quit their jobs over it.

    This was a pretty big story in media circles when it went down a couple of years ago.

    Do you see any danger in creating a unified narrative that appears to have the official support of stations affiliated with the different major news networks – CBS, NBC, ABC and Fox across the country? Don’t you think it’s an ominous sign that biased and false narratives can be pushed out as truth and warp viewers sense of reality?

    This is why I can’t stomach news coming out of Britain – because every major TV news service (BBC, Sky, Channel 4) apes the same talking points on climate change/catastrophe and refers to any dissenter concerned about child rape, grooming gangs, free speech or the radical Muslim community as extremely right-wing or bigoted. And the NHS is a sacred entity to be more revered than any faith except perhaps Islam. Are we quickly becoming the UK?

    I also don’t watch my local news for anything on political or international issues because local newscasters are not intelligent people who have spent anytime studying history or world affairs. They are haircuts and hairdos in suits. See also William Hurt’s character in the movie, Broadcast News to get an idea of what I’m talking about. If there’s a fire or earthquake, fine I’ll check in to check the latest info. Other than that, I have better uses for my time.

    I’m sure all of these Sinclair stations and their newscasters also aped the network talking points awarding states still in contention to Biden and are referring to Biden as the President-elect even though none of the states have certified their elections. Not that that would influence or attempt to influence behavior…much.

    In general, I think media consolidation is awful. It’s bad for journalism, it’s bad for consumers, it’s bad for democracy.  The internet has accelerated this trend exponentially because it has stolen the business model of these local stations right out from under them and forced them to sell their stations to huge corporations that can sell ads across dozens of stations. 

    I don’t know (don’t have a Sinclair affiliate here as far as I know and I haven’t watched local news in at least 10 years anyway), but based on what we know about Sinclair’s politics, it seems unlikely that they were pushing the Biden winning the election story. Not the way they roll. 

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  23. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Of course. And if the media had their way – and they usually do – that’s all we would see of Trump. And we usually do.

    Ah, there it is — Trump Mantra: It’s always someone else’s fault.

    Don’t you mean Barry?

    Or did you miss those 8 years of blaming other people for whatever issue he couldn’t figure out that day.

    I made the point that it’s always someone else’s fault with Trump and his supporters and you blamed someone else.

    Thank you.

    I think we both agree that the newscasters shouldn’t have done it. That the message as written out is applicable now in the face of the major networks, Twitter, and Facebook attempting to smother any stories about Hunter, James, and Joe Biden’s business dealings or any credible stories of election fraud is quite remarkable. My guess is that Sinclair and each of its stations have flipped and will now be supporting an incoming Biden administration and attempting to curry favor accordingly. It’s less about ideology and more about crony capitalism.

     

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    In general, I think media consolidation is awful.

    ***B I N G O***

    Then throw in the Big Four. 

    The Constitution can’t function right when the public square is so messed up like this. 

    Amazingly, there are still Republicans and libertarians that don’t get this. 

     

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  25. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    I think we both agree that the newscasters shouldn’t have done it. That the message as written out is applicable now in the face of the major networks, Twitter, and Facebook attempting to smother any stories about Hunter, James, and Joe Biden’s business dealings or any credible stories of election fraud is quite remarkable.

    My guess is that Sinclair and each of its stations have flipped and will now be supporting an incoming Biden administration and attempting to curry favor accordingly. It’s less about ideology and more about crony capitalism.

     

    The point here is that these local stations have no choice in the matter. Edicts and messaging is being handed down from on high. Is the station manager or the news anchor in Ottumwa, Iowa or Mobile, Alabama, or Lewiston, Idaho in a position to quit their jobs over reading a news script?  I would bet not.

    You may be right about capitalism over ideology – I don’t know. But most of the stations Sinclair owns are located in deep red areas, so suddenly switching to Democratic talking points likely wouldn’t play so well to their audience. I doubt that will happen.

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  26. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    I think we both agree that the newscasters shouldn’t have done it. That the message as written out is applicable now in the face of the major networks, Twitter, and Facebook attempting to smother any stories about Hunter, James, and Joe Biden’s business dealings or any credible stories of election fraud is quite remarkable.

    My guess is that Sinclair and each of its stations have flipped and will now be supporting an incoming Biden administration and attempting to curry favor accordingly. It’s less about ideology and more about crony capitalism.

    The point here is that these local stations have no choice in the matter. Edicts and messaging is being handed down from on high. Is the station manager or the news anchor in Ottumwa, Iowa or Mobile, Alabama, or Lewiston, Idaho in a position to quit their jobs over reading a news script? I would bet not.

    You may be right about capitalism over ideology – I don’t know. But most of the stations Sinclair owns are located in deep red areas, so suddenly switching to Democratic talking points likely wouldn’t play so well to their audience. I doubt that will happen.

    Of course, they could follow Fox’s lead.

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  27. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    @ChrisCampion

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Of course. And if the media had their way – and they usually do – that’s all we would see of Trump. And we usually do.

    Ah, there it is — Trump Mantra: It’s always someone else’s fault.

    Don’t you mean Barry?

    Or did you miss those 8 years of blaming other people for whatever issue he couldn’t figure out that day.

    I made the point that it’s always someone else’s fault with Trump and his supporters and you blamed someone else.

    Thank you.

     

    You picked up on that?  So clever!

    When you’re picking up random tools to club politicians you don’t like, I guess any one of them will do.  

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  28. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Of course, they could follow Fox’s lead.

    Fox News made a very bad , very early call on AZ and they should have walked it back, even if the call ultimately turned out to be correct. But there is NO chance Fox News is going to  become some version of MSNBC or CNN. That’s crazy talk.

    Channels like OAN, Newsmax, and network groups like Sinclair would rush in to fill the vacuum left by Fox News if that occurred. But it won’t. You can take that prediction to the bank.

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  29. RufusRJones Member
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    Paul Ryan is on the board of Fox News. One of the Murdoch children  Fox News is rabidly anti-conservative, I think.

    They would be a lot better off with the Flight 93 guy on the board.

    https://omny.fm/shows/the-dan-proft-show/november-6-2020

    vhttps://amgreatness.com/2020/11/11/the-stakes-for-america-talking-with-michael-anton/

     

    The left is for the ultra rich, the corporations, education, the bureaucracy, and the poor.

    The Trump right is for everybody else.

    Then you are left with a residual.

     

     

     

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  30. Brian Watt Inactive
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    @BrianWatt

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Of course, they could follow Fox’s lead.

    Fox News made a very bad , very early call on AZ and they should have walked it back, even if the call ultimately turned out to be correct. But there is NO chance Fox News is going to become some version of MSNBC or CNN. That’s crazy talk.

    Channels like OAN, Newsmax, and network groups like Sinclair would rush in to fill the vacuum left by Fox News if that occurred. But it won’t. You can take that prediction to the bank.

    Jeanine Pirro has already announced she’s moving to Newsmax. Others may follow to Newsmax or OANN. Also:  

    Newsmax viewership is soaring in the wake of a contentious Trump-Biden election and disputed outcome – as millions are leaving Fox News.

    Another sign of that exodus: The Newsmax App has had over 2 million downloads in the month of November.

    Between Nov. 1 and Nov. 13, analytics from Apple’s App Store portal show the app was downloaded nearly 1.4 million times. The app has been downloaded on more than 700,000 Android devices this month.

    Newsmax’s free App has dominated in the Apple iPhone App Store.

    As of Thursday afternoon, Newsmax was listed in the No. 2 position in the news category.

    And from Market Insider:

    Class A shares of Fox News parent company Fox Corp. dropped as much as 6% on Thursday as President Donald Trump retweeted support for its rival right-leaning news networks Newsmax and OANN.

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