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This week, John Yoo, the Ricochet Podcast Senior Election Fraud Analyst and the Joan and Ray Kroc McRib Scholar at Hamburger University sits in for Peter Robinson and kicks the show off with a deep dive on where we stand with all of the current court cases and challenges around the election. Then, Avik Roy (listen to his American Wonk/COVID in 19 podcast right here on Ricochet) stops by to science us on the recent resurgence of COVID cases cropping up across the country. Then, National Review’s Jim Geraghty (do yourself a favor and subscribe to his must read Daily Jolt newsletter) visits for a bit to talk about Georgia, polling, and to drop a few impressions. Finally, mad props to Ricochet member @markcamp for winning the coveted Lileks Post of The Week badge for his tome, Was Perry Mason a Great TV Series? We’ll let you decide. Thanks to all who joined us for the live video version of the show. We apologize for Rob’s sweater.

Music from this week’s show: Don’t Look Back In Anger by Oasis

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  1. kedavis Inactive
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    JennaStocker (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):
    Perry Mason, if nothing else, is a full accounting of mid-century interior design and urban studies; it’s an inadvertent documentary of LA in a way Dragnet never was.

    I’ll take that and raise you a Rockford Files.

    And The Jetsons might out mid-century modern the most mid-century modern, if by imagination innovation alone. Everything was the future, and the future was now!

    Remember, you’re commenting to the guy who has – or at least used to have – the Jetsons “doorbell” as his ring tone…

    But that said, I think James is about to tell you about how Rockford always used the same warehouse in Studio City or wherever it was, and they always drove past the same tree during chase scenes, etc…

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  2. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    I realize there are those on Ricochet who don’t believe that Joe Biden is in serious cognitive decline as is evidenced by his disconnected and meandering thoughts, his forgetfulness, his speech, his flashes of anger, his occasional inability to remember what city or state he’s in.

    I realize that there are those on Ricochet who don’t believe Mr. Biden has made himself and his family rich through pay-to-play graft for decades with businesses in the United States and with foreign powers like Communist China, Ukraine, and Russia; and don’t feel that he will be at all compromised when dealing with adversarial powers.

    I realize that there are those on Ricochet who really don’t care or don’t think it’s that big of deal that Mr. Biden is a vehement supporter of abortion-on-demand. What’s a few million unborn human beings – give or take?

    I realize there may even be those on Ricochet who think that our relationship with the Iranian regime should be reset and the regime sanctions eliminated and the JCPoA restarted and don’t feel the resurgent terrorist regime will be a threat. Never seemed to bother Biden advisor John Kerry.

    I realize there are those on Ricochet who feel that Donald Trump’s efforts to bring peace to the Middle East really don’t amount to much and he may even have been helping to broker peace deals to boost he own ego.

    I realize there are those on Ricochet who aren’t terribly concerned about working men and women and whether they have to pay through the nose for gasoline, or their utilities, or who have lost their businesses that some have worked all their lives to build up, or whether their kids go back to school because lock downs and mandated mask wearing will somehow eliminate the COVID pandemic…because “science”.

    I realize that for the better part of 4 years, some on Ricochet have been so livid that Donald Trump became President in 2017 that they actually bought into a phony Russia Collusion hoax pushed by Hillary Clinton and endorsed by the Obama administration and then cheered on an impeachment circus because the President of the United States was concerned that Mr. Biden was engaged in graft which we’ve come to learn has been more expansive than just his son’s dealings with Burisma. Never mind the lies and corruption and criminality in the DoJ and the FBI that were exposed – Donald Trump had a phone call!!

    I realize that some on Ricochet aren’t terribly concerned whether China makes a move on Taiwan or other nations in their immediate region.

    I realize that some on Ricochet believe that talk that America will become authoritarian and embrace socialism is just crazy talk.

    I realize that some people on Ricochet ought to know better…but don’t.

     

    If you realize all of that then make those points instead of posting a meme.  Because you make all of us look stupid. This isn’t hard. 

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  3. Blue Yeti Admin
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Of course. And if the media had their way – and they usually do – that’s all we would see of Trump. And we usually do.

    Ah, there it is — Trump Mantra: It’s always someone else’s fault.

    Well then you ‘splain it, Lucy. Trump smiles plenty, including at rallies etc. But are the happy photos plastered all over the media? I wonder why not… Oh of course, it’s TRUMP’S fault! He secretly controls all the cameras, and the publishers, and the TV networks… And he only shows weird photos so that voters will hate him! It’s so obvious, once I give it some thought.

    Have you forgotten how the media would take photos of conservative Republican officials with “nude lady justice” in the background, making fun of them?

    Oh, yes — the media is so mean. It’s the reason Republicans can’t win any elections! Oh, wait…

    Yawn. That argument may have had some validity 15-20 years ago when there were far fewer outlets, no social media, and no Conservative media infrastructure. Now it just sounds like whining. Which is what it is.

    I know you refuse to acknowledge it, but Donald J. Trump is solely responsible for his own behavior. If he acts like an ass and it’s broadcast or published, that’s on him, not the media.

    If the election he just lost (yes, I said it: he lost it fair and square) proves anything, it points up that if the President was 10% more disciplined, or 10% a better politician or a person, he would have won this thing walking away. But he didn’t and he’s not. And that’s completely on him. No one else.

    Good night.

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  4. kedavis Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Of course. And if the media had their way – and they usually do – that’s all we would see of Trump. And we usually do.

    Ah, there it is — Trump Mantra: It’s always someone else’s fault.

    Well then you ‘splain it, Lucy. Trump smiles plenty, including at rallies etc. But are the happy photos plastered all over the media? I wonder why not… Oh of course, it’s TRUMP’S fault! He secretly controls all the cameras, and the publishers, and the TV networks… And he only shows weird photos so that voters will hate him! It’s so obvious, once I give it some thought.

    Have you forgotten how the media would take photos of conservative Republican officials with “nude lady justice” in the background, making fun of them?

    Oh, yes — the media is so mean. It’s the reason Republicans can’t win any elections! Oh, wait…

    Yawn. That argument may have had some validity 15-20 years ago when there were far fewer outlets, no social media, and no Conservative media infrastructure. Now it just sounds like whining. Which is what it is.

    No it’s a sign that most people are basically sheep.  If it takes HOMEWORK to find pictures of Trump not scowling, well… ask Rob Long about doing TV homework, if you’ve forgotten.

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  5. Blue Yeti Admin
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    No it’s a sign that most people are basically sheep

    Oh, the irony….

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  6. kedavis Inactive
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    @kedavis

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    I realize there are those on Ricochet who don’t believe that Joe Biden is in serious cognitive decline as is evidenced by his disconnected and meandering thoughts, his forgetfulness, his speech, his flashes of anger, his occasional inability to remember what city or state he’s in.

    I realize that there are those on Ricochet who don’t believe Mr. Biden has made himself and his family rich through pay-to-play graft for decades with businesses in the United States and with foreign powers like Communist China, Ukraine, and Russia; and don’t feel that he will be at all compromised when dealing with adversarial powers.

    I realize that there are those on Ricochet who really don’t care or don’t think it’s that big of deal that Mr. Biden is a vehement supporter of abortion-on-demand. What’s a few million unborn human beings – give or take?

    I realize there may even be those on Ricochet who think that our relationship with the Iranian regime should be reset and the regime sanctions eliminated and the JCPoA restarted and don’t feel the resurgent terrorist regime will be a threat. Never seemed to bother Biden advisor John Kerry.

    I realize there are those on Ricochet who feel that Donald Trump’s efforts to bring peace to the Middle East really don’t amount to much and he may even have been helping to broker peace deals to boost he own ego.

    I realize there are those on Ricochet who aren’t terribly concerned about working men and women and whether they have to pay through the nose for gasoline, or their utilities, or who have lost their businesses that some have worked all their lives to build up, or whether their kids go back to school because lock downs and mandated mask wearing will somehow eliminate the COVID pandemic…because “science”.

    I realize that for the better part of 4 years, some on Ricochet have been so livid that Donald Trump became President in 2017 that they actually bought into a phony Russia Collusion hoax pushed by Hillary Clinton and endorsed by the Obama administration and then cheered on an impeachment circus because the President of the United States was concerned that Mr. Biden was engaged in graft which we’ve come to learn has been more expansive than just his son’s dealings with Burisma. Never mind the lies and corruption and criminality in the DoJ and the FBI that were exposed – Donald Trump had a phone call!!

    I realize that some on Ricochet aren’t terribly concerned whether China makes a move on Taiwan or other nations in their immediate region.

    I realize that some on Ricochet believe that talk that America will become authoritarian and embrace socialism is just crazy talk.

    I realize that some people on Ricochet ought to know better…but don’t.

     

    Not just Ricochet.  Millions/billions more.  Nationally and internationally.

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  7. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    <edited for length>

    I realize that there are those on Ricochet who really don’t care or don’t think it’s that big of deal that Mr. Biden is a vehement supporter of abortion-on-demand. What’s a few million unborn human beings – give or take?

    I realize there may even be those on Ricochet who think that our relationship with the Iranian regime should be reset and the regime sanctions eliminated and the JCPoA restarted and don’t feel the resurgent terrorist regime will be a threat. Never seemed to bother Biden advisor John Kerry.

    I realize there are those on Ricochet who feel that Donald Trump’s efforts to bring peace to the Middle East really don’t amount to much and he may even have been helping to broker peace deals to boost he own ego.

    I realize there are those on Ricochet who aren’t terribly concerned about working men and women and whether they have to pay through the nose for gasoline, or their utilities, or who have lost their businesses that some have worked all their lives to build up, or whether their kids go back to school because lock downs and mandated mask wearing will somehow eliminate the COVID pandemic…because “science”.

    I realize that for the better part of 4 years, some on Ricochet have been so livid that Donald Trump became President in 2017 that they actually bought into a phony Russia Collusion hoax pushed by Hillary Clinton and endorsed by the Obama administration and then cheered on an impeachment circus because the President of the United States was concerned that Mr. Biden was engaged in graft which we’ve come to learn has been more expansive than just his son’s dealings with Burisma. Never mind the lies and corruption and criminality in the DoJ and the FBI that were exposed – Donald Trump had a phone call!!

    I realize that some on Ricochet aren’t terribly concerned whether China makes a move on Taiwan or other nations in their immediate region.

    I realize that some on Ricochet believe that talk that America will become authoritarian and embrace socialism is just crazy talk.

    I realize that some people on Ricochet ought to know better…but don’t.

    If you realize all of that then make those points instead of posting a meme. Because you make all of us look stupid. This isn’t hard.

    Please see my response on the meme specifically. As to my Comment #26 (copied), there are those on Ricochet who are obviously so obsessed with Donald Trump’s personality that they completely ignore all the points I’ve made above. I would say that’s more of sad commentary on Ricochet and makes even a few of Ricochet’s vaunted contributors look more stupid (to borrow your characterization), than the occasional meme I may post that seems to offend certain sensibilities.

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  8. kedavis Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But do you also think what they did with Picard was dumb?

    Mmmmnnnnnn, yeeeessss, and no. We all saw it coming, towards the end, but it does open a door that hadn’t been there for the character before for season 2.

    Well I guess my threshold of suspension of disbelief is lower than yours.  At some point I can accept the transporter even though I “know” that, at least the way they show it, it can’t really be transporting a true individual and their consciousness from one place to another.  It simply destroys the original and creates a copy somewhere else.  Sometimes more than one copy, as we’ve seen in both TOS and TNG.  But the original person, and their actual consciousness/identity, are gone.  

    I also don’t believe, and at this point I wouldn’t even accept as a sci-fi premise, that a person’s consciousness can be transferred into any kind of computer or android, and “live on” as that person.

    And I don’t believe that Picard would think so either.  He would prefer to actually die.

     

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  9. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    <edited for length>

    If you realize all of that then make those points instead of posting a meme. Because you make all of us look stupid. This isn’t hard.

    Please see my response on the meme specifically. As to my Comment #26 (copied), there are those on Ricochet who are obviously so obsessed with Donald Trump’s personality that they completely ignore all the points I’ve made above. I would say that’s more of sad commentary on Ricochet and makes even a few of Ricochet’s vaunted contributors look more stupid (to borrow your characterization), than the occasional meme I may post that seems to offend certain sensibilities.

    Oh, and feel free to address or take issue with any of the points I made in my Comment #26. Here’s your opportunity. Seize it. Or perhaps what I’ve said has a great deal of validity. 

    • #39
  10. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    there are those on Ricochet who can make themselves look so obsessed with Donald Trump’s personality that they completely ignore all the points I’ve made above.

    You know, Ted Kaczynski was a brilliant guy. Shame about his habit of sending mail bombs to innocent people. No, I am not comparing Trump to the Unabomber, just making the point that we should not have to separate the man from his personality. Not in the job he’s got.

    Why is it the American people’s responsibility to give Donald Trump a pass on his behavior? Why can’t HE do something about it? We gave him the Presidency. Isn’t that enough?

    I’m quite sure many people close to the President have repeatedly begged him to turn it down and at the very least, please stop tweeting . He didn’t listen. So the country fired him. Thems the breaks and it’s 100% on him.

    Now I really am stopping for the night.

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  11. Brian Watt Inactive
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    @BrianWatt

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    there are those on Ricochet who can make themselves look so obsessed with Donald Trump’s personality that they completely ignore all the points I’ve made above.

    You know, Ted Kaczynski was a brilliant guy. Shame about his habit of sending mail bombs to innocent people. No, I am not comparing Trump to the Unabomber, just making the point that we should not have to separate the man from his personality. Not in the job he’s got.

    Why is it the American people’s responsibility to give Donald Trump a pass on his behavior? Why can’t HE do something about it? We gave him the Presidency. Isn’t that enough?

    I’m quite sure many people close to the President have repeatedly begged him to turn it down and at the very least, please stop tweeting . He didn’t listen. So the country fired him. Thems the breaks and it’s 100% on him.

    So, you’re essentially dismissing all the points I raised because “My God, the tweets!!”

    If that’s why you think America may have voted him out, you may want to reflect on many of other things that have happened in the last 4 years. I’m just spitballing here, but I’d have to say it’s a smidge more complicated than that. And for all the cult-like obsession you claim that people who support Trump display, you may want to consider that many reluctant Trump supports also not pleased with his occasional tweets or choices of words, also are appreciative of what the man has accomplished while in office that has far surpassed what many of his predecessors accomplished.

    America is at peace. ISIS has been eliminated. The US military has been rebuilt. Iran has been contained. Nato partners actually met their financial obligations for the first time since the alliance was formed. Arab nations are signing peace treaties with Israel. The economy boomed before COVID appeared on the scene and Trump deferred and took the advice of health experts who occasionally offered bad advice. But “My God, the tweets!!”

    He and his family were the target of false accusations about Russia collusion from corrupt and treasonous intelligence officials but “My God, the tweets!!” 

    And you honestly believe that Biden presents a better alternative? You think it’s possible that perhaps Biden just might be more of a loose cannon and more of an SOB than Donald Trump ever was? And much more dangerously incompetent as his pathetic record in office suggests?

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  12. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
    @BrianWatt

    @blueyeti – By the way, I’m a bit tired and am going to toddle off to bed. Thanks for getting my juices flowing though. All the best.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    Maybe universal masking provides some marginal protection against the spread of the Wuhan virus.

    I haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but I read everything I can about this. They don’t have the slightest idea if it changes the coefficient of spread, or if it even makes it worse. 

    I don’t know where it is, but supposedly there is a lawsuit about mask mandates in Federal court. I don’t see how mandates survive under ordinary litigation or ordinary legislative process.

     

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    While I’m thinking about it, I request Dr. Ron Elfenbein for COVID-19 policy analysis. He’s one of the best ones out there but he doesn’t do that much media. I just saw him on Newsmax, yesterday. He had a long interview on Breitbart News  SiriusXM  that was really good.

    He owns one of those private urgent care deals, and I think he’s run for state legislature as sort of a libertarian.

    https://www.chesapeakeergentcare.com/ron-elfenbein-md/ 

    @blueyeti

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  15. kedavis Inactive
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    And you honestly believe that Biden presents a better alternative? You think it’s possible that perhaps Biden just might be more of a loose cannon and more of an SOB than Donald Trump ever was? And much more dangerously incompetent as his pathetic record in office suggests?

    BY may suffer from the same affliction as Gary Robbins and at least some others, in that it doesn’t seem to matter to them if Biden is as bad of an SOB as they claim Trump is or even worse, because he won’t be “OUR” SOB.

    Well, except for Gary and the other “Republicans” who actually voted for Biden.  He will definitely be THEIR SOB.  No matter what they may try to claim.

     

     

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    I heard the Trafalgar Group guy talk about what he does. That is exactly why I think it’s a complete waste of time for anyone to babble about the electorate or polling unless there are some big, obvious trends. All they are doing is extremely complicated guess work. Nobody except another pollster can add any value to what they are saying.

    If you want to listen to a propeller head pollster explain things, that’s fine. If you do anything else it is a complete vortex of wasted time and brain power. You could have used that time to analyze policy or persuade somebody.

     

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  17. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Coming soon (but hopefully, never) in a “catholic” Joe Biden administration, the Sacrament of Submission.

    • #47
  18. RufusRJones Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    I realize that there are those on Ricochet who don’t believe Mr. Biden has made himself and his family rich through pay-to-play graft for decades with businesses in the United States and with foreign powers like Communist China, Ukraine, and Russia; and don’t feel that he will be at all compromised when dealing with adversarial powers.

    The silence from all of the never Trumper’s that fell for the Russia stuff or are so worried about propriety in the White House about these things is unbelievable. The Biden family is so obviously compromised by the Chinese. 

    That whole orbit of people that get money from Pierre Omidyar. Every organization that is on the stage of that Principles First event every year. They are all liars or they just don’t care about the Chinese infiltrating the White House. Heath Mayo didn’t breathe one word about it, and I don’t think any of them did. They just did the bidding of their leftist masters so the money can keep flowing in. 

    Heath Mayo was in a really awkward position because of this, and then also the dock saying that the Lincoln Project was doing. These people are disgusting.

     

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  19. HeavyWater Reagan
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    Yesterday Trump’s legal team was defeated in court in three swing states: Pennsylvania, Arizona and Michigan. 

    At noon yesterday, one of Trump’s attorneys essentially dropped their Sharpie lawsuit in Arizona, saying that 

    Also, 16 federal prosecutors assigned to monitor the 2020 election wrote a letter to Trump’s Attorney General, Bill Barr, that there was no evidence of significant irregularities in the election.  The argument had been that Sharpies cause “ink bleeds” and result in uncounted ballots.  But Trump attorney Kory Langhofer admitted that not enough presidential votes were at stake in the case to affect the outcome of the race.

    At a hearing on Thursday, Mr. Langhofer told the court that the county’s vote count had been affected merely by “good-faith errors,” not by fraud, as President Trump has been claiming for days.

    “We are not saying anyone is trying to steal the election,” Mr. Langhofer said.

    Biden is ahead of Trump in Arizona by more than 11,000 votes.  A Maricopa County elections official testified that only 191 presidential votes in the county might have been affected by Mr. Langhofer’s suit.

    In the afternoon yesterday, a Michigan judge denied an emergency motion filed by Republican poll workers who asked the judge to halt the certification of the vote in Wayne County, Michigan pending an audit of the vote count. 

    Also in the afternoon, the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, in Philadelphia, dealt Trump’s legal team another setback, upholding Pennsylvania’s three-day extension for the deadline to accept mail-in ballots, based on a previous decision made by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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  21. HeavyWater Reagan
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    @HeavyWater

    Here is an excerpt from Andrew McCarthy’s latest column on “Trump’s Post-Election Litigation Crusade.”

    See, the president trails by 55,000 in Pennsylvania. It is anything but clear that all 10,000 late-arriving ballots are Biden votes — a goodly chunk of them could be Trump votes that the president would be knocking out. But even if we suspend disbelief and assume that they’re all Biden votes, the president would still be 45,000 short of flipping the state into his win column.

    This is the president’s fatal problem. No matter which battleground state we analyze, there is always a mismatch between the impropriety alleged and the remedy that it could yield. Where Trump is strongest, as in the Supreme Court case, the yield in votes is a relative pittance. Where Trump’s claims are weaker and hotly disputed, the president is asking for mass disfranchisement, which no court is ever going to order.

    Comments I made about this state of play in a Fox News interview Friday morning irritated some of my Trump-diehard friends. I was asked whether the president should continue pursuing his legal challenges. Of course, it’s not my place to say what the president should do — 71 million people didn’t vote for me, and Donald Trump is absolutely entitled to exercise his legal rights. So, since I wouldn’t presume to say what the president should do, I confined myself to what I would do — which is acknowledge the reality that the election is lost.

    You can read the whole thing here.  https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/trumps-post-election-litigation-crusade/

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    See, the president trails by 55,000 in Pennsylvania.

    Let me make it clear, I don’t think Pennsylvania is decisive. You leave Pennsylvania out, Trump still can’t win. 

    Having said that, I highly recommend that everybody listen to this. Start at one hour 15 minutes. The Democrat party obviously set in motion all kind of bad practices to make sure they could win the states illegitimately. The remedy in Pennsylvania would be to throw out 600,000 ballots at least. The other remedy is for the GOP dominated legislature to select the electors.

     

    https://omny.fm/shows/the-dan-proft-show/november-12-2020#sharing 

     

    The pandemic was a perfect excuse for the Democrat party to enact all kinds of criminal activity and ballot harvesting. We have a Third World election system and it helps the Democrats. 

     

     

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  23. HeavyWater Reagan
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The remedy in Pennsylvania would be to throw out 600,000 ballots at least. The other remedy is for the GOP dominated legislature to select the electors.

    If the election in Pennsylvania gets certified in favor of Joe Biden, does the GOP dominated legislature even have the authority anymore to select a separate slate of electors even as the certification results in Biden’s electors being selected?  

    What I mean is that I thought that if the certification was blocked, then the GOP legislature could select a slate of electors.  But if certification happens, isn’t the GOP legislature just a spectator at that point?

     

     

     

     

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    This whole series about statistical anomalys, needs to be addressed. All of the videos are short.

     

     

     

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The remedy in Pennsylvania would be to throw out 600,000 ballots at least. The other remedy is for the GOP dominated legislature to select the electors.

    If the election in Pennsylvania gets certified in favor of Joe Biden, does the GOP dominated legislature even have the authority anymore to select a separate slate of electors even as the certification results in Biden’s electors being selected?

    What I mean is that I thought that if the certification was blocked, then the GOP legislature could select a slate of electors. But if certification happens, isn’t the GOP legislature just a spectator at that point?

    Yes. That is the way the Constitution is written. 

    The Pennsylvania Democrat party deserves this, but nobody’s going to have the guts to do it.

    I cannot recommend listening to that interview of that lawyer enough. 

    There may be an explanation for the statistical points Steve Cortes is making, but someone has to produce it. 

     

     

     

     

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  26. HeavyWater Reagan
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    @HeavyWater

    Here is more from Andrew McCarthy’s column. 

    Let’s stipulate that the Trump campaign can prove significant instances of impropriety. This, by the way, is a generous assumption. On Friday, Chief Judge Timothy M. Kenny of Michigan’s Third Circuit Court rejected a Republican effort to prevent the certification of votes in Wayne County, which includes Detroit. In so ruling, Judge Kenny found most of the allegations (which also factor into the Trump campaign’s federal lawsuit) to be speculative, based on flawed assumptions, biased, factually incorrect, and/or incredible. Pennsylvania election officials have echoed these critiques in a submission rebutting Trump-campaign allegations in Allegheny and Philadelphia Counties.

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Pennsylvania election officials have echoed these critiques in a submission rebutting Trump-campaign allegations in Allegheny and Philadelphia Counties.

    I am pretty sure the situation is set up so that both the Pennsylvania legislature and the United States Supreme Court can dodge this. I think the Supreme Court said they weren’t going to touch it unless Pennsylvania was decisive. Obviously the Pennsylvania republican legislators aren’t going to touch it unless it’s decisive, and even then who would have the guts to do it? 


    The thing about election fraud, is there aren’t really any systems to really take care of it after the fact like there frequently is with accounting fraud or accounting control fraud or whatever you call it. Act accordingly.

     

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  28. HeavyWater Reagan
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Pennsylvania election officials have echoed these critiques in a submission rebutting Trump-campaign allegations in Allegheny and Philadelphia Counties.

    I am pretty sure the situation is set up so that both the Pennsylvania legislature and the United States Supreme Court can dodge this. I think the Supreme Court said they weren’t going to touch it unless Pennsylvania was decisive. Obviously the Pennsylvania republican legislators aren’t going to touch it unless it’s decisive, and even then who would have the guts to do it?


    The thing about election fraud, is there aren’t really any systems to really take care of it after the fact like there frequently is with accounting fraud or accounting control fraud or whatever you call it. Act accordingly.

    The bottom line is this:  Trump is toast.

    It was an election between a senile man, Joe Biden, and a crazy man, Donald Trump.  The senile man won.  

    It’s not the first time that a substandard person was elected President of the United States.  It won’t be the last time either.

     

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  29. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Pennsylvania election officials have echoed these critiques in a submission rebutting Trump-campaign allegations in Allegheny and Philadelphia Counties.

    I am pretty sure the situation is set up so that both the Pennsylvania legislature and the United States Supreme Court can dodge this. I think the Supreme Court said they weren’t going to touch it unless Pennsylvania was decisive. Obviously the Pennsylvania republican legislators aren’t going to touch it unless it’s decisive, and even then who would have the guts to do it?


    The thing about election fraud, is there aren’t really any systems to really take care of it after the fact like there frequently is with accounting fraud or accounting control fraud or whatever you call it. Act accordingly.

    The bottom line is this: Trump is toast.

    It was an election between a senile man, Joe Biden, and a crazy man, Donald Trump. The senile man won.

    It’s not the first time that a substandard person was elected President of the United States. It won’t be the last time either.

    I am not arguing any of that, for the record, in this discussion. You brought up the litigation angle.

    The Democrat party and the media comprehensively acts in bad faith in elections, and they clearly did in this election. Act accordingly. 

     

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  30. HeavyWater Reagan
    HeavyWater
    @HeavyWater

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    You brought up the litigation angle.

    Trump is losing the litigation battle too.  Badly.

     

     

     

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