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This week, we mix it up across a wide variety of views with guests from all over the right side of the ideological map. First up, AEI’s Christina Hoff Sommers, author of The War Against Boys: How Misguided Policies are Harming Our Young Men. She wrote a Tweet this past week that set social media on fire. So we talk about that. Then, the main event: Charlie Sykes is a longtime time talk radio host in Wisconsin and is the newly minted host the The Daily Standard podcast right here on Ricochet. Charlie and our own Peter Robinson get into on the current occupant of the Oval Office, and well, let’s just say they don’t see eye-to-eye. But they do give a master class in how to disagree civilly. Take notes, people.
Music from this week’s podcast: Why Can’t We Be Friends by War
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I doubt he would’ve won in a 17—->2 national runoff primary. Seventeen is just too much.
…. and we must not forget the Russian collusion of course….But seriously, I did not understand the Trump nomination at all. I did not vote for Trump in the Primary.
My objection to Trump besides the obvious … he’s Donald Trump … was that I thought Trump would get trounced by HRC. I was wrong …. we were all wrong.
Thank God for the RussiansAll I can think of is the other 16 were too limp on issues important to (R) Primary voters, and there were obviously too many (R) candidates cancelling each other out. And the MSM full on open mouth kiss of Trump during the Primary didn’t help the other 16 get any traction ….
…. Or the Republican Party is doomed due to our embrace of Trumpism and we should all retreat to our basement bomb shelters and wait this thing out until the fallout of Trumpism has dissipated.
Shhhh Julia, we don’t ask that question anymore!
Game theory amongst 16 candidates?
Bush family sense of entitlement?
Middle-finger rejection of traditional conservative politicians over immigration and trade (with a game theory assist)?
Rubio’s robotic malfunction and Mike Murphy’s lunacy?
Cruz’s Thank Gawwwwwd creepiness?
John Kasich, nuff said?
The 20% of the primary voters (especially in open primaries) that I kind of despise while complaining that the Never Trumpers despise me??????
Well done, Peter. People who make such claims are confusing politics with religion. It is a pragmatic choice among or between candidates. I and all the Republicans I know voted Cruz in the primary because we did not like or want DJT. We voted Trump without reservation because we are normal, responsible adults, not religious purists. And, it is working out very, very well compared to the other option in this objective reality.
Wow…as I continue to listen, Charlie is losing it. “Orange God King.” Unhinged.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaa-men!
Trade really is screwing some people because of bad government policy. You have to be an idiot to not see this social problems caused our immigration system. So many RINOs don’t get it.
The Bush family needs to go away. Jeb actually got $2 million in board salaries from an insurance company that profited off of Obamacare. Screw that.
No.
lmao. is “a” too far? after Rob f-bombed my daugher, i can do anything, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight?? ;)
But we don’t do it that way. He won in the primaries because many conservatives abandoned their principles.
If you mean Rubio in signing on for the Gang Of Eight, I completely agree!
It wasn’t a debate. It was a shout down. Peter would not let his guest speak. I almost choked when Peter said he that in the interest of being polite, he was going to put himself on mute so Charlie could actually finish a sentence and have the last word. That after Peter had rudely interrupted and shouted him down for the previous fifteen minutes. Politeness — what a strange new concept. If I want to watch a cage match, I’ll watch wrestling.
What principles are you talking about? The GOP doesn’t care about the debt to GDP ratio. They aren’t going to stop the Fed easy money that is making the economy so unfair. They don’t care about finishing off wars. They don’t care about cultural Marxism. So some people wanted Trump. They don’t care about the moralist stuff. We’ve already going over the edge with graft, theft, corruption, rent seeking and cultural Marxism
Agreed. Why oh why does someone like Charlie Sykes repeat the Progressive/ MSM polemic? With the orange god-something comment I conclude that people who talk like this have traded their objectivity in favor of banging out one note of how right they think they are in the corner of Trump hatred, which, is curiously resonant with every single Democrat talking point. For goodness sake, if you are anti-Trump then for the love of all that is holy please discuss issues.
That said, I do prefer a rousing discussion and this was a rousing discussion.
Oh I don’t know. Maybe the principle of not voting for a completely repulsive, ignorant, abusive, degenerate, reality show conman when they had 17 other choices.
Thank you, Charlie. In slight contrast to @karenhumiston, with whom I agree on this thread, your presence on Ricochet is one of the reasons I just renewed my membership.
Too many in the electorate don’t care about any of that anymore —for good reason– IMO.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: what are David Stockman, David Horowitz, Angelo Codavilla, and Victor Davis Hansen wrong about? Nothing.
Fine but don’t get all self righteous when you are called out on it. I still care about it and I think we are paying a price for not caring.
Self righteous and called out about what? I’m just describing the political dynamics caused by bad GOP policy.
Hang on. Peter suddenly just “had to depart”?? With seconds on the clock?? Without so much as a By Your Leave??
Uh huh.
Come on, Blue. Why do you insult me like that? Peter — a very, very bright man with very, very strong opinions on the issues — was obviously ticked off. Understood. But it was bad form for him to bail like that. And I suspect he knows that.
I give you my solemn word that he had a hard out at 9:40am PT. We discussed it before the show. Under normal circumstances, it would not have been a factor. But the show ran long as discussed above.
As evidenced by the comments James made after Charlie concluded, that he could see puffs of smoke rising as he looked to the west, representing the steam rising from under Peter’s collar. Peter was steaming mad and said he had to put himself on mute to keep from interrupting Charlie’s closing comments. Peter did NOT say, “And I won’t be able to return because I have a prior engagement (again, with seconds left?), so I’ll say good bye and thank you.” He just was too angry to continue. At least that’s how it seemed to me.
Edit/Addition:
I just read Blue Yeti’s last comment, so I will have to accept your solemn word. But you must admit — the optics were bad (if one can say that for a podcast).
The GOP of 2006 makes President Trump look positively a saint compared to their levels of corruption.
How quickly we forget.
All right, Blue. But you’ll agree the whole thing does lend itself to misinterpretation, what with Peter uncharacteristically disappearing on the heels of the most heated exchange Ricochet has seen in months. But what you’re suggesting is certainly possible, and I can’t argue with your solemn word. So if you say it happened a certain way, I’m sure it happened just that way, and I apologize for my snark.
Thank you for this, Citizen. You just offered a beautiful statement of my own position. (Right down to voting for Cruz in the primary, which is just what I did.) Not that my position matters. But the position that you and I and many other shares is, as you put it, “normal and responsible,” and not, as NeverTrumpers often suggest, morally deficient. As I say, thanks.
Hmmm.
I’ll add my own solemn word:
Because I had a mid-morning meeting to attend, the night before the podcast I emailed Blue Yeti to explain that I’d have to drop off the podcast, which we would begin recording at 8:30AM, by 9:40AM at the latest. As the Yeti has explained, under ordinary circumstances that would have posed no problem. But–because of fate, fortune, or bad luck–we had trouble with the Internet at the top of the show, delaying our 8:30AM start by something like ten minutes.
Yes, Charlie got my dander up. But he’s a wonderful guy–even friends can get cross with each other in the Age of Trump, for anyone who hadn’t noticed–and I felt bad about dropping off the podcast without thanking him for joining us.
Again, though, I dropped off because I had to.
On my solemn word.
And defending Trump and agreeing that people have good reason for abandoning morality when voting. There are good reasons not to abandon morality when choosing a President. We used to look askance at a person who said she would give Clinton a blowjob herself if he kept abortion freely available (paraphrasing). Now many who condemned that are willing to put up with a man of no character in order to achieve a political agenda.
To Cristina Hoff Sommers’ presentation, the education system being discouraging to men is not new.
I consider that the whole school system, from pre-school on, has been anti-male for a generation or more. Mrs. Tabby and I noted this when our now 29 year old son was in kindergarten and on through elementary school – all the learning exercises and behavioral expectations were geared toward the way girls behave (sitting vs. moving, verbal vs. physical, cooperation vs. competition). Although our son was never afflicted with a diagnosis of “Attention Deficit Disorder,” when we looked at the symptoms the teachers were told to look for, they all were what we called, “being a boy.”
Discouraging men from participation in the advanced educational system begins long before high school or college.
Yes, it is my view that, this is the best shot for moving the Republic forward, given everything we have behind and in front of us.
I still don’t get what I’m being self-righteous about.