Sycophants and Brutuses

Another action packed show: Is the lockdown over or is this just intermission? Hey, did John Bolton write a book? Did the Supreme Court hand down some decisions?

Leading off our guest spots this week is Coleman Hughes who has been on our radar for a while. In this moment, we thought it was high time he was on your’s, too. Be sure and read his essay Stories and Data: Reflections on race, riots, and police at City Journal as we discuss on the show. His other essays are also well worth your time.

Then, Commentary Magazine Senior Editor Abe Greenwald (he of the world famous Commentary Podcast) stops by to discuss The Great Unraveling, the must-read Op-Ed up their site.

Finally, Peter Robinson has his moment on the Wheel, and with the help of Ricochet member @weeping, we say so long to Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima.

Music from this week’s show: Everyday People by Sly and The Family Stone

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  1. SParker Member
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    Ah! Got the Notary Sojac reference.  In Rob’s Movies of 1948 Challenge:  the answer is Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House.  Louise Beavers plays Gussie who comes with something like “If it ain’t Wham, you ain’t eatin’ ham!” for ad man Mr. Blandings (Cary Grant) suffering from a bad case of sloganeer’s block.

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  2. Bishop Wash Member
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    Cancel Yale is trending this weekend on Twitter. Would be good to get Rob’s thoughts next week.

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  3. James Lileks Contributor
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    Happy Wonderer (View Comment):

    Rob thinks it’s perfectly likely that the US President (Trump) gave explicit approval of President Xi’s building of reeducation/internment camps. Peter and James don’t push back at that underlying idea. Peter points out Lighthizer’s denial, but goes no further. I’m left to conclude that they agree with that or don’t feel comfortable disagreeing with it on the podcast.

    That’s outrageous. (snip)

    The three hosts have nuked all respect I had for them, Rob most especially.

    I didn’t say anything because I didn’t know enough to agree or disagree with any confidence, and the moment passed. I’m not going to push back on everything everyone says. My general assumption is that it is entirely possible Trump said something regrettable.  and it is entirely possible and perhaps even more likely that the statement reported was wrong, or lacking context. 

    The secret to sanity for a lot of us consists of tuning out the words and concentrating on the actions. 

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Cancel Yale is trending this weekend on Twitter. Would be good to get Rob’s thoughts next week.

    They’ll just change the name, at most.

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  5. David Guaspari Member
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    SParker (View Comment):

    Ah! Got the Notary Sojac reference. In Rob’s Movies of 1948 Challenge: the answer is Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House. Louise Beavers plays Gussie who comes with something like “If it ain’t Wham, you ain’t eatin’ ham!” for ad man Mr. Blandings (Cary Grant) suffering from a bad case of sloganeer’s block.

    You forgot to mention where it comes from: the comic strip Smokey Stover.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Dr.Guido (View Comment):
    brag about being trained Marxists (The founders of BLM)

    Mark Levin covered this very well on Friday. It started 3/4 of the way into the first hour and went into the second hour. The podcast is free.

    BLM has to be exposed, and fast. Tolerating these guys is going to be a disaster.

     

     

     

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    Well, this is quite a tweet. GOPe campaign operative from MSNBC. Project Lincoln grifter. 

    Julie Kelly was on Dennis Prager last week. All of those grifters are living off of Pierre Omidyar. I’m pretty sure that guy is funding the whole Principles First group. She didn’t say that directly but you could kind of infer it if you combine it with other things. What I didn’t know was Omidyar shovels money into the kooky “libertarian” Nikanin Center, which Bill Kristol et. al. glommed on to right after Trump won. 

    Vote GOPe!

     

     

     

     

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  8. J Ro Member
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    Happy Wonderer (View Comment):

    Rob thinks it’s perfectly likely that the US President (Trump) gave explicit approval of President Xi’s building of reeducation/internment camps. Peter and James don’t push back at that underlying idea. Peter points out Lighthizer’s denial, but goes no further. I’m left to conclude that they agree with that or don’t feel comfortable disagreeing with it on the podcast.

    That’s outrageous. Even knowing that FDR built actual internment camps in the US for Japanese-Americans I wouldn’t ever think it “perfectly likely” that he explicitly ‘approved’ Stalin’s gulags rather than accepted that there was nothing the US could do about them short of invading the USSR and overthrowing the communists. I’ve never felt that way about any President I’ve voted for, or even any of those I voted against (like Trump).

    The three hosts have nuked all respect I had for them, Rob most especially.

    Returning home in a Carrier Battle Group from a long deployment in the Persian Gulf, we stopped in (British) Hong Kong where the locals sponsored a big social for all the American officers. Those were the days! The Brits knew we had been isolated from alcohol and women for some unnatural length of time. At the party I met an interesting lady who told me her important mission was to monitor and protect Muslins in Western China.

    “What? The PRC has Muslim problems, too?” I thought. “That will keep them busy while we deal with our never ending Muslim problems in the Middle East, Africa, Eastern Europe, South and SE Asia.”

    One doesn’t have to be a Hollywood comedy writer to imagine Trump and Xi comparing and complaining to each other about their Muslim problems* and agreeing to stay out of each other’s Muslim business in order to smooth and simplify their trade negotiations. And it doesn’t bother me much at all.

    *Xi: These Muslims just won’t assimilate. And they deface our Buddhist art treasures!

    Trump: Have you considered building a yuge wall?

     

     

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  9. civiltwilight Inactive
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    I wrote about watching GWTW with my teenage son a while back and he nailed it perfectly: it’s a Hallmark movie with a Civil War in it.

    The truth is that most “entertainment” is mindless, especially motion pictures and television. It’s all stereotypes. The less you have to explain to people the better it works. All we’ve done is change the bodies around. The shiftless and the lazy cannot be black. The buffoon is now usually the white middle class dad.

    As for GWTW, I never saw the appeal of Scarlett O’Hara. She was a miserable person who took the misery of her unrequited love out on everyone else just to make them as miserable as she was. The only moment everyone really identifies with is Gable’s walk off after he tells her he doesn’t give a damn what happens to her. (Which is where Alexandra Ripley’s sequel fails so badly – we all know Rhett wasn’t ever coming back.)

    No matter.  Not my favorite movie either.  But it doesn’t deserve the notoriety.  Take the advice of another commenter and listen to Andrew Klavan’s take on the movie.  There is more depth in the plot than I thought.  Are we canceling things now because they are not our cup of tea?  Corporations can do what they want to with their brands.  But when Netflix does not offer something – because certain segments of the population are “outraged”, that is bad for free speech.  A lot of what Netflix produces offends me.  I can chose to not watch it.  Censorship does nothing to change the culture.

     

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  10. civiltwilight Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Happy Wonderer (View Comment):

    Rob thinks it’s perfectly likely that the US President (Trump) gave explicit approval of President Xi’s building of reeducation/internment camps. Peter and James don’t push back at that underlying idea. Peter points out Lighthizer’s denial, but goes no further. I’m left to conclude that they agree with that or don’t feel comfortable disagreeing with it on the podcast.

    That’s outrageous. (snip)

    The three hosts have nuked all respect I had for them, Rob most especially.

    I didn’t say anything because I didn’t know enough to agree or disagree with any confidence, and the moment passed. I’m not going to push back on everything everyone says. My general assumption is that it is entirely possible Trump said something regrettable. and it is entirely possible and perhaps even more likely that the statement reported was wrong, or lacking context.

    The secret to sanity for a lot of us consists of tuning out the words and concentrating on the actions.

    @jameslileks

    I do love your ribbing of Rob as some out of touch older rich (ish) white guy living in a New York coop wearing a monocle and silk smoking jacket while misting his plants.  Stay safe.  Your city is not in a good way.  Stay free as well.

    —Lisa&

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  11. Fresch Fisch Coolidge
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    There are a few organizations in Minneapolis/St Paul that are trying to collect the plywood used to board up businesses to recycle/reuse.

    Shouldn’t they be hanging on to this plywood in case the jury doesn’t provide the correct verdict or if someone gets relected?

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  12. Arahant Member
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    Fresch Fisch (View Comment):
    Shouldn’t they be hanging on to this plywood in case the jury doesn’t provide the correct verdict or if someone gets relected?

    Very good idea.

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  13. Taras Coolidge
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    Dr.Guido (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Dr.Guido (View Comment):

    Merrijane (View Comment):

    It’s funny, but after listening to every conservative podcast under the sun wrap up on this week from The Dispatch to Ricochet (and its extended universe) to Commentary to Bulwark, etc. etc., this podcast left me feeling least optimistic. It didn’t used to be that way.

    @merrijane Hmm…I felt the opposite. In my mid 70s I’ve been around for @ 30% of the life of The American experiment and…I am approaching despair.

    I think you actually agree with her. She said the LEAST optimistic.

    I am embarrassed…I believe you are correct and I thank you.

    @merrijane — “from The Dispatch to Ricochet … to Commentary to Bulwark”:  these are not representative of the conservative movement today.  Not even Ricochet, where the leadership is anti-Trump while the members are overwhelmingly pro-Trump (based on the number of “likes” different comments get, every time an argument erupts).

    It’s as if people who claimed to be abolitionists had spent 1864 tearing down and bad mouthing Abraham Lincoln.  I’m sure people like that existed, and were given thousands of column inches in the Democratic press.

    At some point, one would be forced to conclude that it was reasonable to describe such people as “fake abolitionists”.

     

     

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  14. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Happy Wonderer (View Comment):

    Rob thinks it’s perfectly likely that the US President (Trump) gave explicit approval of President Xi’s building of reeducation/internment camps. Peter and James don’t push back at that underlying idea. Peter points out Lighthizer’s denial, but goes no further. I’m left to conclude that they agree with that or don’t feel comfortable disagreeing with it on the podcast.

    That’s outrageous. Even knowing that FDR built actual internment camps in the US for Japanese-Americans I wouldn’t ever think it “perfectly likely” that he explicitly ‘approved’ Stalin’s gulags rather than accepted that there was nothing the US could do about them short of invading the USSR and overthrowing the communists. I’ve never felt that way about any President I’ve voted for, or even any of those I voted against (like Trump).

    The three hosts have nuked all respect I had for them, Rob most especially.

    I agree completely.  I bailed out and deleted this episode at that point. I will do the same going forward. Unless there is a compelling guest, I’ll mostly skip the weeks where Rob is present.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):
    I’ll mostly skip the weeks where Rob is present.

    That will be almost all of them, since Rob is a regular co-host.

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  16. Headedwest Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    I’ll mostly skip the weeks where Rob is present.

    That will be almost all of them, since Rob is a regular co-host.

    Yup.

     

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    I’ll mostly skip the weeks where Rob is present.

    That will be almost all of them, since Rob is a regular co-host.

    Yup.

    It would be a shame to miss James, though.  He’s the best part of all of these, even if Rob is there too.

     

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  18. Headedwest Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    I’ll mostly skip the weeks where Rob is present.

    That will be almost all of them, since Rob is a regular co-host.

    Yup.

    It would be a shame to miss James, though. He’s the best part of all of these, even if Rob is there too.\\

    Yes, but on balance my life will be more peaceful.  Addition by subtraction, you might say.

     

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    I’ll mostly skip the weeks where Rob is present.

    That will be almost all of them, since Rob is a regular co-host.

    Yup.

    It would be a shame to miss James, though. He’s the best part of all of these, even if Rob is there too.\\

    Yes, but on balance my life will be more peaceful. Addition by subtraction, you might say.

    Missing James just to avoid Rob is too high a price.

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