Shut Up When You’re Talking to Me

What can we say? We enjoy a good time on Ricochet, and today’s episode is no exception. After slogging through Fauci emails, the guys get to chat with London’s honorable firebrand, Laurence Fox. He goes over the silver lining of his lost bid for mayor, and his future as an actor-turned-outspoken-conservative. Then Rob and James muse over a piece in The Atlantic on America’s drinking problem, and the boys side with happy hour! So take a seat, pour yourself a cocktail and enjoy another complimentary show from the best place for conversation online. (Join Ricochet for goodness’ sake!) And congratulations to @iWe for taking home the coveted Lilek’s Post of the Week for his post My Uber Hijacker.

Music from this week’s episode:  Baker Street by Gerry Rafferty

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    there were vending machines for beer on public streets

    I remember people talking about this when I was a kid. OMG JAPAN IS SO AWSOME THEY HAVE BEER IN THE VENDING MACHINES. lol

    Years ago there was an episode of Donahue where the guest was the author of a then-new book called Japanese Jive. One part of the book – and of the show – dealt with the large use of vending machines in Japan, and some of the things sold in them. Including underpants that had been worn by young girls. Apparently they were quite popular with businessmen.

    I’ve read that the underpants thing is a myth.

     

    As I recall, the guy on Donahue had photos.  Might have been photos in the book too.

    He also brought with him some of the items he’d bought, including a package of “hot fries” that showed an illustration of cartoon character Andy Capp blowing a flaming fart-hole through the bottom of his pants.

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  2. J Ro Member
    J Ro
    @JRo

    The opening conversation comparing “Big Pharma” and “Big Government” was right out of a classic book by Ludwig von Mises. From the intro at the Online Library of Liberty, where the text is available:

    “Originally published by Yale University Press in 1944, Bureaucracy is a classic fundamental examination of the nature of bureaucracies and free markets in juxtaposition to various political systems. Bureaucracy contrasts the two forms of economic management—that of a free market economy and that of a bureaucracy. In the market economy entrepreneurs are driven to serve consumers by their desire to earn profits and to avoid losses. In a bureaucracy, the managers must comply with orders issued by the legislative body under which they operate; they may not spend without authorization and they may not deviate from the path prescribed by law.”

    Lately the American bureaucracy seems so big and well funded, and so politicized, they don’t feel they have to follow the path prescribed by law. The Swamp badly needs draining. 

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  3. La Tapada Member
    La Tapada
    @LaTapada

    Let’s have more of Laurence Fox. And let’s have more U.S. politicians who talk like him!

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  4. Wolfsheim Member
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    @Wolfsheim

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    there were vending machines for beer on public streets

    I remember people talking about this when I was a kid. OMG JAPAN IS SO AWSOME THEY HAVE BEER IN THE VENDING MACHINES. lol

    Years ago there was an episode of Donahue where the guest was the author of a then-new book called Japanese Jive. One part of the book – and of the show – dealt with the large use of vending machines in Japan, and some of the things sold in them. Including underpants that had been worn by young girls. Apparently they were quite popular with businessmen.

    Yes, I can testify to having once seen an underwear machine, though I have no idea how “popular” such devices (or vices) were. In any case, they are long gone.

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  5. Wolfsheim Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    (I am ashamed to say that, as a professor, I used to drink on semi-official occasions with students who were under 20.

    None of that stuff comes down from the sky on stone tablets. The drinking age in the US was 18 for a long time, and even younger in the past.

    I agree. In Germany, teenagers are typically allowed by their parents to enjoy a little wine or beer…A German friend tells me of visiting Las Vegas with his family, including children over 21. He was highly indignant when a waitress refused to serve his daughter wine because she had left her age-verifying passport in her room…

    Years ago a colleague of mine, though hardly himself a blue-nose, quite reasonably noted that we should not be supporting parties whose primary purpose was getting sloshed. Eventually, they were quietly abolished, with no-alcohol parties being held in quiet rooms on campus–with free food. The result? The students failed to organize any event or simply didn’t show up.

     

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  6. Wolfsheim Member
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    @Wolfsheim

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    there were vending machines for beer on public streets

    I remember people talking about this when I was a kid. OMG JAPAN IS SO AWSOME THEY HAVE BEER IN THE VENDING MACHINES. lol

    Years ago there was an episode of Donahue where the guest was the author of a then-new book called Japanese Jive. One part of the book – and of the show – dealt with the large use of vending machines in Japan, and some of the things sold in them. Including underpants that had been worn by young girls. Apparently they were quite popular with businessmen.

    I’ve read that the underpants thing is a myth.

    As I’ve noted elsewhere, it’s not a myth, but, unfortunately, such stories tend to be exaggerated, partly because portraying Japan as somehow “weird” is entertaining and partly because it seems to be politically acceptable to demonize Japanese men, especially those in the corporate world, as perverts. 

     

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    there were vending machines for beer on public streets

    I remember people talking about this when I was a kid. OMG JAPAN IS SO AWSOME THEY HAVE BEER IN THE VENDING MACHINES. lol

    Years ago there was an episode of Donahue where the guest was the author of a then-new book called Japanese Jive. One part of the book – and of the show – dealt with the large use of vending machines in Japan, and some of the things sold in them. Including underpants that had been worn by young girls. Apparently they were quite popular with businessmen.

    Yes, I can testify to having once seen an underwear machine, though I have no idea how “popular” such devices (or vices) were. In any case, they are long gone.

    I’m sure the well-off businessmen have much more discreet sources now.

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  8. FredGoodhue Coolidge
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    Wolfsheim (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    (I am ashamed to say that, as a professor, I used to drink on semi-official occasions with students who were under 20.

    None of that stuff comes down from the sky on stone tablets. The drinking age in the US was 18 for a long time, and even younger in the past.

    I agree. In Germany, teenagers are typically allowed by their parents to enjoy a little wine or beer…A German friend tells me of visiting Las Vegas with his family, including children over 21. He was highly indignant when a waitress refused to serve his daughter wine because she had left her age-verifying passport in her room…

    Years ago a colleague of mine, though hardly himself a blue-nose, quite reasonably noted that we should not be supporting parties whose primary purpose was getting sloshed. Eventually, they were quietly abolished, with no-alcohol parties being held in quiet rooms on campus–with free food. The result? The students failed to organize any event or simply didn’t show up.

     

    Back when I was in college, I would not be interested in an event with no booze.  Now, an event with free food would attract me.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Wolfsheim (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Wolfsheim (View Comment):
    there were vending machines for beer on public streets

    I remember people talking about this when I was a kid. OMG JAPAN IS SO AWSOME THEY HAVE BEER IN THE VENDING MACHINES. lol

    Years ago there was an episode of Donahue where the guest was the author of a then-new book called Japanese Jive. One part of the book – and of the show – dealt with the large use of vending machines in Japan, and some of the things sold in them. Including underpants that had been worn by young girls. Apparently they were quite popular with businessmen.

    I’ve read that the underpants thing is a myth.

    As I’ve noted elsewhere, it’s not a myth, but, unfortunately, such stories tend to be exaggerated, partly because portraying Japan as somehow “weird” is entertaining and partly because it seems to be politically acceptable to demonize Japanese men, especially those in the corporate world, as perverts.

     

    Harvey Weinstein et al show that it’s not just Japanese businessmen, but at least for a while they seemed to be more open about it.

    • #39
  10. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Remind me again, who was it that removed the regulatory hurdles to allow Big Pharma to move at warp speed?

    Might have to praise him so not gonna talk about him. 

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  11. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
    Rightfromthestart
    @Rightfromthestart

    The Fox family have several generations of actors I wonder if the viscous SOBs will extend the blackball to his children if they go into that field 

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  12. Percival Thatcher
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I bet James could tell plenty of stories about working and meeting famous people in Dinkytown.

    Oh, I can. ;) Jackson Browne showed up one night after a concert and took all the waitresses in his limo for a ride. When he returned later, he tried to use the employee staircase to go upstairs to the restaurant, and was informed he could not do so by Mehdi, a waiter who would later make the unwise decision to return to his native Iran after Khomeini took power. Jackson Browne said “do you know who I am?” And Mehdi said “I don’t give a bleep who are, you can’t come up the stairs.” Pretty sure he knew exactly who he was. Especially after the waitress incident.

    See, there’s your book! Or movie, or whatever you guys were talking about.

    It was already a book: “Graveyard Special.” I can’t recall what I called the singer. I left out the episodes where I got drugs for David Byrne, though.

    (aspirins)

    Acetylsalicylic acid. That makes you sound like a playa.

    • #42
  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I bet James could tell plenty of stories about working and meeting famous people in Dinkytown.

    Oh, I can. ;) Jackson Browne showed up one night after a concert and took all the waitresses in his limo for a ride. When he returned later, he tried to use the employee staircase to go upstairs to the restaurant, and was informed he could not do so by Mehdi, a waiter who would later make the unwise decision to return to his native Iran after Khomeini took power. Jackson Browne said “do you know who I am?” And Mehdi said “I don’t give a bleep who are, you can’t come up the stairs.” Pretty sure he knew exactly who he was. Especially after the waitress incident.

    See, there’s your book! Or movie, or whatever you guys were talking about.

    It was already a book: “Graveyard Special.” I can’t recall what I called the singer. I left out the episodes where I got drugs for David Byrne, though.

    (aspirins)

    Acetylsalicylic acid. That makes you sound like a playa.

    I know where you learned that!

     

    • #43
  14. Ausonius Member
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    No one should want any Big Business running anything.  They are nothing but huge bureaucracies who have cornered a particular market and which are structured to enrich upper management, not to mention proselytize their employees, vendors, and anyone else they can capture with their “corporate culture”.  Rob’s inability to make distinctions is astounding.

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  15. Taras Coolidge
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    Ausonius (View Comment):

    No one should want any Big Business running anything. They are nothing but huge bureaucracies who have cornered a particular market and which are structured to enrich upper management, not to mention proselytize their employees, vendors, and anyone else they can capture with their “corporate culture”. Rob’s inability to make distinctions is astounding.

    I avoid Amazon like the plague, and urge others to do likewise.

    But there’s no question it’s really good at online retailing, which is how it got so big in the first place.

    • #45
  16. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    I think Amazon is mostly a creature of the Fed and the financial system. They can buy any competitor they want with floated debt and their stock goes up every time. That is screwed up. If we had natural interest rates for the last 25 years that would never happen. Then they have all kinds of surveillance on their partners. Now they just have insane leverage over everybody. Horrible.

    • #46
  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think Amazon is mostly a creature of the Fed and the financial system. They can buy any competitor they want with floated debt and their stock goes up every time. That is screwed up. If we had natural interest rates for the last 25 years that would never happen. Then they have all kinds of surveillance on their partners. Now they just have insane leverage over everybody. Horrible.

    My favorite trick is to find something I want/need using amazon.com, from a third-party seller.  Then I find that seller’s own web site, if they have one, and buy from there instead.  That supports the actual seller/vendor more directly, and I usually get a better price because amazon doesn’t take a “cut.”

    • #47
  18. Taras Coolidge
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    @Taras

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think Amazon is mostly a creature of the Fed and the financial system. They can buy any competitor they want with floated debt and their stock goes up every time. That is screwed up. If we had natural interest rates for the last 25 years that would never happen. Then they have all kinds of surveillance on their partners. Now they just have insane leverage over everybody. Horrible.

    My favorite trick is to find something I want/need using amazon.com, from a third-party seller. Then I find that seller’s own web site, if they have one, and buy from there instead. That supports the actual seller/vendor more directly, and I usually get a better price because amazon doesn’t take a “cut.”

    I plan to be doing exactly that tonight.

    • #48
  19. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    @blueyeti

    Guest request. Michael Yon. His coverage of the immigration surge at the Darien Gap in Panama is riveting. According to Yon, 10,000 people crossed in May and 10% of them were killed in the jungle.

    https://audioboom.com/posts/7877155-risking-the-darien-gap-jungle-ten-thousand-migrants-a-month-from-all-continents-men-mothers-ch

    https://audioboom.com/posts/7879663-upriver-and-into-the-darien-gap-with-congressman-tom-tiffany-michael-yon-patreon-com

    Representative Tom Tiffany would be good, too. He canoed three hours into the jungle to see what was going on.

    • #49
  20. The Girlie Show Member
    The Girlie Show
    @CatIII

    Good on Lileks for attempting to explain Dril to two old men. For those not in the know, here’s the tweets mentioned in the podcast:

    Those two are the most famous because of their utility as reactions to other tweets, but they’re far from his best. A (COC compliant) sampling:

    And a recent hit:

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