One Hit Wonders

Welcome to the first podcast of the new decade*, the new year, and Ricochet’s 10th anniversary year! Great, we won’t have to write that again. This week, Ricochet Podcast Chief Impeachment Pundit and McRib Analyst John Yoo sits in for Rob Long to parse impeachment, the legal issues surrounding the Iran crisis, and we’ve got Luke Thompson, the Smartest Political Consultant in America in the guest slot to give us an overview on Iowa, New Hampshire, Bernie-mentum, how the Republican hold the Senate and maybe even take back the House. Finally, thanks to @gumbymark‘s post One-Hit Wonders of the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s  (this week’s Lileks Post of The Week winner)  we choose our favorite one hitters. What’t yours? Also, Megxit is a thing and we tell you why it probably won’t happen.

Music from this week’s show: I Ran (So Far Away) by A Flock of Seagulls

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  1. Taras Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Can you guys help me with something? There are about a million people on Twitter that think this point is cogent:

    When you search it on Twitter, there’s literally nothing except an interview with Clapper who is under suspicion for spying on Trump.

    I think Trump’s point was he was mad at them for spying on him, and face it, the CIA is notorious for screwing up. There are plenty of smart people that aren’t libertarians are very dubious of the Intel community’s competence. That is just a fact.

    I think it’s pretty stupid and there certainly isn’t much information about it that supports their point.

    Diane Feinstein? Frank Church?

    During the Cold War, thousands of leftists like Matt Lewis “would disparage our intel community” every day.

    Famously, Ronald Reagan questioned the CIA’s estimates of the Soviet economy when he first entered office – and he turned out to be right.

    But Reagan didn’t have “other intel sources” I expect he really just knew – instinctively? – that communism couldn’t be as successful as the CIA was claiming. That’s what he was right about. But without “evidence” the left had an easy time mocking him. Similar to the “The 80s wants their foreign policy back” from Obama to Romney about Russia.

    I forget the details but there was a neocon at the University of Chicago that talked him into it. There was like one guy in the whole country that knew it if he turned up the heat the USSR would collapse.

    The Chicago neocon must have just “believed” it too. Where could any solid evidence have come from?

    I think it was something about his opinion of their GDP numbers or what the CIA thought of their GDP numbers. Your basic bureaucrat at the CIA isn’t going to do that.

    Like I said I forget the details but I’m pretty sure it’s true. It was a smart guy with a bold interpretation of data.

    According to an account I heard a few months ago, Reagan told the CIA to assume the numbers they were stealing off the conference table at the Politburo were unreliable.  

    Instead, figure out what the Soviet economy would look like if it were collapsing, and then see if it actually looked like that.

    It did.  This gave Reagan the confidence to proceed with the Cold War policy that he had first described in a 1963 letter.

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  2. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Coolidge
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    Taras (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Can you guys help me with something? There are about a million people on Twitter that think this point is cogent:

    When you search it on Twitter, there’s literally nothing except an interview with Clapper who is under suspicion for spying on Trump.

    I think Trump’s point was he was mad at them for spying on him, and face it, the CIA is notorious for screwing up. There are plenty of smart people that aren’t libertarians are very dubious of the Intel community’s competence. That is just a fact.

    I think it’s pretty stupid and there certainly isn’t much information about it that supports their point.

    Diane Feinstein? Frank Church?

    During the Cold War, thousands of leftists like Matt Lewis “would disparage our intel community” every day.

    Famously, Ronald Reagan questioned the CIA’s estimates of the Soviet economy when he first entered office – and he turned out to be right.

    But Reagan didn’t have “other intel sources” I expect he really just knew – instinctively? – that communism couldn’t be as successful as the CIA was claiming. That’s what he was right about. But without “evidence” the left had an easy time mocking him. Similar to the “The 80s wants their foreign policy back” from Obama to Romney about Russia.

    I forget the details but there was a neocon at the University of Chicago that talked him into it. There was like one guy in the whole country that knew it if he turned up the heat the USSR would collapse.

    The Chicago neocon must have just “believed” it too. Where could any solid evidence have come from?

    I think it was something about his opinion of their GDP numbers or what the CIA thought of their GDP numbers. Your basic bureaucrat at the CIA isn’t going to do that.

    Like I said I forget the details but I’m pretty sure it’s true. It was a smart guy with a bold interpretation of data.

    According to an account I heard a few months ago, Reagan told the CIA to assume the numbers they were stealing off the conference table at the Politburo were unreliable.

    Instead, figure out what the Soviet economy would look like if it were collapsing, and then see if it actually looked like that.

    It did. This gave Reagan the confidence to proceed with the Cold War policy that he had first described in a 1963 letter.

    Fortunately Reagan had an ally at CIA with his appointee William Casey who knew how to work the bureaucracy. 

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  3. Blue Yeti Admin
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    If Ricochet gave Steve Bannon 20 minutes on the flagship right now, the world would be a better place and I mean that.

    One, he has his own show. Two, why would it make the world a better place? 

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  4. J Ro Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    In the 1960s you can find Reagan making the simple proposition that the Soviet economy could not be as strong as they said it was because as a totally state controlled economy it could not be efficient and productive. He was right.

    It’s as if you presented a physicist with apparently ironclad proof that a perpetual motion machine works.

    Similarly, when the CIA told Reagan all about the great economic growth going on in the Soviet Union, he knew enough free market economics to know there’s got to be something fishy going on.

    Reagan was also listening to the refuseniks and the dissenters, where Democrats preferred to listen to Soviet government officials. If the Soviet economy was going so well, Reagan asked, why were people lined up around the block for toilet paper?

    Memory from a visit to Vladivostok a couple of years after the dissolution of the Soviet Union: I changed money but there was nothing to buy! Department store shelves literally empty. Of course the narrative will say there was a severe decline in economic conditions and a noticeable increase in poverty, unemployment, etc. with the end of Communism. 

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    I had a picture thing of it, but can’t find it now.

    “In communist countries, people wait for food.  In capitalist countries, food waits for people.”

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  6. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    If Ricochet gave Steve Bannon 20 minutes on the flagship right now, the world would be a better place and I mean that.

    One, he has his own show. Two, why would it make the world a better place?

    I suppose Steve and Rob could debate the merits of ‘Seinfeld’ versus ‘Cheers’ .

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  7. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    I had a picture thing of it, but can’t find it now.

    “In communist countries, people wait for food. In capitalist countries, food waits for people.”

    25+ Best Memes About Socialism | Socialism Memes

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I had a picture thing of it, but can’t find it now.

    “In communist countries, people wait for food. In capitalist countries, food waits for people.”

    25+ Best Memes About Socialism | Socialism Memes

    That’s one.  There is another I have, somewhere, that says something like “Are you ready to try the great socialism?” or something like that, and it’s kind of an aerial view of people lined up outside some kind of grocery store, not just a line out the door but zig-zagging maybe even all the way around the building…

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  9. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    There is another I have, somewhere, that says something like “Are you ready to try the great socialism?” or something like that, and it’s kind of an aerial view of people lined up outside some kind of grocery store, not just a line out the door but zig-zagging maybe even all the way around the building…

    Not quite what you describe, but…

    25+ Best Memes About Socialist | Socialist Memes

    Or…

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  10. Capt. Spaulding Member
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    To get serious for a moment, Ritchie Valens was not a one-hit wonder. Bet even John Yoo would recognize “Donna.” 

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  11. Taras Coolidge
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    Capt. Spaulding (View Comment):

    To get serious for a moment, Ritchie Valens was not a one-hit wonder. Bet even John Yoo would recognize “Donna.”

    I knew he had another hit, but I couldn’t remember the title.

    Considering that Valens was four months short of his 18th birthday when he died, if he were a one-hit wonder, he would have a pretty good excuse.

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  12. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Capt. Spaulding (View Comment):

    To get serious for a moment, Ritchie Valens was not a one-hit wonder. Bet even John Yoo would recognize “Donna.”

    Technically, neither was Bananarama. 

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  13. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Capt. Spaulding (View Comment):

    To get serious for a moment, Ritchie Valens was not a one-hit wonder. Bet even John Yoo would recognize “Donna.”

    Technically, neither was Bananarama.

    Bananarama was a 2 1/2-hit wonder — “Venus” and “Cruel Summer” were under their name, but Fun Boy Three got credit for “It Ain’t What You Do (It’s the Way that You Do It)”, even though Bannarama sang the hook to the song:

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  14. Charlotte Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Nobody else noticed – or at least has commented yet – that this week’s closing (also supposedly one-hit-wonder) is… I RAN. IRAN???

     

    I noticed.

    Q: So, how did you get to Persia?

    A: I ran!

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  15. James Lileks Contributor
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Technically, neither was Bananarama.

    Bananarama was a 2 1/2-hit wonder — “Venus” and “Cruel Summer” were under their name,

    I believe I addressed this matter in the podcast, he said sniffily. They were huge in England – over 25 singles charted, so hardly one-hit. But to me they’re more formula Stock-Aitken-Waterman product. 

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Technically, neither was Bananarama.

    Bananarama was a 2 1/2-hit wonder — “Venus” and “Cruel Summer” were under their name,

    I believe I addressed this matter in the podcast, he said sniffily. They were huge in England – over 25 singles charted, so hardly one-hit. But to me they’re more formula Stock-Aitken-Waterman product.

    James!  Wonderful to see you chime in again.

    I think it’s the same for Republica which I mentioned, among others.  But I can’t be responsible for knowing the top 20, 40, or 100 all over the world.

    This appeared to be very popular too, “across the pond,” but I never ever heard of it before.

    Republica – From Rush Hour With Love

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    After listening again, it seems to me that too many things “shock” Peter Robinson.  

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  18. Miffed White Male Member
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    I have to disagree with John Yoo.  I don’t think Radar O’Reilly could be legally targeted in a war.  He served in an unarmed hospital unit displaying the Red Cross, which I believe removed him from being a legitimate target.

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  19. gyrm Inactive
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    Have to disagree about A Flock of Seagulls being a one-hit wonder. “Space Age Love Song” still gets airplay on the classic rock/pop stations…

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    gyrm (View Comment):

    Have to disagree about A Flock of Seagulls being a one-hit wonder. “Space Age Love Song” still gets airplay on the classic rock/pop stations…

    There are some that had more than one arguable “hit” but this is another case where, although I’m 60, I never, ever, EVER heard anything from them but “I Ran.”

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  21. Bryan McAllister Inactive
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    Great podcast, yet again!  Always a pleasure to hear the wisdom of a fellow Eagles fan.

    My only criticism – A Flock of Seagulls had TWO hits, (no, I’m not self-conscious of the Seagulls posters from my teenage years).  ;-)  Or, maybe I missed the targeted reference to I-ran.

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  22. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Bryan McAllister (View Comment):

    Great podcast, yet again! Always a pleasure to hear the wisdom of a fellow Eagles fan.

    My only criticism – A Flock of Seagulls had TWO hits, (no, I’m not self-conscious of the Seagulls posters from my teenage years). ;-) Or, maybe I missed the targeted reference to I-ran.

    It was meant both as a 1 hit wonder and a reference to Iran. 

    P.S. I Ran (So Far Away) made it to #9 on the Billboard charts, an actual hit. Their next highest charting song only made it #26 and then it was downhill from there. So they really are (were) a one hit wonder. 

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