On The Cusp of the Volcano

There are few on planet Earth who’ve spilled as much ink over concerns on Western Civilization’s decline as today’s guest Douglas Murray. Nevertheless, he’s betting long on America even though he’s well aware of the onslaught recounted in his latest bestseller, The War on the West. (Order your copy today!) Murray takes us through the complications of finding things to agree on when the past is upended by our foes; how his new home country became the heart of the problem; and the very fine surgical procedure needed to not only fight the good fight but to win it.

The fellas discuss the January 6th Committee–or rather, the diversion masquerading as an investigation. They’re somewhat intrigued by the public fur flying at the Washington Post, and they describe some of their tippy top pet peeves as far as vocabulary and grammar are concerned.

(Got any linguistic peeves? Let’s hear ’em, Ricochetti!)

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  1. William Laing Inactive
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    Ricochet throve from the first. It has thriven in fact ever since the first post. May it thrive for evermore. 

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  2. Boethius1261972 Inactive
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    Taras (View Comment):

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    I have taken a break after making it to about 55 minutes in, where Douglas Murray has said he’s moving to America to be at the heart of the problem, the source of the rot that is slowly spreading to the innocent, virgin shores of England.

    First, one admires his sense of self-regard. As if, by his moving to America and listening to the pearls of wisdom that drip from his mouth, we — the unwashed heathens — shall reform our ways and come to righteousness. The level of arrogance is impressive, to say the least.

    And as to the idea that America is the source of what’s wrong, culturally, with England, well, that’s a pretty convenient attitude for an Englishman to have, isn’t it? Rather absolves one of blame or responsibility, doesn’t it?

    I had no idea the British people just mindlessly followed along with what America did. I always gave them more credit than that, owing to the few British people I’ve met.

    And I’d love to ask my great-great uncle and my grandfather what they thought about America being the heart of what’s wrong in England. They’d probably have a pretty interesting perspective, since they both had to get on ships and sail across an ocean to fight in wars that started in that great unsullied land that is Douglas’ Europe.

    I love the diverse opinions with have on Ricochet — both the podcasts and the site. But Douglas Murray strains that feeling.

    Usually I just skip over the interviews with people that I can see are going to be… well, frankly, silly… but I went ahead and listened to Murray. What a waste of time.

    Douglas Murray is one of the West’s greatest intellectual champions.

    In The Strange Death of Europe, he braves charges of Islamophobia to tell the truth about Muslim immigration into Europe.

    In The Madness of Crowds, he challenges the vicious mobs of the transgender movement, among other topics.

    And he does it so deftly that liberals find it hard to dismiss him out of hand as a right-wing loonie.

    Not sure how this qualifies Murray as “one of the West’s greatest intellectual champions” or for that matter, brave.  Pointing out the obvious and making lots of money for yourself in the process doesn’t make you either of those things.  Last time I checked he doesn’t get a lot of attention from liberals so what’s the point apart from self-aggrandizement?

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  3. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

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    BillJackson (View Comment):
      Last time I checked he doesn’t get a lot of attention from liberals so what’s the point apart from self-aggrandizement?

    Douglas was on Bill Maher’s show two weeks ago. 

     

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    It’s on a pay channel. 

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  6. BDB Inactive
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    Douglas Murray is one of those guys whose work I largely appreciate.  One of the reasons I always have to remember which Murray is which (Charles) is that with both of them , the analysis is routinely good, with hit-or-miss conclusions.

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  7. Taras Coolidge
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    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BillJackson (View Comment):

    I have taken a break after making it to about 55 minutes in, where Douglas Murray has said he’s moving to America to be at the heart of the problem, the source of the rot that is slowly spreading to the innocent, virgin shores of England.

    First, one admires his sense of self-regard. As if, by his moving to America and listening to the pearls of wisdom that drip from his mouth, we — the unwashed heathens — shall reform our ways and come to righteousness. The level of arrogance is impressive, to say the least.

    And as to the idea that America is the source of what’s wrong, culturally, with England, well, that’s a pretty convenient attitude for an Englishman to have, isn’t it? Rather absolves one of blame or responsibility, doesn’t it?

    I had no idea the British people just mindlessly followed along with what America did. I always gave them more credit than that, owing to the few British people I’ve met.

    And I’d love to ask my great-great uncle and my grandfather what they thought about America being the heart of what’s wrong in England. They’d probably have a pretty interesting perspective, since they both had to get on ships and sail across an ocean to fight in wars that started in that great unsullied land that is Douglas’ Europe.

    I love the diverse opinions with have on Ricochet — both the podcasts and the site. But Douglas Murray strains that feeling.

    Usually I just skip over the interviews with people that I can see are going to be… well, frankly, silly… but I went ahead and listened to Murray. What a waste of time.

    Douglas Murray is one of the West’s greatest intellectual champions.

    In The Strange Death of Europe, he braves charges of Islamophobia to tell the truth about Muslim immigration into Europe.

    In The Madness of Crowds, he challenges the vicious mobs of the transgender movement, among other topics.

    And he does it so deftly that liberals find it hard to dismiss him out of hand as a right-wing loonie.

    Not sure how this qualifies Murray as “one of the West’s greatest intellectual champions” or for that matter, brave. Pointing out the obvious and making lots of money for yourself in the process doesn’t make you either of those things. Last time I checked he doesn’t get a lot of attention from liberals so what’s the point apart from self-aggrandizement?

    If you think this stuff is “obvious”, you must live in some kind of right-wing bubble.  (Did you read the books?)

    This is the kind of stuff that gets professors pursued by howling mobs and media people fired from their jobs.

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  8. Taras Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    It’s on a pay channel.

    I suspect Bill Maher’s viewership is more influential.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    It’s on a pay channel.

    I suspect Bill Maher’s viewership is more influential.

    He also gets good free media as well from that show like nobody else.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    It’s on a pay channel.

    Nobody gets MSNBC or Fox News for free either.

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    It’s on a pay channel.

    Nobody gets MSNBC or Fox News for free either.

    I knew you were going to say that. Can you guess what my answer to this is going to be?

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  12. Taras Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    It’s on a pay channel.

    Nobody gets MSNBC or Fox News for free either.

    I knew you were going to say that. Can you guess what my answer to this is going to be?

    If I had to pay for MSNBC, I would get rid of it, as I rarely watch it. 

    But it’s part of a package, so I end up getting  it anyway — in effect, for free.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    It’s on a pay channel.

    Nobody gets MSNBC or Fox News for free either.

    I knew you were going to say that. Can you guess what my answer to this is going to be?

    If I had to pay for MSNBC, I would get rid of it, as I rarely watch it.

    But it’s part of a package, so I end up getting it anyway — in effect, for free.

    All kinds of channels would die if you weren’t forced to buy them. CNN. 

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  14. Blue Yeti Admin
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    It’s on a pay channel.

    The segment is plastered all over YouTube and social media. For free. 

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    You only checked one distribution point. Try again.

    Also, the point wasn’t about Maher’s ratings, it was about whether or not Douglas got attention from Liberals. Maher’s show is a major influencer in Democratic and media circles and drives a ton of secondary media hits. They know who Douglas is. 

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    You only checked one distribution point. Try again.

    Also, the point wasn’t about Maher’s ratings, it was about whether or not Douglas got attention from Liberals. Maher’s show is a major influencer in Democratic and media circles and drives a ton of secondary media hits. They know who Douglas is.

    And my larger point is that it doesn’t seem to matter who Maher has on his show, or how much they bash democrats etc, his audience whoops and hollers, then they all – including Maher – go vote for Democrats again.

    This seems to cover it pretty well:

    https://ricochet.com/1271298/when-faced-with-the-failures-of-leftism-leftists-want-more-leftism-but-with-different-leftists/

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

    It’s on a pay channel.

    The segment is plastered all over YouTube and social media. For free.

    I think the fancy term is earned media.I thought everybody understood that he’s exceptional at doing that.

    @kedavis  The point I’m making is what is measured on cable has to factor in that the customer has to take an extra step and pay more above the other ones he’s referencing.

     

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  18. Blue Yeti Admin
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    A quick check shows Maher’s viewership at about half that of Rachel Maddow, and below that of the Joy Reid show, around 1/4 that of Tucker Carlson or The Five on Fox News..

     

    You only checked one distribution point. Try again.

    Also, the point wasn’t about Maher’s ratings, it was about whether or not Douglas got attention from Liberals. Maher’s show is a major influencer in Democratic and media circles and drives a ton of secondary media hits. They know who Douglas is.

    And my larger point is that it doesn’t seem to matter who Maher has on his show, or how much they bash democrats etc, his audience whoops and hollers, then they all – including Maher – go vote for Democrats again.

    Your “larger point”  has nothing to do with your comment on the number of people watching Maher’s show. You stapled that on to this conversation after numerous people pointed out to you that the ratings aren’t relevant in this discussion.

    P.S. In the most recent LA Mayoral Primary race, Republican DINO Rick Caruso (and a recent guest on Maher’s show) received the most amount of votes and is now in a runoff with Democrat Karen Bass. It’s an open primary and lots of Maher watching Democrats voted for Caruso.

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  19. Boethius1261972 Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

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    Last time I checked he doesn’t get a lot of attention from liberals so what’s the point apart from self-aggrandizement?

    Douglas was on Bill Maher’s show two weeks ago.

     

    I don’t know anyone who watches Maher’s show and last time I checked he has people on to gin up his audience, not change their minds.

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):

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    Last time I checked he doesn’t get a lot of attention from liberals so what’s the point apart from self-aggrandizement?

    Douglas was on Bill Maher’s show two weeks ago.

     

    I don’t know anyone who watches Maher’s show and last time I checked he has people on to gin up his audience, not change their minds.

    He gets a ton of earned media. He affects the political system. 

    He’s almost like a blue dog democrat with an independent mind. 

    These are just facts. 

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  21. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):

    I don’t know anyone who watches Maher’s show and last time I checked he has people on to gin up his audience, not change their minds.

     A couple of us on this thread have commented on who watches his show and why the actual numbers that the show pulls aren’t indicative of its influence. 

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  22. filmklassik Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):

    I don’t know anyone who watches Maher’s show and last time I checked he has people on to gin up his audience, not change their minds.

    A couple of us on this thread have commented on who watches his show and why the actual numbers that the show pulls aren’t indicative of its influence.

    What a weird digressive turn this conversation has taken.  The fact remains that Douglas Murray is brilliant, insightful and witty and therefore well worth our time and attention.  He is correctly identifying many (if not most) of the problems plaguing the West.  

    What’s bizarre is that if you aren’t a fulminating, Mark Levin-type conservative, there are visitors to this website who will dismiss you as “a wolf in sheep’s clothing.”  

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  23. Mark Camp Member
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    filmklassik (View Comment:

    What’s bizarre is that if you aren’t a fulminating, Mark Levin-type conservative, there are visitors to this website who will dismiss you as “a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    I think that’s true.

    I pray that you and I will be alert for a sudden opportunity to influence one of those people and be given the right words, before we die.

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