Murphy and Kaus

Political strategist Mike Murphy makes a long overdue return to the Ricochet Podcast to discuss what really happened in the Cantor-Brat race. Was it immigration or is all politics local? Our old friend Mickey Kaus has a point of view on that, and he joins to give his boots-on-the-ground analysis of what happened in VA-7. Spoiler alert: he and Mike disagree — but in a very entertaining and knowledgable way. Finally, the answer is “This Ricochet editor is currently the reigning champion on Jeopardy.” Remember to give your answer in the form of a question.

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  1. Skarv Inactive
    Skarv
    @Skarv

    Rob brought up Meg Whitman not being elected. I work for HP and see the policies she is employing to turn around HP. It is rife with all leftist political correct priorities you can think of. Meg is not a Republican and neither is Mike Murphy.

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  2. kylez Member
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    @kylez

    Ed G.:

    kylez:

    And frankly, I don’t see how one can argue that a government-controlled border and employment restriction is not an artificial constraint. There’s nothing natural about it! It’s not the Rio Grande that restricts the labor supply!

    Okay, it is “artificial”, in the sense that any kind of societal/legal restraint is. What makes it wrong? You open-borders radicals really need to stop and consider the logical extensions of your assertions. What if one billion people hopped the border this year? You would have no logical reason to turn any of them away, and we would no longer have a nation. Borders are essential to a nation and its sovereignty. To argue otherwise is leftist lunacy.

    I’d say it’s anarchist lunacy more than leftist lunacy. This contingent has representatives on both left and right.

     I used to work with a guy who was into radical politics, said he wants there to be “no money or borders.” Some of these “open borders” types sound like they are half there.

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    Everyone forgets this. https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/479673063932694529 … Cruelest mistake ever. The whole planet is ruled by thermodynamics, tribalism, and force basically. Ignore that fact at your peril.

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  4. user_2967 Inactive
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    @MatthewGilley

    I’m beginning to understand why NBC sent David Gregory to see a psychiatrist.

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  5. Rawls Inactive
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    @Rawls

    wmartin:

    Rawls:

    Hypothetical 2016 scenario:

    Ted Cruz runs against Hillary, his platform including strong enforcement for e-verify, predictable annual immigration and work-visa quotas, and a pathway to citizenship taking no fewer than 5 years.

    We could reel in a lot of those 11 million potential new voters that way. Cubans are seen as leaders in the hispanic community, and Cubans are overwhelmingly Republican. They could lead a ton of Mexican and Central American immigrants to our side.

    There is no evidence whatsoever that any of this will work to get hispanic votes. There is no evidence that ANYTHING we do will get Hispanic votes.

    Also, Cubans are not overwhelmingly Republican anymore (younger Cubans now trend Democratic). Why do you think they are “regarded as leaders” in the Hispanic community?

    They are regarded as leaders because they hold a lot of leadership positions. Very high achievers.

    Catholics voted for Kennedy, and 92% of black voters voted for Obama. That’s pretty good evidence that an overwhelming majority of hispanics will vote for someone who literally speaks their language. Put two(!) Cuban candidates in the running (Cruz and Rubio) and you’ll definitely get the attention of the latino community.

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  6. user_358258 Inactive
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    @RandyWebster

    You guys are wasting your time arguing with Jan-Michael Rives.  His premise is that there are no such things as borders.  Everything else he says follows from that.

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  7. Foxfier Inactive
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    @Foxfier

    Rawls:

    Catholics voted for Kennedy, and 92% of black voters voted for Obama. That’s pretty good evidence that an overwhelming majority of hispanics will vote for someone who literally speaks their language. 

    Is there any evidence that “Hispanics” consider themselves to be a monolithic group along the lines of Kennedy era Catholics?

     I’m pretty sure that, say, Sarah Hoyt (libertarian scifi author born in Portugal, occasionally blogs about her amusement about suddenly being “hispanic” or “latino/a”) wouldn’t vote for someone just because their grandfather was from Argentina, even if they did have a somewhat similar language.  Those who do the whole ethnic solidarity thing would only do it for a liberal– “minorities” get excommunicated from the ethnic group for bad-think.

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  8. wmartin Member
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    Rawls:

    They are regarded as leaders because they hold a lot of leadership positions. Very high achievers.

    Catholics voted for Kennedy, and 92% of black voters voted for Obama. That’s pretty good evidence that an overwhelming majority of hispanics will vote for someone who literally speaks their language. Put two(!) Cuban candidates in the running (Cruz and Rubio) and you’ll definitely get the attention of the latino community.

     Do Cubans like Rubio and Cruz (“Conquistador-Americans” as Steve Sailer refers to them) really have a great deal in common with mestizos from Central America? Do Mexicans look at Cruz or Rubio and think “ah yes, one of us”? Ted Cruz did not win the latino vote in his Texas Senate race.

    Also, if Cruz and Rubio go around talking about a “six year path to citizenship,” how many white votes do we lose on that issue alone?

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  9. kylez Member
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    @kylez

    Randy Webster:

    You guys are wasting your time arguing with Jan-Michael Rives. His premise is that there are no such things as borders. Everything else he says follows from that.

     Yeah, I gathered that. I felt the same after another of our otherwise fine members declared immigration a matter of  “human rights.”

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  10. Douglas Inactive
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    @Douglas

    wmartin:

    Do Cubans like Rubio and Cruz (“Conquistador-Americans” as Steve Sailer refers to them) really have a great deal in common with mestizos from Central America? Do Mexicans look at Cruz or Rubio and think “ah yes, one of us”? Ted Cruz did not win the latino vote in his Texas Senate race.

    Also, if Cruz and Rubio go around talking about a “six year path to citizenship,” how many white votes do we lose on that issue alone?

     This has been 25 years ago, but… one of the things I learned in the Navy was that different Hispanic groups not only don’t always agree, many openly dislike each other. Puerto Ricans would badmouth Mexicans, Mexicans would badmouth Cubans, Cubans would badmouth Columbians, etc.  The sense I got was that the collective “Hispanics” only claimed that identity when their interests clashed with the white majority. Kind of Arab-like, in the “I and my brother against my cousin, I and my cousin against the world” sense.

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  11. user_199279 Coolidge
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    @ChrisCampion

    Murphy’s a great example of someone making a fantastic living telling us how we’re all idiots.  He’s not a Republican, he’s a salesman, and he sold his points pretty well – as wrong as they are – because he didn’t allow much if any dissention, by continuing to talk over people and switch lanes on the topic, and insult the other guest and by definition, the listeners.

    I think he’s an idiot, as most salesman are.  They are good at selling something so they get paid.  That’s it.  Being knowledgeable about the subject matter does not make you wise.  It makes you informed about the product that you’re selling.

    If there is a Fort Republican, Murphy should be beaten from it.  He is a prime example of the corrupting influence of money in politics.  Murphy is happily swimming in that sewage, doing backstrokes.

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  12. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    @TheCloakedGaijin

    Mike Murphy must not listen to Mark Levin, if he can’t even pronounce Levin’s last name.

    Or is that supposed to be the Spanish pronunciation?

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  13. Pete EE Member
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    @PeteEE

    Vince Guerra

    Can the editors give us members a reason why they continue to think we have any interest in enduring Mike Murphy’s arrogant condescension on a podcast? I don’t routinely invite guest to my house who bombastically mock my friends.

    Disagree. I want to keep hearing from the other side in case they stumble onto a good idea. Murphy seems like an intelligent and well studied foil.

    I propose a rule: Mike Murphy may only appear again opposite David Limbaugh.

     Agreed.  Murphy does not cover himself with glory on the subject on intellectual honesty. I would have fallen for his poll numbers if there had been no Kaus to put them in context. (While Murphy tried desperately to talk over him.) If you could arrange a mute on Murphy’s mike when his partner is making a point, that would improve the level of discussion.

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  14. hawk@haakondahl.com Member
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    @BallDiamondBall

    Mr. Murphy does not see the country as actually threatened.  He feels the party is threatened, and has no view on the country.

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