Life On Mars

This week, we visit with Republican candidate for Senate in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Beth Lindstom, who’s running a valiant attempt to unseat someone by the name of Elizabeth Warren. No idea who she is. Then, our old friend Toby Young stops by to discuss his recent experience with the digital pitchfork and torch mob on the internet and what we ought to do about it (do read his fantastic essay on this topic on Quillette.com, The Public Humiliation Diet and buy his books that are discussed on the show). Also, the Cohen tapes, the roaring economy, and is there life on Mars? Hope so, because we feel like moving there.

Music from this week’s show: Life on Mars by David Bowie

 

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  1. Blue Yeti Admin
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    TFW you book and meticulously plan an entire hour plus long show, but most of the comments are about a throwaway topic at the very end of the podcast. 

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  2. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    I’m not up on all the Jewish stereotypes. Could someone explain Sarah Silverman’s first joke that Rob likes so that my sides can split from laughter too?

    The bitter sweet?

    I think its the stereotype of Jewish women who want to marry doctors. That was my understanding of the joke…

    Yea, its at the 1:12 mark of the show.

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  3. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    TFW you book and meticulously plan an entire hour plus long show, but most of the comments are about a throwaway topic at the very end of the podcast.

    See? You know your audience. We listened for 80 minutes for the one comment to spark a discussion…BTW was the Mars comment planned out in that the planet was actually making its closest approach soon? (July 31?)

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  4. Bishop Wash Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    I’m not up on all the Jewish stereotypes. Could someone explain Sarah Silverman’s first joke that Rob likes so that my sides can split from laughter too?

    The bitter sweet?

    I think its the stereotype of Jewish women who want to marry doctors. That was my understanding of the joke…

    Yea, its at the 1:12 mark of the show.

    Thanks. I thought it might be along those lines, but didn’t know it was a stereotype.

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  5. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    I’m not up on all the Jewish stereotypes. Could someone explain Sarah Silverman’s first joke that Rob likes so that my sides can split from laughter too?

    The bitter sweet?

    I think its the stereotype of Jewish women who want to marry doctors. That was my understanding of the joke…

    Yea, its at the 1:12 mark of the show.

    Thanks. I thought it might be along those lines, but didn’t know it was a stereotype.

    I could be wrong – but thats how the joke ‘worked’ for me … to be honest I didnt find it funny. I never much cared for Sarah Silverman’s humor. I found her to be a bit like David Letterman – bitter and cruel.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

     

    The DCX project was a technology development project that where too ambitious for its time (uncharacteristically of NASA). You’re pointing to the outcome – yes land a rocket on its tail had been done before – but not after it was used to successfully throw a second stage into an orbital trajectory – come back from the edge of space and mach 7, to land on the X. The old clips of the DCX clips look remarkably similar to Spacex’s Grasshopper flights. Funny watching your TLC clip, They have the “Flight Operations Control Center” – you know how NASA loves their acronyms would that be the FOCC? would people who work there be called FOCCers?

     

     

    Lucky FOCCers!

    And that stuff was going on while Elon Musk was still in elementary school.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    I’m not up on all the Jewish stereotypes. Could someone explain Sarah Silverman’s first joke that Rob likes so that my sides can split from laughter too?

    The bitter sweet?

    I think its the stereotype of Jewish women who want to marry doctors. That was my understanding of the joke…

    Yea, its at the 1:12 mark of the show.

    1:12 is the very end of the show.  All but 6 seconds.

    The Sarah Silverman jokes are at 1:01.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    TFW you book and meticulously plan an entire hour plus long show, but most of the comments are about a throwaway topic at the very end of the podcast.

    Don’t even blame us for that.  James REQUESTED it!

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  9. Miffed White Male Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    $800 billion over 25 years is only $32 billion per year.

    The word “only” should never be used in proximity to the words “$32 billion”.  I don’t care what the subject is.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    $800 billion over 25 years is only $32 billion per year.

    The word “only” should never be used in proximity to the words “$32 billion”. I don’t care what the subject is.

    It’s all relative.  But if “$32 billion” upsets you, you’ve got a LOT of ground to cover before you can get around to be worried about little ol’ that.

    What’s really stupid is basically saying “Okay we’re basically wasting most of a $1 TRILLION deficit by extending unemployment etc, so we have to flush ALL of THAT down the toilet but draw the line THERE and not spend even $32 billion more on something that could greatly advance technology etc etc  etc.”  Ridiculous.

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  11. Miffed White Male Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    $800 billion over 25 years is only $32 billion per year.

    The word “only” should never be used in proximity to the words “$32 billion”. I don’t care what the subject is.

    It’s all relative. But if “$32 billion” upsets you, you’ve got a LOT of ground to cover before you can get around to be worried about little ol’ that.

    What’s really stupid is basically saying “Okay we’re basically wasting most of a $1 TRILLION deficit by extending unemployment etc, so we have to flush ALL of THAT down the toilet but draw the line THERE and not spend even $32 billion more on something that could greatly advance technology etc etc etc.” Ridiculous.

    I’m not objecting to “$32 Billion”.  I’m objecting to “only”.

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  12. SParker Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Its not like this money gets shoveled into a cannon and fired off to Mars. Should ‘we’ spend money to research mars? Yes.

    Mostly because it informs us of the worlds around us – the more we know about mars the more we know about the solar system, and the more we know about earth.

    secondly, the technology developed to research mars, has other applications. The Apollo program launched the semiconductor industries in the US and the world.

    Thirdly, it gives inspiration to a new generation of engineers, pilots and scientists.

    I’m with you.

    In general agreement, but the idea that Apollo had much of anything to do with the semiconductor industry* other than as a very small customer (even for mil-spec and rad-hard versions of chips).  I think the telephone network, cheap little radios from Japan, and whoever the guy in Hong Kong was who figured you could make a nice calculator from Intel’s first microprocessor had considerably more to do with it.  None of those were headed for the moon.  Nope, I don’t buy it.

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    SParker (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Its not like this money gets shoveled into a cannon and fired off to Mars. Should ‘we’ spend money to research mars? Yes.

    secondly, the technology developed to research mars, has other applications. The Apollo program launched the semiconductor industries in the US and the world.

    I’m with you.

    In general agreement, but the idea that Apollo had much of anything to do with the semiconductor industry* other than as a very small customer (even for mil-spec and rad-hard versions of chips). I think the telephone network, cheap little radios from Japan, and whoever the guy in Hong Kong was who figured you could make a nice calculator from Intel’s first microprocessor had considerably more to do with it. None of those were headed for the moon. Nope, I don’t buy it.

    It’s easy to see that the telcos and such were very big later customers that wound up a big part of making the semiconductor and microprocessor industries what they are now.  But the telcos didn’t “inspire” that development to be done to start with, and that guy in Hong Kong isn’t the reason why Intel developed microprocessors, etc.  It would be like saying that nuclear research was done because power companies wanted to build nuclear power plants.  Nonsense.  The Manhattan Project had an entirely different – and government-funded – goal, which later had much wider applications.

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    $800 billion over 25 years is only $32 billion per year.

    The word “only” should never be used in proximity to the words “$32 billion”. I don’t care what the subject is.

    It’s all relative. But if “$32 billion” upsets you, you’ve got a LOT of ground to cover before you can get around to be worried about little ol’ that.

    What’s really stupid is basically saying “Okay we’re basically wasting most of a $1 TRILLION deficit by extending unemployment etc, so we have to flush ALL of THAT down the toilet but draw the line THERE and not spend even $32 billion more on something that could greatly advance technology etc etc etc.” Ridiculous.

    I’m not objecting to “$32 Billion”. I’m objecting to “only”.

    Compared to $1 Trillion especially, $32 billion IS “only.”

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  15. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    SParker (View Comment):
    In general agreement, but the idea that Apollo had much of anything to do with the semiconductor industry* other than as a very small customer (even for mil-spec and rad-hard versions of chips). I think the telephone network, cheap little radios from Japan, and whoever the guy in Hong Kong was who figured you could make a nice calculator from Intel’s first microprocessor had considerably more to do with it. None of those were headed for the moon. Nope, I don’t buy it.

    How about the Smithsonian?

    https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/apollo-guidance-computer-and-first-silicon-chips

    One of the most interesting examples of these decisions concerned the Apollo Guidance and Navigation system, controlled by the Apollo Guidance Computer. Due to size, weight, and power constraints, the Command and Lunar Modules would each carry only one computer, which had to work. What was more, the designers of the computer, at the MIT Instrumentation Laboratory, decided to build the computer using the newly-invented integrated circuit, or silicon “chip” as we now know it. That seems obvious in retrospect, as today we enjoy the fruits of integrated circuit technology in our consumer devices. But in the early 1960s, when this decision was made, the chip was untested, and its reliability was a large unknown.

    None of those chips that would drive the consumer electronic revolution from the mid 70s would have existed without the Apollo program acting as a proving ground for their functionality, reliability and durability. 

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Apollo program computers relied on woven – hand-knitted! – memory assemblies too, for the on-board pre-programmed navigation routines etc.  The Apollo program was a big impetus for development and improvement of solid-state/microchip memory systems too.  So was the shuttle system, for that matter.

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  17. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Apollo program computers relied on woven – hand-knitted! – memory assemblies too, for the on-board pre-programmed navigation routines etc. The Apollo program was a big impetus for development and improvement of solid-state/microchip memory systems too. So was the shuttle system, for that matter.

    Yes this hand woven memory system was so heavy that it was wrapped around the bottom of the Apollo capsule for ballast, to ensure that it remained upright after landing in the ocean.

     

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    And even minor changes to the read-only program in that assembly, required re-weaving by hand.  Yikes!

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  19. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    And even minor changes to the read-only program in that assembly, required re-weaving by hand. Yikes!

    If you havent seen these “Moon Machines” documentaries on YouTube, I recommend them, each episode examines the development program of each component of the Saturn V and Apollo:

    This should be the a play list of all 6 episodes.

     

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Youtube quality isn’t very good, I have them all downloaded in very clean format/quality.

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  21. Blue Yeti Admin
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    TFW you book and meticulously plan an entire hour plus long show, but most of the comments are about a throwaway topic at the very end of the podcast.

    Don’t even blame us for that. James REQUESTED it!

    This is a good point. I had forgotten that. 

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Even if the deficit were TWO trillion $, it would still be a good idea to spend $32 billion/year on research, development, and new technologies that could maybe even wipe out not just the deficit, but the entire national debt.  I really wonder about people who might think just sitting here on Earth is better than spending A WHOLE EXTRA $32 BILLION PER YEAR, OH NO!!!!

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