It Smells Better Here

Some weeks, we have to hunt hard for topics. Other weeks, well, they rain down like a monsoon. The latter describes this week and to provide an umbrella we’ve got the Las Vegas Review-Journal’s White House correspondent Debra J. Saunders on the political topics (and a bit on San Francisco) and The Skeptical Environmentalist himself, Bjørn Lomborg, who at this moment, is the world’s second most famous Scandinavian authority in climate. Also, a new poll question (answer it!) and Lileks make a cameo appearance to award Ricochet member Kevin Creighton the highly coveted Lileks Post of The Week.

Music from this week’s show: How Soon Is Now by The Smiths

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    kylez (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Ricochet Audio Network:

    Music from this week’s show: How Soon Was Then by The Smiths

    I think it was better by Love Spit Love. (Called How Soon Is Now?) This version was in the movie The Craft, and was used (in a shorter form) as the opening/theme for all 8 seasons of Charmed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiO0r0AoAA

    As seen here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQVzZayPpUM

    No. Way. I’d never heard that before but it is rather lifeless compared to the original. And yes, the title is wrong in the description.

    That’s odd.  I figure just the opposite.  But I don’t think music is automatically better just by adding more fuzz/distortion/whatever, and I appreciate being able to understand the lyrics without a lot of guess-work.

    I also prefer the Letters To Cleo version of “Dangerous Type,” although I grew up in the 60s and 70s but I never had a fixation on Rick Ocasek/The Cars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvaSw63uc8

    Oh, and:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGljE1-ERos

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  2. kylez Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Scoldilocks should not intimidate us. I was disappointed that Peter used the term climate denier. It’s obviously incorrect and is an attempt to silence opposition. There’s very good grounds to question the climate records which have been manipulated. And starting with a graph at the end of the Little Ice Age distorts the picture. Starting at the beginning of the LIA would give you a different result. The models have been running hot and, as Freeman Dyson has pointed out, are untrustworthy. http://www.thegwpf.com/climatologists-einsteins-successor/

    N.B.: The article dates from 2013.

    I love the name, “Scoldilocks”!

    However, Greta Thunberg is no more deserving of censure than those teenage girls who, with the same passion and conviction, warned the people that the only thing that could save them was total loyalty to Adolf Hitler.

    You know, 2013…When Ms. Thunberg was 10.

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  3. kylez Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Not that interested. If Rob wanted to run his “polls” by me first, I could formulate better ways to ask HIS questions. But Rob among other Ricochet hosts, laugh about how they sometimes get asked to do something for free, because it’ll be great for THEM to get the exposure etc. So I should probably refuse to do it for free, or else they’ll think they suckered me. Heck, I’m already paying THEM!

    If you (or anyone else) is interested in submitting a poll question and answers, please do. Leave them in the comments or PM me.

    Using Weighed Voting, who are your 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th choices among the four declared Republican Presidential Candidates. Me? Sandford, Weld, Walsh and Trump in that order.

    How about ranking Republican Presidents? Me? Lincoln, Reagan, Coolidge, Ike, TR.

    How about worst Republican Presidents? Me? Trump, Andrew Johnson (who ran as Lincoln’s Veep), Nixon, Harding and Hayes (who sold out Southern blacks)

    Johnson was a Democrat.

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  4. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Email Mitch  McConnell and Kevin McCarthy and tell them to get out there and support Trump before the cameras. I’m sick of seeing only a couple of GOP reps doing all the work by themselves. 

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  5. Blue Yeti Admin
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    kylez (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Ricochet Audio Network:

    Some weeks, we have to hunt hard for topics. Other weeks, well, they rain down like a monsoon. The latter describes this week and to provide an umbrella we’ve got the Las Vegas Review-Journal’s White House correspondent Debra J. Saunders on the political topics (and a bit on San Francisco) and The Skeptical Environmentalist himself, Bjørn Lomborg, who at this moment, is the world’s second most famous Scandinavian authority in climate. Also, a new poll question (answer it!) and Lileks make a cameo appearance to award Ricochet member Kevin Creighton the highly coveted Lileks Post of The Week.

    Music from this week’s show: How Soon Was Then by The Smiths

    I think it was better by Love Spit Love. (Called How Soon Is Now?) This version was in the movie The Craft, and was used (in a shorter form) as the opening/theme for all 8 seasons of Charmed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiO0r0AoAA

    As seen here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQVzZayPpUM

    No. Way. I’d never heard that before but it is rather lifeless compared to the original. And yes, the title is wrong in the description.

    Sorry, How Soon Was Then  was the title of Kevin Creighton’s post, not the song. I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.

    And yes, those cover versions are weak. 

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  6. Taras Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Does that fact not make the current hysteria over atmospheric CO2 a vastly overstated threat?

    The polar ice caps are relatively young. Estimates range between 5 and 15 million years, for the north pole, and the Antarctic can be no older than 3 million years. Meaning that the earth ‘normally’ does not have polar ice caps.

    Considering that humans (and other critters) live in climates ranging from the north pole to the Arabian Desert, isnt it unscientific to claim that a change of a few degrees will drive all living things to the brink of extinction?

    It’s ridiculous. Even if we the planet warms to the level of the Cambrian era, when CO2 levels were 18 times current levels and the average temperature was 22C degrees compared to the current 14 C, to think life and humanity will be extinct is nonsense.

    The famous paleontologist and science writer, Stephen Jay Gould, a man of the Left incidentally, used to say that changes in rainfall patterns and higher sea level related to global warming are a serious matter.

    But, he continued, when a paleontologist hears global warming doomsday scenarios, he smiles.   Because he knows how warm the Earth was in some of its most verdant periods!

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  7. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    The original version by The Smiths is obviously and objectively better. 

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The original version by The Smiths is obviously and objectively better.

    Then you’ll love this.  It’s complete unintelligible gibberish, and even the people who think they know what the lyrics are, don’t agree.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xBfF82BMsk

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  9. kylez Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The original version by The Smiths is obviously and objectively better.

    The greatest self-loathing song about loneliness ever.

    • #129
  10. kylez Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The original version by The Smiths is obviously and objectively better.

    Then you’ll love this. It’s complete unintelligible gibberish, and even the people who think they know what the lyrics are, don’t agree.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xBfF82BMsk

    Never have seen that show. Seems to be well-regarded by people who watched tv in the 70s.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    kylez (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    The original version by The Smiths is obviously and objectively better.

    Then you’ll love this. It’s complete unintelligible gibberish, and even the people who think they know what the lyrics are, don’t agree.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xBfF82BMsk

    Never have seen that show. Seems to be well-regarded by people who watched tv in the 70s.

    It was pretty good.  Sadly, a lot of that stuff isn’t on youtube at all, or if it is, it’s really messed with for one reason or another.  Put in a smaller frame, or sped up or slowed down…  Maybe because they figure it’ll keep it from being noticed by the networks and taken down.

    But anyway, give this a try:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tsgrr

    Followed by episode 2:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6u7r4v

    Those both seem to be slowed down, but we do what we can.

    Oh, AND reversed.  Stupid dailymotion.

    • #131
  12. Miffed White Male Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Wow @peterlong … using”erudite” in Fargo?

    OK, I finally got to the end of the podcast and heard that little exchange.  What a ridiculously condescending, downright asinine question to ask –  “what do people think when you use a word like ‘erudite’ in Fargo?”

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Mr Robinson.  That’s the kind of thing that makes people really hate coastal elites [a category that I think we can fairly apply to him.]

    James laughed it off with a lot more grace than I would have been able to muster.

    • #132
  13. Annefy Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Wow @peterlong … using”erudite” in Fargo?

    OK, I finally got to the end of the podcast and heard that little exchange. What a ridiculously condescending, downright asinine question to ask – “what do people think when you use a word like ‘erudite’ in Fargo?”

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Mr Robinson. That’s the kind of thing that makes people really hate coastal elites [a category that I think we can fairly apply to him.]

    James laughed it off with a lot more grace than I would have been able to muster.

    Thanks MWM – I was beginning to think I’d imagined it. Yes indeed, James handled it with grace. Better man than me …

    Something along the lines of, “I don’t know what they think. But I would certainly never patronize them with a query …”

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  14. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Wow @peterlong … using”erudite” in Fargo?

    OK, I finally got to the end of the podcast and heard that little exchange. What a ridiculously condescending, downright asinine question to ask – “what do people think when you use a word like ‘erudite’ in Fargo?”

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Mr Robinson. That’s the kind of thing that makes people really hate coastal elites [a category that I think we can fairly apply to him.]

    James laughed it off with a lot more grace than I would have been able to muster.

    Folks:

    It. Was. A. Joke.

    Occasionally,  the guys say something because they want to provoke what we hope will be a funny and entertaining reaction. James knows this. It’s the underlying basis of the interrupting of the segues.

    Maybe this one didn’t work. Fair enough. Do 467 hours of anything and you’re going to have a a few bits fall on their face. That’s showbiz. But it’s not some grand indictment.

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  15. Miffed White Male Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Wow @peterlong … using”erudite” in Fargo?

    OK, I finally got to the end of the podcast and heard that little exchange. What a ridiculously condescending, downright asinine question to ask – “what do people think when you use a word like ‘erudite’ in Fargo?”

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Mr Robinson. That’s the kind of thing that makes people really hate coastal elites [a category that I think we can fairly apply to him.]

    James laughed it off with a lot more grace than I would have been able to muster.

    It. Was. A. Joke.

    was it?

     

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  16. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Wow @peterlong … using”erudite” in Fargo?

    OK, I finally got to the end of the podcast and heard that little exchange. What a ridiculously condescending, downright asinine question to ask – “what do people think when you use a word like ‘erudite’ in Fargo?”

    I’ve lost a lot of respect for Mr Robinson. That’s the kind of thing that makes people really hate coastal elites [a category that I think we can fairly apply to him.]

    James laughed it off with a lot more grace than I would have been able to muster.

    It. Was. A. Joke.

    was it?

     

    Yes, it was. 

    • #136
  17. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Maybe this one didn’t work. Fair enough. Do 467 hours of anything and you’re going to have a a few bits fall on their face. That’s showbiz. But it’s not some grand indictment.

    It was an insensitive joke, but Peter is a sweetheart who would never intentionally offend anyone. 

    • #137
  18. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Maybe this one didn’t work. Fair enough. Do 467 hours of anything and you’re going to have a a few bits fall on their face. That’s showbiz. But it’s not some grand indictment.

    It was an insensitive joke, but Peter is a sweetheart who would never intentionally offend anyone.

    This is a correct statement. 

    • #138
  19. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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  20. milkchaser Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    No doubt, one day my own children will shake their heads in wonder when they come across that box in my house as they go about the task of deciding what to keep, what to donate, what to sell and what to pitch.

    Well, for goodness’ sake, put in a historical note.

    • #140
  21. milkchaser Member
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    I sort of hate when so-called conservatives show disrespect to the President as though they were his betters. Oh, how smart you must think you are. Here’s the deal, guys. 99% of the people who listen and read are as bright and accomplished as you are. Your smug dismissal of Trump, and the implied assumption that you could do better, is disheartening to me (again).

    • #141
  22. Blue Yeti Admin
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    milkchaser (View Comment):

    I sort of hate when so-called conservatives show disrespect to the President as though they were his betters. Oh, how smart you must think you are. Here’s the deal, guys. 99% of the people who listen and read are as bright and accomplished as you are. Your smug dismissal of Trump, and the implied assumption that you could do better, is disheartening to me (again).

    Uh, the part of the  show we are discussing had nothing to do with President Trump.

    • #142
  23. Annefy Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    milkchaser (View Comment):

    I sort of hate when so-called conservatives show disrespect to the President as though they were his betters. Oh, how smart you must think you are. Here’s the deal, guys. 99% of the people who listen and read are as bright and accomplished as you are. Your smug dismissal of Trump, and the implied assumption that you could do better, is disheartening to me (again).

    Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had nothing to do with President Trump.

    Uh, I think it’s obvious he’s talking about the show – not “the part of the show” you are discussing 

    • #143
  24. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    milkchaser (View Comment):

    I sort of hate when so-called conservatives show disrespect to the President as though they were his betters. Oh, how smart you must think you are. Here’s the deal, guys. 99% of the people who listen and read are as bright and accomplished as you are. Your smug dismissal of Trump, and the implied assumption that you could do better, is disheartening to me (again).

    Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had nothing to do with President Trump.

    Uh, I think it’s obvious he’s talking about the show – not “the part of the show” you are discussing

    OK, then please identify for me who on the show suggested that the audience is not as “bright and accomplished”  as the listeners? And who “smugly dismissed Trump” and who implied that “they could do [his job] better”? Must have missed all of those moments in the 3 or 4 times I have listened to this show. If it’s not too much trouble, I’d also appreciate the time code on when exactly those moments occurred. Would like to play them on this week’s show. 

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  25. Annefy Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    milkchaser (View Comment):

    I sort of hate when so-called conservatives show disrespect to the President as though they were his betters. Oh, how smart you must think you are. Here’s the deal, guys. 99% of the people who listen and read are as bright and accomplished as you are. Your smug dismissal of Trump, and the implied assumption that you could do better, is disheartening to me (again).

    Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had nothing to do with President Trump.

    Uh, I think it’s obvious he’s talking about the show – not “the part of the show” you are discussing

    OK, then please identify for me who on the show suggested that the audience is not as “bright and accomplished” as the listeners? And who “smugly dismissed Trump” and who implied that “they could do [his job] better”? Must have missed all of those moments in the 3 or 4 times I have listened to this show. If it’s not too much trouble, I’d also appreciate the time code on when exactly those moments occurred. Would like to play them on this week’s show.

    I’ll leave that up to @Milkchaser, as it was his comment.

    My comment to you? You were being dismissive of @milkchaser with your “Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had noting to do with President Trump” comment.

    How do you know what part of the show @milkchaser was referring to? 

    You need to spend more time in the comments, @blueyeti and try to keep up. We often have several different issues being discussed at the same time. @milkchaser quoted no one; it was obvious he was making a general observation.

    Uh, just my two cents.

    • #145
  26. milkchaser Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had nothing to do with President Trump.

    Uh, I think it’s obvious he’s talking about the show – not “the part of the show” you are discussing 

    Yes, that is what I meant. I had not yet read the comments – just listened to the snarky disparaging comments by Rob & Peter at the beginning of the show.

    • #146
  27. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    milkchaser (View Comment):

    I sort of hate when so-called conservatives show disrespect to the President as though they were his betters. Oh, how smart you must think you are. Here’s the deal, guys. 99% of the people who listen and read are as bright and accomplished as you are. Your smug dismissal of Trump, and the implied assumption that you could do better, is disheartening to me (again).

    Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had nothing to do with President Trump.

    Uh, I think it’s obvious he’s talking about the show – not “the part of the show” you are discussing

    OK, then please identify for me who on the show suggested that the audience is not as “bright and accomplished” as the listeners? And who “smugly dismissed Trump” and who implied that “they could do [his job] better”? Must have missed all of those moments in the 3 or 4 times I have listened to this show. If it’s not too much trouble, I’d also appreciate the time code on when exactly those moments occurred. Would like to play them on this week’s show.

    I’ll leave that up to @Milkchaser, as it was his comment.

    My comment to you? You were being dismissive of @milkchaser with your “Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had noting to do with President Trump” comment.

    How do you know what part of the show @milkchaser was referring to?

    You need to spend more time in the comments, @blueyeti and try to keep up. We often have several different issues being discussed at the same time. @milkchaser quoted no one; it was obvious he was making a general observation.

    Uh, just my two cents.

    I wasn’t being dismissive. Despite it being obvious to you, I honestly could not tell what he was referring to. But fair enough —  I’ve now addressed both possibilities and neither one of them makes much sense to me.

    I tend to err on the side of leaving the discussion to the members. The comment section is for them, not me.

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  28. Annefy Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    milkchaser (View Comment):

    I sort of hate when so-called conservatives show disrespect to the President as though they were his betters. Oh, how smart you must think you are. Here’s the deal, guys. 99% of the people who listen and read are as bright and accomplished as you are. Your smug dismissal of Trump, and the implied assumption that you could do better, is disheartening to me (again).

    Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had nothing to do with President Trump.

    Uh, I think it’s obvious he’s talking about the show – not “the part of the show” you are discussing

    OK, then please identify for me who on the show suggested that the audience is not as “bright and accomplished” as the listeners? And who “smugly dismissed Trump” and who implied that “they could do [his job] better”? Must have missed all of those moments in the 3 or 4 times I have listened to this show. If it’s not too much trouble, I’d also appreciate the time code on when exactly those moments occurred. Would like to play them on this week’s show.

    I’ll leave that up to @Milkchaser, as it was his comment.

    My comment to you? You were being dismissive of @milkchaser with your “Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had noting to do with President Trump” comment.

    How do you know what part of the show @milkchaser was referring to?

    You need to spend more time in the comments, @blueyeti and try to keep up. We often have several different issues being discussed at the same time. @milkchaser quoted no one; it was obvious he was making a general observation.

    Uh, just my two cents.

    I wasn’t being dismissive. Despite it being obvious to you, I honestly could not tell what he was referring to. But fair enough — I’ve now addressed both possibilities and neither one of them makes much sense to me.

    It is just me, or does any written comment prefaced by “um” or “uh” come across as dismissive? 

     

    • #148
  29. Annefy Member
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    milkchaser (View Comment):

    I sort of hate when so-called conservatives show disrespect to the President as though they were his betters. Oh, how smart you must think you are. Here’s the deal, guys. 99% of the people who listen and read are as bright and accomplished as you are. Your smug dismissal of Trump, and the implied assumption that you could do better, is disheartening to me (again).

    Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had nothing to do with President Trump.

    Uh, I think it’s obvious he’s talking about the show – not “the part of the show” you are discussing

    OK, then please identify for me who on the show suggested that the audience is not as “bright and accomplished” as the listeners? And who “smugly dismissed Trump” and who implied that “they could do [his job] better”? Must have missed all of those moments in the 3 or 4 times I have listened to this show. If it’s not too much trouble, I’d also appreciate the time code on when exactly those moments occurred. Would like to play them on this week’s show.

    I’ll leave that up to @Milkchaser, as it was his comment.

    My comment to you? You were being dismissive of @milkchaser with your “Uh, the part of the show we are discussing had noting to do with President Trump” comment.

    How do you know what part of the show @milkchaser was referring to?

    You need to spend more time in the comments, @blueyeti and try to keep up. We often have several different issues being discussed at the same time. @milkchaser quoted no one; it was obvious he was making a general observation.

    Uh, just my two cents.

    I wasn’t being dismissive. Despite it being obvious to you, I honestly could not tell what he was referring to. But fair enough — I’ve now addressed both possibilities and neither one of them makes much sense to me.

    I tend to err on the side of leaving the discussion to the members. The comment section is for them, not me.

    Another insider comment tip: bad form to go back and edit a comment after it’s been posted without adding a note that you’ve done so. I quoted your entire comment (at the time) above; now it appears different.

    • #149
  30. Blue Yeti Admin
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    milkchaser (View Comment):
    Yes, that is what I meant. I had not yet read the comments – just listened to the snarky disparaging comments by Rob & Peter at the beginning of the show.

    OK, I just re-listened to the first 10 minutes of the show (you can listen for yourself at the top of this page). I did not hear any “snarky comments” describing the President. Rob and Peter both make a few about Democrats, but I’m guessing you have  no issue with those comments,

    Peter describes the transcript as “ambiguous” and that there’s no obvious quid pro quo — “nothing even approaching that,” he says. Peter also clearly makes the point that the controversy over the so-called “favor” Trump asks for is a big nothingburger (I’m paraphrasing that). Yes, he suggests that Trump speaks a bit crudely, but he means that Trump is direct and does not beat around the bush the way career diplomats and bureaucrats do. Not that Trump is a crude person. Come on.

    Peter also describes Trump’s conversation as “ill-judged” but of course what he means is that perhaps Trump should not be so forward and direct when he knows a dozen people are listening in on the call. 

    So again, I ask you: what are the “snarky disparaging comments”? Please provide specific quotes as to what you are referring to. I’m very interested to know.

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