It Smells Better Here

Some weeks, we have to hunt hard for topics. Other weeks, well, they rain down like a monsoon. The latter describes this week and to provide an umbrella we’ve got the Las Vegas Review-Journal’s White House correspondent Debra J. Saunders on the political topics (and a bit on San Francisco) and The Skeptical Environmentalist himself, Bjørn Lomborg, who at this moment, is the world’s second most famous Scandinavian authority in climate. Also, a new poll question (answer it!) and Lileks make a cameo appearance to award Ricochet member Kevin Creighton the highly coveted Lileks Post of The Week.

Music from this week’s show: How Soon Is Now by The Smiths

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Also, another name for carbon dioxide is “plant food.”  Why tax plant food?

    • #91
  2. Small Metal Owl Inactive
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    @Mustango

    I voted with the “A” majority but it comes down to a lot of unknowns at this time. I’m pretty sure my Republican senator is a solid no on conviction. So I’m going to want to know what changed his mind. Was it something big that we don’t yet know about today? Or was it getting cornered in an elevator?

    The harder it gets to keep an open mind on these things, the more important it becomes to do so.

    • #92
  3. Arahant Member
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    @Arahant

    Small Metal Owl (View Comment):

    I voted with the “A” majority but it comes down to a lot of unknowns at this time. I’m pretty sure my Republican senator is a solid no on conviction. So I’m going to want to know what changed his mind. Was it something big that we don’t yet know about today? Or was it getting cornered in an elevator?

    The harder it gets to keep an open mind on these things, the more important it becomes to do so.

    I voted, but neither of my Senators are Republican, so it was a big hypothetical.

    • #93
  4. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Does that fact not make the current hysteria over atmospheric CO2 a vastly overstated threat?

    The polar ice caps are relatively young. Estimates range between 5 and 15 million years, for the north pole, and the Antarctic can be no older than 3 million years. Meaning that the earth ‘normally’ does not have polar ice caps.

    Considering that humans (and other critters) live in climates ranging from the north pole to the Arabian Desert, isnt it unscientific to claim that a change of a few degrees will drive all living things to the brink of extinction?

    • #94
  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    J Ro (View Comment):

    David Bryan (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Just because James didn’t share the heartache of disposing with a lifetime of his father’s belongings doesn’t mean he hasn’t felt it. It is hard work, to be sure, but it’s so tough to look at every single item and know what to keep, what to sell or donate and what to pitch. When my mother died some 20 years ago, I discovered a lovely little box full of valentines from classmates she had received in the third grade! They wound up at the top of the heap in a garbage can, but I went to bed that night thinking about why in the world she had saved those valentines above all others. Don’t ask me why, but the next morning I went outside to the garbage, retrieved that little box and still have it to this very day. No doubt, one day my own children will shake their heads in wonder when they come across that box in my house as they go about the task of deciding what to keep, what to donate, what to sell and what to pitch.

    Beautiful…as your posts so often are, Goldwater Woman.

    “Rosebud…” -Charles Foster Kane’s last word

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH1PJTY9AVA

    • #95
  6. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Does that fact not make the current hysteria over atmospheric CO2 a vastly overstated threat?

    The polar ice caps are relatively young. Estimates range between 5 and 15 million years, for the north pole, and the Antarctic can be no older than 3 million years. Meaning that the earth ‘normally’ does not have polar ice caps.

    Considering that humans (and other critters) live in climates ranging from the north pole to the Arabian Desert, isnt it unscientific to claim that a change of a few degrees will drive all living things to the brink of extinction?

    Which makes the climate-alarmists seem rather selfish for demanding that Earth somehow bend to THEIR desires.

    But really, if the left were truly pro-science, they would be anti-abortion.

    • #96
  7. Taras Coolidge
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    @Taras

    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Does that fact not make the current hysteria over atmospheric CO2 a vastly overstated threat?

    The polar ice caps are relatively young. Estimates range between 5 and 15 million years, for the north pole, and the Antarctic can be no older than 3 million years. Meaning that the earth ‘normally’ does not have polar ice caps.

    Considering that humans (and other critters) live in climates ranging from the north pole to the Arabian Desert, isnt it unscientific to claim that a change of a few degrees will drive all living things to the brink of extinction?

    Which makes the climate-alarmists seem rather selfish for demanding that Earth somehow bend to THEIR desires.

    But really, if the left were truly pro-science, they would be anti-abortion.

    “By 23 million years ago, Antarctica was mostly icy forest and for the last 15 million years, it has been a frozen desert under a thick ice sheet.”—sciencefocus.com

    • #97
  8. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Does that fact not make the current hysteria over atmospheric CO2 a vastly overstated threat?

    The polar ice caps are relatively young. Estimates range between 5 and 15 million years, for the north pole, and the Antarctic can be no older than 3 million years. Meaning that the earth ‘normally’ does not have polar ice caps.

    Considering that humans (and other critters) live in climates ranging from the north pole to the Arabian Desert, isnt it unscientific to claim that a change of a few degrees will drive all living things to the brink of extinction?

    Which makes the climate-alarmists seem rather selfish for demanding that Earth somehow bend to THEIR desires.

    But really, if the left were truly pro-science, they would be anti-abortion.

    “By 23 million years ago, Antarctica was mostly icy forest and for the last 15 million years, it has been a frozen desert under a thick ice sheet.”—sciencefocus.com

    There is definitely controversy over the age of the antarctic ice pack. I did a quick google on the subject this morning… They said the youngest possible date of the ice pack was at 3 million years, because of evidence of volcanic activity in the west of Antarctica.

    Ive also heard 30 million years… But the point I was making, that the polar ice caps are a relative recent development compared to the age of the earth. Look at this talk with Randall Carlson:

    • #98
  9. Arahant Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Look at this talk with Randall Carlson:

    Three hours? No.

    • #99
  10. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Look at this talk with Randall Carlson:

    Three hours? No.

    The meat of the interview – about global warming and Ice Ages, starts at 14 minutes. If they dont capture your interest turn it off…

    • #100
  11. Arahant Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Look at this talk with Randall Carlson:

    Three hours? No.

    The meat of the interview – about global warming and Ice Ages, starts at 14 minutes. If they dont capture your interest turn it off…

    Now, see, there’s the problem. They might capture my interest, and then I would be out almost three hours, when I can look up and read a written summary in perhaps five minutes.

    • #101
  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Look at this talk with Randall Carlson:

    Three hours? No.

    The meat of the interview – about global warming and Ice Ages, starts at 14 minutes. If they dont capture your interest turn it off…

    Now, see, there’s the problem. They might capture my interest, and then I would be out almost three hours, when I can look up and read a written summary in perhaps five minutes.

    I watched the whole thing, so you don’t have to.  :-)

    Basically if you just want to be able to “destroy” anthropogenic global warming… enthusiasts… you only need to watch/listen up to about half an hour, or to just over 1 hour to be more fair.  After that, listening to about the 90 minute point I’d say is the next big “break.”  And then about 2 hours and 4 minutes.  After that, they want to talk more about mind-expanding psychedelic drugs and other detritus that frankly leaves me rather cold.

    But I really don’t think a written summary could do it justice, especially not any kind of brief summary.

    • #102
  13. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    J Ro (View Comment):

    David Bryan (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Just because James didn’t share the heartache of disposing with a lifetime of his father’s belongings doesn’t mean he hasn’t felt it. It is hard work, to be sure, but it’s so tough to look at every single item and know what to keep, what to sell or donate and what to pitch. When my mother died some 20 years ago, I discovered a lovely little box full of valentines from classmates she had received in the third grade! They wound up at the top of the heap in a garbage can, but I went to bed that night thinking about why in the world she had saved those valentines above all others. Don’t ask me why, but the next morning I went outside to the garbage, retrieved that little box and still have it to this very day. No doubt, one day my own children will shake their heads in wonder when they come across that box in my house as they go about the task of deciding what to keep, what to donate, what to sell and what to pitch.

    Beautiful…as your posts so often are, Goldwater Woman.

    “Rosebud…” -Charles Foster Kane’s last word

    Spoiler! Come on! That’s still in the theaters.

    • #103
  14. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    @Max

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    when (not if) will Ricochet enable bitcoin payments/donations?

    consult Peter Thiel and George Gilder

     

    We have no plans to accept bitcoin or any currency other than US dollars.

    • #104
  15. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Not that interested. If Rob wanted to run his “polls” by me first, I could formulate better ways to ask HIS questions. But Rob among other Ricochet hosts, laugh about how they sometimes get asked to do something for free, because it’ll be great for THEM to get the exposure etc. So I should probably refuse to do it for free, or else they’ll think they suckered me. Heck, I’m already paying THEM!

    If you (or anyone else) is interested in submitting a poll question and answers, please do. Leave them in the comments or PM me.

    Using Weighed Voting, who are your 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th choices among the four declared Republican Presidential Candidates. Me? Sandford, Weld, Walsh and Trump in that order.

    How about ranking Republican Presidents? Me? Lincoln, Reagan, Coolidge, Ike, TR.

    How about worst Republican Presidents? Me? Trump, Andrew Johnson (who ran as Lincoln’s Veep), Nixon, Harding and Hayes (who sold out Southern blacks)

    Andrew Johnson was a Democrat. Don’t fob him off on us.

    • #105
  16. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    @Max

    Taras (View Comment):

    Just to clarify, a “quisling” is someone who betrays his own side and works for the enemy; e.g., a Republican or conservative who urges people to vote for the Democrat instead of Trump. 

    In the Senate, perhaps Linda Murkowski might qualify; though the Democrats have hopes of Mitt Romney. 

    Jeff Flake donated to the Democrat running for senate in Alabama.

    • #106
  17. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Look at this talk with Randall Carlson:

    Three hours? No.

    The meat of the interview – about global warming and Ice Ages, starts at 14 minutes. If they dont capture your interest turn it off…

    Now, see, there’s the problem. They might capture my interest, and then I would be out almost three hours, when I can look up and read a written summary in perhaps five minutes.

    I watched the whole thing, so you don’t have to. :-)

    Basically if you just want to be able to “destroy” anthropogenic global warming… enthusiasts… you only need to watch/listen up to about half an hour, or to just over 1 hour to be more fair. After that, listening to about the 90 minute point I’d say is the next big “break.” And then about 2 hours and 4 minutes. After that, they want to talk more about mind-expanding psychedelic drugs and other detritus that frankly leaves me rather cold.

    Does “destroy” mean “make them roll around on the floor, laughing”? 

     I made the mistake of starting to listen from the beginning, where Carlson embraces crackpot pseudo-archeologist Graham Hancock.

    I don’t think Carlson is worth much of my time.

    • #107
  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Look at this talk with Randall Carlson:

    Three hours? No.

    The meat of the interview – about global warming and Ice Ages, starts at 14 minutes. If they dont capture your interest turn it off…

    Now, see, there’s the problem. They might capture my interest, and then I would be out almost three hours, when I can look up and read a written summary in perhaps five minutes.

    I watched the whole thing, so you don’t have to. :-)

    Basically if you just want to be able to “destroy” anthropogenic global warming… enthusiasts… you only need to watch/listen up to about half an hour, or to just over 1 hour to be more fair. After that, listening to about the 90 minute point I’d say is the next big “break.” And then about 2 hours and 4 minutes. After that, they want to talk more about mind-expanding psychedelic drugs and other detritus that frankly leaves me rather cold.

    Does “destroy” mean “make them roll around on the floor, laughing”?

    I made the mistake of starting to listen from the beginning, where Carlson embraces crackpot pseudo-archeologist Graham Hancock.

    I don’t think Carlson is worth much of my time.

    Maybe try skipping ahead to 14 minutes, then.

    • #108
  19. J Ro Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    J Ro (View Comment):

    David Bryan (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Just because James didn’t share the heartache of disposing with a lifetime of his father’s belongings doesn’t mean he hasn’t felt it. It is hard work, to be sure, but it’s so tough to look at every single item and know what to keep, what to sell or donate and what to pitch. When my mother died some 20 years ago, I discovered a lovely little box full of valentines from classmates she had received in the third grade! They wound up at the top of the heap in a garbage can, but I went to bed that night thinking about why in the world she had saved those valentines above all others. Don’t ask me why, but the next morning I went outside to the garbage, retrieved that little box and still have it to this very day. No doubt, one day my own children will shake their heads in wonder when they come across that box in my house as they go about the task of deciding what to keep, what to donate, what to sell and what to pitch.

    Beautiful…as your posts so often are, Goldwater Woman.

    “Rosebud…” -Charles Foster Kane’s last word

    Spoiler! Come on! That’s still in the theaters.

    Come on! It’s the first line in the movie.

    To find out what it meant, and the connection to “disposing with a lifetime of (someone’s) belongings” you have to watch it through to the closing shot!

    (You knew that.)

    • #109
  20. Jeff Hawkins Inactive
    Jeff Hawkins
    @JeffHawkins

    I have a bit of a problem with Bjorn’s call for tons of funding for R&D.  It’s both safe and irresponsible. It’s safe because that’s the usual call for things not going as they should.  It’s irresponsible because so many people line their pockets with the cash and it gets wasted in the name of “trying things”

    More money will not allow for the evolution of science.  It was true during the first days of the AIDS epidemic, it’s true for global warming/green energy.  Millions of dollars in Civil War medicine would not have borne x-ray machines, the science wasn’t there and no amount of money would help it catch up.

    • #110
  21. Max Ledoux Coolidge
    Max Ledoux
    @Max

    If Republican senators remove Trump from office then I will never vote for another Republican for the rest of my life, even my GOP state rep who lives down the street from me. Removing Trump from office would be a traitorous betrayal of the voters and the conservative policy agenda they voted for and that Trump has been enacting. 

    • #111
  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    If Republican senators remove Trump from office then I will never vote for another Republican for the rest of my life, even my GOP state rep who lives down the street from me. Removing Trump from office would be a traitorous betrayal of the voters and the conservative policy agenda they voted for and that Trump has been enacting.

    Another option that Rob forgot to include… :-)

    • #112
  23. Max Ledoux Coolidge
    Max Ledoux
    @Max

    kedavis, I think you’re confusing “poll” with “conversation.” No poll can ever possibly cover all of the possible outcomes of a conversation. 

    • #113
  24. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    If Republican senators remove Trump from office then I will never vote for another Republican for the rest of my life, even my GOP state rep who lives down the street from me. Removing Trump from office would be a traitorous betrayal of the voters and the conservative policy agenda they voted for and that Trump has been enacting.

    Another option that Rob forgot to include… :-)

     Blame the guilty, not the innocent. 

    Removing Trump from office, of course, is exceedingly unlikely to happen.

    However, Pelosi calculates that, while impeachment may cost her some seats in the House, she will still maintain control.

    Whereas putting pressure on vulnerable Republican Senators, whichever way they vote, might help ensure Democrat control of the Senate. 

    • #114
  25. RufusRJones Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    If Republican senators remove Trump from office then I will never vote for another Republican for the rest of my life, even my GOP state rep who lives down the street from me. Removing Trump from office would be a traitorous betrayal of the voters and the conservative policy agenda they voted for and that Trump has been enacting.

    Another option that Rob forgot to include… :-)

    Blame the guilty, not the innocent.

    Removing Trump from office, of course, is exceedingly unlikely to happen.

    However, Pelosi calculates that, while impeachment may cost her some seats in the House, she will still maintain control.

    Whereas putting pressure on vulnerable Republican Senators, whichever way they vote, might help ensure Democrat control of the Senate.

    Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™

    • #115
  26. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Does that fact not make the current hysteria over atmospheric CO2 a vastly overstated threat?

    The polar ice caps are relatively young. Estimates range between 5 and 15 million years, for the north pole, and the Antarctic can be no older than 3 million years. Meaning that the earth ‘normally’ does not have polar ice caps.

    Considering that humans (and other critters) live in climates ranging from the north pole to the Arabian Desert, isnt it unscientific to claim that a change of a few degrees will drive all living things to the brink of extinction?

    It’s ridiculous.  Even if we the planet warms to the level of the Cambrian era, when CO2 levels were 18 times current levels and the average temperature was 22C degrees compared to the current 14 C, to think life and humanity will be extinct is nonsense.  

    • #116
  27. Kozak Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Does that fact not make the current hysteria over atmospheric CO2 a vastly overstated threat?

    The polar ice caps are relatively young. Estimates range between 5 and 15 million years, for the north pole, and the Antarctic can be no older than 3 million years. Meaning that the earth ‘normally’ does not have polar ice caps.

    Considering that humans (and other critters) live in climates ranging from the north pole to the Arabian Desert, isnt it unscientific to claim that a change of a few degrees will drive all living things to the brink of extinction?

    Which makes the climate-alarmists seem rather selfish for demanding that Earth somehow bend to THEIR desires.

    But really, if the left were truly pro-science, they would be anti-abortion.

    “By 23 million years ago, Antarctica was mostly icy forest and for the last 15 million years, it has been a frozen desert under a thick ice sheet.”—sciencefocus.com

    There is definitely controversy over the age of the antarctic ice pack. I did a quick google on the subject this morning… They said the youngest possible date of the ice pack was at 3 million years, because of evidence of volcanic activity in the west of Antarctica.

    Ive also heard 30 million years… But the point I was making, that the polar ice caps are a relative recent development compared to the age of the earth. Look at this talk with Randall Carlson:

    30 million years is a blink of the eye in geologic time.

     

    • #117
  28. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    If Republican senators remove Trump from office then I will never vote for another Republican for the rest of my life, even my GOP state rep who lives down the street from me. Removing Trump from office would be a traitorous betrayal of the voters and the conservative policy agenda they voted for and that Trump has been enacting.

    Ditto.  I’ve already warned my GOP senators.

    • #118
  29. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    kedavis, I think you’re confusing “poll” with “conversation.” No poll can ever possibly cover all of the possible outcomes of a conversation.

    Hence the :-)

    But the small number of overly simplistic options given are, well… a small number, and overly simplistic.

    Heck, he didn’t even include “none of the above!”

    • #119
  30. kylez Member
    kylez
    @kylez

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Ricochet Audio Network:

    Some weeks, we have to hunt hard for topics. Other weeks, well, they rain down like a monsoon. The latter describes this week and to provide an umbrella we’ve got the Las Vegas Review-Journal’s White House correspondent Debra J. Saunders on the political topics (and a bit on San Francisco) and The Skeptical Environmentalist himself, Bjørn Lomborg, who at this moment, is the world’s second most famous Scandinavian authority in climate. Also, a new poll question (answer it!) and Lileks make a cameo appearance to award Ricochet member Kevin Creighton the highly coveted Lileks Post of The Week.

    Music from this week’s show: How Soon Was Then by The Smiths

    I think it was better by Love Spit Love. (Called How Soon Is Now?) This version was in the movie The Craft, and was used (in a shorter form) as the opening/theme for all 8 seasons of Charmed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiO0r0AoAA

    As seen here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQVzZayPpUM

    No. Way. I’d never heard that before but it is rather lifeless compared to the original. And yes, the title is wrong in the description. 

    • #120
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