The Case for Trump: Victor Davis Hanson Makes The Closing Argument

With a little over three weeks to go before the election, we thought it would a good time to have a heart to heart discussion with our good friend Victor Davis Hanson. the Classics professor, the military historian, the farmer, the cultural observer, and the author of The Case For Trump, his best selling book that came out in 2017 and was re-issued earlier this year. It’s the most cogent case we’ve seen for the re-election of the President. In this one on one conversation, Peter Robinson takes Victor through all the reasons to cast a vote for Donald Trump and challenges Victor with a few reasons not to pull the lever for him. It’s an enlightening and informative hour and should be required listening (if we do say so ourselves) for all voters, especially those who are still undecided. Have at it.

 

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  1. EHerring Coolidge
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    Last two minutes especially support my comment to the ricochet never trumper who thinks they will remake the party in their image once Trump is gone.

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  2. Pagodan Member
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    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):

    After listening to this podcast and the latest Q&A with Jay Nordlinger back to back, I have a strong desire for a no-holds-barred debate between VDH and Jay Nordlinger. Surely the Ricochet big wigs can make it happen.

    Last time I heard them on the same podcast was this Podcast just after the American Carnage inauguration speech. Nordlinger sounded like he was about to cry or and VDH pretended like he wasn’t listening to a grown man about to have a fainting spell. After the first 5 or so minutes VDH and the other adults moved the conversation along, while Nordlinger sulked.

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  3. Theodoric of Freiberg Member
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    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):

    After listening to this podcast and the latest Q&A with Jay Nordlinger back to back, I have a strong desire for a no-holds-barred debate between VDH and Jay Nordlinger. Surely the Ricochet big wigs can make it happen.

    Last time I heard them on the same podcast was this Podcast just after the American Carnage inauguration speech. Nordlinger sounded like he was about to cry or and VDH pretended like he wasn’t listening to a grown man about to have a fainting spell. After the first 5 or so minutes VDH and the other adults moved the conversation along, while Nordlinger sulked.

    I remember it well. I’m hoping that after four years, Mr. Nordlinger has composed himself well enough to actually debate.

    • #33
  4. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Yes, we did this on Inauguration Day 1/20/17. And added Mona Charen as a bonus guest too. It’s quite the conversation.

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  5. EHerring Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Yes, we did this on Inauguration Day 1/20/17. And added Mona Charen as a bonus guest too. It’s quite the conversation.

    Reminds me of the final two minutes of Pride and Prejudice, wedding scene where the happy and sad faces were in the pews.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Boney Cole (View Comment):

    Victor Davis Hanson has become a ubiquitous presence on the internet and especially on youtube. In witnessing this, I wonder “why now?” It appears, and his manner in this podcast seems to reinforce this impression, that he genuinely feels the patriotic necessity of doing all within his power to re-elect Donald Trump. I am very grateful for that. He is able to use his knowledge of the world of the middle class, lower middle class and immigrant to make arguments for Trump policies that most elite class pundits are unable to conceive, formulate, or exposit. He has a unique contribution to the national discussion.

    Which is exactly why someone like Jonah Goldberg would never engage in any kind of real debate/discussion with VDH.

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  8. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    EHerring (View Comment):

    Carl Pales (View Comment):

    If only Trump could make the case for Trump half as well as Hanson does, he would be in far better shape politically right now. Out on the campaign trail, Trump often seems bored talking about most of the accomplishments that Hanson lays out and instead rants about any slights, real or perceived. What a shame.

    If only the voters were smart enough to figure this out for themselves rather than having others explain it to them.

    Most Americans are “rationally ignorant” about politics and national policies.  They don’t have the time nor (often) the interest to study this stuff.  It’s Trump’s job to explain why people should vote for him.  Wishing for different voters (or for a different candidate) is not helpful at this point.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Carl Pales (View Comment):

    If only Trump could make the case for Trump half as well as Hanson does, he would be in far better shape politically right now. Out on the campaign trail, Trump often seems bored talking about most of the accomplishments that Hanson lays out and instead rants about any slights, real or perceived. What a shame.

    If only the voters were smart enough to figure this out for themselves rather than having others explain it to them.

    Most Americans are “rationally ignorant” about politics and national policies. They don’t have the time nor (often) the interest to study this stuff. It’s Trump’s job to explain why people should vote for him. Wishing for different voters (or for a different candidate) is not helpful at this point.

    It would help if the government would be more decentralized and stuck to actual “public goods”.

    Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™

    • #39
  10. Annefy Member
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    Outstanding.

    VDH does a better job than anyone explaining President Trump and his appeal to people like me. He’s a treasure.

    • #40
  11. Bishop Wash Member
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    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):

    After listening to this podcast and the latest Q&A with Jay Nordlinger back to back, I have a strong desire for a no-holds-barred debate between VDH and Jay Nordlinger. Surely the Ricochet big wigs can make it happen.

    Last time I heard them on the same podcast was this Podcast just after the American Carnage inauguration speech. Nordlinger sounded like he was about to cry or and VDH pretended like he wasn’t listening to a grown man about to have a fainting spell. After the first 5 or so minutes VDH and the other adults moved the conversation along, while Nordlinger sulked.

    Is that the one where Mr. Nordlinger said Trump’s speech sounded like a beer hall speech, with clear implications?

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  12. Architectus Coolidge
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    I regret that this system allows me to only record one “like” for this episode.  Victor Davis Hanson is a national treasure (I think I have said that before), and Peter Robinson is excellent as usual is bringing out all the issues for discussion. I only wish that every American would listen to this before voting.  

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  13. Freeven Inactive
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):
    What is Donald Trump’s legacy?

    He exposed the hyper-partisan, pro-Democrat media.

    • #43
  14. Freeven Inactive
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Who are these undecided people?

    I have a friend who says he is ‘undecided’. He likes Trump’s policies but hates Trump the person.

    Former naval intelligence officer

     

    In a perfect world, I vote for the guy with all the right policies and sterling character. In an imperfect world, I vote for the guy with mostly good policies and questionable character over the guy with mostly bad policies and questionable character.

    • #44
  15. The Cynthonian Member
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    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    Wow!

    This might be the best podcast ever recorded.

    I was thrilled by 45 seconds in, and it just kept getting better.

    At about 6 minutes in, I paused so that I could send a link to the podcast to as many friends as I could contact.

    Several times during the podcast the truth that Victor Davis Hanson speaks is so powerful, it brought tears to my eyes.

    The Ricochet member who really needs to hear this is Rob Long.

    • #45
  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Cynthonian (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    Wow!

    This might be the best podcast ever recorded.

    I was thrilled by 45 seconds in, and it just kept getting better.

    At about 6 minutes in, I paused so that I could send a link to the podcast to as many friends as I could contact.

    Several times during the podcast the truth that Victor Davis Hanson speaks is so powerful, it brought tears to my eyes.

    The Ricochet member who really needs to hear this is Rob Long.

    And read the comments, too.

    • #46
  17. Bishop Wash Member
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    Architectus (View Comment):

    I regret that this system allows me to only record one “like” for this episode. 

    That bug got fixed a few versions ago. You used to be able to record multiple likes, but I forget how it worked.

    • #47
  18. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Carl Pales (View Comment):

    If only Trump could make the case for Trump half as well as Hanson does, he would be in far better shape politically right now. Out on the campaign trail, Trump often seems bored talking about most of the accomplishments that Hanson lays out and instead rants about any slights, real or perceived. What a shame.

    If only the voters were smart enough to figure this out for themselves rather than having others explain it to them.

    Most Americans are “rationally ignorant” about politics and national policies. They don’t have the time nor (often) the interest to study this stuff. It’s Trump’s job to explain why people should vote for him. Wishing for different voters (or for a different candidate) is not helpful at this point.

    Do riots and anarchy and corruption need explaining?

     

    • #48
  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Carl Pales (View Comment):

    If only Trump could make the case for Trump half as well as Hanson does, he would be in far better shape politically right now. Out on the campaign trail, Trump often seems bored talking about most of the accomplishments that Hanson lays out and instead rants about any slights, real or perceived. What a shame.

    If only the voters were smart enough to figure this out for themselves rather than having others explain it to them.

    Most Americans are “rationally ignorant” about politics and national policies. They don’t have the time nor (often) the interest to study this stuff. It’s Trump’s job to explain why people should vote for him. Wishing for different voters (or for a different candidate) is not helpful at this point.

    Do riots and anarchy and corruption need explaining?

     

    Evidently so, if some voters can be convinced that they’re actually Trump’s fault.

    • #49
  20. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Freeven (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Who are these undecided people?

    I have a friend who says he is ‘undecided’. He likes Trump’s policies but hates Trump the person.

    Former naval intelligence officer

     

    In a perfect world, I vote for the guy with all the right policies and sterling character. In an imperfect world, I vote for the guy with mostly good policies and questionable character over the guy with mostly bad policies and questionable character.

    policies >>> character

    Character is overrated and yet I find the 2 to be correlated.

    Reagan had the right policies and charisma.

    Trump has blue collar charisma.

    Trump may lack etiquette but that does not make him corrupt or deplorable like Biden, who lacks intelligence and integrity

     

     

    • #50
  21. Jon1979 Inactive
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    The Cynthonian (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    Wow!

    This might be the best podcast ever recorded.

    I was thrilled by 45 seconds in, and it just kept getting better.

    At about 6 minutes in, I paused so that I could send a link to the podcast to as many friends as I could contact.

    Several times during the podcast the truth that Victor Davis Hanson speaks is so powerful, it brought tears to my eyes.

    The Ricochet member who really needs to hear this is Rob Long.

    If you want bonus Rob Long this week, he did the first of a two-part podcast with fellow Cheers writer Ken Levine. Haven’t listened to it yet, but if they get into politics be forewarned that Levine’s opinion of Trump makes Gary Robbins look like Sebatian Gorka, so I don’t think there’s going to be a lot of Trump cheerleading on this one.

    • #51
  22. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Dr.Guido (View Comment):

    @MrBitcoin I was a former USAF Intel Officer. I was saying ‘NEVER Trump” before I ever saw the #NeverTrumper meme on Twitter. I also came to grips with the fact that I was NOT voting for BFF or Parish Priest. I was voting for (and therefor against) policies that,applying enlightened self-interest and the Milton Friedman command: Always ask yourself :’COMPARED to what?’ resulted in a Trump vote. Once I got past my disgust with the term ‘binary choice’ I faced…a binary choice and hoped, after I voted for The Donald that he would move at least in the direction he promised. He did all that and more—I look at 300 Federal Judges and Gorsuch,Kavanaugh and now ACB and deregulation and his reflexive putting the sovereignty of the citizen ahead of the State and Jerusalem and daring to lead by confronting Little Kim face to face AND TELLING THE WORLD AND CHINA that the ‘infant industry protections’ China had enjoyed for FAR too long were over…and then, after the ‘what cudda been with HRC!’ I have no problem being disgusted with much of his persona but remain deeply attracted to his polices (on balance)…so a Trump vote is easier now than in 2016.

    (Compared to___________)

     

    I agree – I didn’t vote for either in 2016 but now I am officially a ‘deplorable’. 

    Trump vs left wing lunacy, the choice is easy

     

     

    • #52
  23. RufusRJones Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):
    Do riots and anarchy and corruption need explaining?

    No kidding.

    • #53
  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Freeven (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Who are these undecided people?

    I have a friend who says he is ‘undecided’. He likes Trump’s policies but hates Trump the person.

    Former naval intelligence officer

     

    In a perfect world, I vote for the guy with all the right policies and sterling character. In an imperfect world, I vote for the guy with mostly good policies and questionable character over the guy with mostly bad policies and questionable character.

    policies >>> character

    Character is overrated and yet I find the 2 to be correlated.

    Reagan had the right policies and charisma.

    Trump has blue collar charisma.

    Trump may lack etiquette but that does not make him corrupt or deplorable like Biden, who lacks intelligence and integrity

    Just remember, correlation is not causation.

     

     

    • #54
  25. Arahant Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):

    I regret that this system allows me to only record one “like” for this episode.

    That bug got fixed a few versions ago. You used to be able to record multiple likes, but I forget how it worked.

    Fast mouse-clicking in pairs, but it only worked on comments.

    • #55
  26. Kozak Member
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    Dr.Guido (View Comment):

    @MrBitcoin I was a former USAF Intel Officer. I was saying ‘NEVER Trump” before I ever saw the #NeverTrumper meme on Twitter. I also came to grips with the fact that I was NOT voting for BFF or Parish Priest. I was voting for (and therefor against) policies that,applying enlightened self-interest and the Milton Friedman command: Always ask yourself :’COMPARED to what?’ resulted in a Trump vote. Once I got past my disgust with the term ‘binary choice’ I faced…a binary choice and hoped, after I voted for The Donald that he would move at least in the direction he promised. He did all that and more—I look at 300 Federal Judges and Gorsuch,Kavanaugh and now ACB and deregulation and his reflexive putting the sovereignty of the citizen ahead of the State and Jerusalem and daring to lead by confronting Little Kim face to face AND TELLING THE WORLD AND CHINA that the ‘infant industry protections’ China had enjoyed for FAR too long were over…and then, after the ‘what cudda been with HRC!’ I have no problem being disgusted with much of his persona but remain deeply attracted to his polices (on balance)…so a Trump vote is easier now than in 2016.

    (Compared to___________)

     

    I think your name is Legion.

    • #56
  27. Kozak Member
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    Richard Fulmer (View Comment):

    “Trump envisioned decline as a Nietzschean matter of choice.”

    Yeah, right.

    I think VDH understands his comment and Nietzsche far better than you do.

    • #57
  28. Kozak Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Giulietta (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Who are these undecided people?

    I have a friend who says he is ‘undecided’. He likes Trump’s policies but hates Trump the person.

    Former naval intelligence officer

    Ditto for three female friends of mine. One is further right-leaning than the others and we chat about Douglas Murray and can talk about everything together, but none can really take the idea of voting for Trump. I can’t get into it with them- it’s a dead end and not worth it for the friendship. The first friend I mentioned is warmer but is thinking of voting for the 3rd party candidate- she would actually listen to this podcast if I sent it to her.

    Trump is the candidate of people who want to fight back against evil.

    But fighting back against evil is not natural to women. (Or women would have been murdering ISIS and Taliban leaders for decades now!) Women tend to work around evil, or endure evil, or appease evil; but avoid open conflict at almost any cost. There are obvious Darwinian reasons for this difference.

    The result in 2016 was that, among white men, Trump led Hillary by 30 points; while among white women Trump’s lead was only 2 points.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

    40% of new gun owners are women

    https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/gun-owners-spike-women-african-americans-kentucky-nationwide/417-c6b92a7e-08bc-4499-a81e-6a9a195078cb

     

    Not sure what these numbers mean. In any case, I think they shifted drastically after the riots began in late May:

    The National Shooting Sports Federation report found that a majority of those buying firearms are African American and 40 percent of Americans making purchases are women. The NSSF data was taken in a survey of firearms retailers from January through April of this year.

     

    5 million new gun owners… how many new gun owners will vote for Biden/Harris?

     

    Ugh. Unfortunately one of them is my son in law.   He refuses to believe that the Democrats will do exactly what they say they will do.

    • #58
  29. LibertyDefender Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Trump may lack etiquette but that does not make him corrupt or deplorable like Biden, who lacks intelligence and integrity

    Just remember, correlation is not causation.

    Except for CoViD deaths.  It’s science.

     

    • #59
  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Giulietta (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Who are these undecided people?

    I have a friend who says he is ‘undecided’. He likes Trump’s policies but hates Trump the person.

    Former naval intelligence officer

    Ditto for three female friends of mine. One is further right-leaning than the others and we chat about Douglas Murray and can talk about everything together, but none can really take the idea of voting for Trump. I can’t get into it with them- it’s a dead end and not worth it for the friendship. The first friend I mentioned is warmer but is thinking of voting for the 3rd party candidate- she would actually listen to this podcast if I sent it to her.

    Trump is the candidate of people who want to fight back against evil.

    But fighting back against evil is not natural to women. (Or women would have been murdering ISIS and Taliban leaders for decades now!) Women tend to work around evil, or endure evil, or appease evil; but avoid open conflict at almost any cost. There are obvious Darwinian reasons for this difference.

    The result in 2016 was that, among white men, Trump led Hillary by 30 points; while among white women Trump’s lead was only 2 points.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

    40% of new gun owners are women

    https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/gun-owners-spike-women-african-americans-kentucky-nationwide/417-c6b92a7e-08bc-4499-a81e-6a9a195078cb

     

    Not sure what these numbers mean. In any case, I think they shifted drastically after the riots began in late May:

    The National Shooting Sports Federation report found that a majority of those buying firearms are African American and 40 percent of Americans making purchases are women. The NSSF data was taken in a survey of firearms retailers from January through April of this year.

     

    5 million new gun owners… how many new gun owners will vote for Biden/Harris?

     

    Ugh. Unfortunately one of them is my son in law. He refuses to believe that the Democrats will do exactly what they say they will do.

    But he’s a new gun owner?  Why?  Does he think conservatives will suddenly begin to riot after Biden wins?

    • #60
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