Georgia On Our Minds

We’re back from the holiday break and have Georgia on our minds. As such we welcome Erick Erickson, host of “Atlanta’s Evening News” on WSB AM/FM, and he joins to us to analyze “suitcase-gate” and give us his take on January’s double US Senate election in the Peach State. (Erick’s podcast is available right here on Ricochet.)

Then we talk to old friend Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Professor of Medicine at Stanford University. As the Covid-19 vaccination comes to market, what’s the best way to do it? Who gets priority and who shouldn’t be bothered?

Eustace C. Scrubb walks away with the coveted Lileks Member Post of the Week for his essay on the passing of David Prowse, one half of the man behind Darth Vader.

Music from this week’s episode: The Devil Went Down to Georgia by Charlie Daniels.

 

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  1. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Taras (View Comment):

    Given how often it has been misreported and misunderstood, it’s probably necessary to review what Attorney General Bill Barr actually said about voter fraud:

    Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

    https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

    Barr’s statement is consistent with — already! — finding enough fraud to flip the results in, say, two states, but not three, so that with or without fraud Joe Biden would still be the winner in the Electoral College.

    No matter how clear the evidence turns out to be in the end, no judicial panel would ever dare give the election to Trump; especially not after a year in which the Left has so thoroughly demonstrated its propensity for violence.

    However, the more evidence of voter fraud that is unearthed, the less of a mandate Joe Biden and Kamala Harris can claim, and the less damage they can do.

    And so I ask the panelists, Erickson and Long especially, why are you fighting to protect Biden and Harris’ mandate?

    I think Erick Erickson explained in the beginning of his time on the podcast that he tries to tell his listeners the truth, even if his listeners get mad at him for telling the truth.  

    Erickson could say, “There was massive voter fraud,” and this would please the majority of his listeners.  It might be good, short term, for ratings.  But Erickson apparently isn’t comfortable telling his listeners things that he doesn’t believe are true.  

    The reality that there is always a temptation on the part of a losing campaign (for US Senate or President or State Senate) to blame the result on voter fraud.  

    It’s easier on the ego to say, “The voters didn’t reject me.  It was ballot stuffing that stole the election from me.”

    Erickson could pander to his listeners.  Instead he is willing to risk angering them while trying as best he can, to tell them the truth.  

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  2. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Given how often it has been misreported and misunderstood, it’s probably necessary to review what Attorney General Bill Barr actually said about voter fraud:

    Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

    https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

    Barr’s statement is consistent with — already! — finding enough fraud to flip the results in, say, two states, but not three, so that with or without fraud Joe Biden would still be the winner in the Electoral College.

    No matter how clear the evidence turns out to be in the end, no judicial panel would ever dare give the election to Trump; especially not after a year in which the Left has so thoroughly demonstrated its propensity for violence.

    However, the more evidence of voter fraud that is unearthed, the less of a mandate Joe Biden and Kamala Harris can claim, and the less damage they can do.

    And so I ask the panelists, Erickson and Long especially, why are you fighting to protect Biden and Harris’ mandate?

    I think Erick Erickson explained in the beginning of his time on the podcast that he tries to tell his listeners the truth, even if his listeners get mad at him for telling the truth.

    Erickson could say, “There was massive voter fraud,” and this would please the majority of his listeners. It might be good, short term, for ratings. But Erickson apparently isn’t comfortable telling his listeners things that he doesn’t believe are true.

    The reality that there is always a temptation on the part of a losing campaign (for US Senate or President or State Senate) to blame the result on voter fraud.

    It’s easier on the ego to say, “The voters didn’t reject me. It was ballot stuffing that stole the election from me.”

    Erickson could pander to his listeners. Instead he is willing to risk angering them while trying as best he can, to tell them the truth.

    It’s more an egotistical way of thinking he’s right while everybody else is wrong (or lying).  He has some expertise on Georgia politics, so his opinions on Georgia are worth taking into account.  

    But he is not an expert on election fraud; nor is he an expert on the politics of all the other states where election irregularities have been alleged.

    By all means, he should say what he thinks to be true, even if his opinion is poorly informed. But then, there are 10,000 topics he can talk about, without strengthening Joe Biden’s mandate.

    P.S.:  Given that Trump’s vote increased enormously from 2016 to 2020, it’s hard to claim voters “rejected” him.  He was defeated by a statistically freakish Biden vote.

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  3. Joker Member
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    @Joker

    Mark and Occupant make a lot of the points that have frustrated me for the last couple of weeks. As if the inconsistent down ballot results make sense. As if halting the ballot counting simultaneously in several democrat strongholds just makes sense. Who are these Republican voters who want their taxes going up while their guns are being grabbed? This election result suggests the emergence of a previously unknown large contingent of ticket splitting masochists. I don’t remember reading about them in the pre election polls.

    We know the myopic pride Democrats take in all the “firsts” they can take a bow for. And yet Biden racking up substantially more votes than the first black or woman at the top of the ticket makes sense somehow? And he manages this without a memorable gotcha moment, without a seriously popular policy (except maybe Not Bernie), without campaigning, etc. And to boot Joe is Jurassic, pale pre-boomer. Complete the following: Joe Biden is best known for ___________.

    Sadly, I haven’t seen any plausible explanation for any of this. Barr says it’s OK, so we just need to stop asking uncomfortable questions.

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  4. HeavyWater Inactive
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    @HeavyWater

    Joker (View Comment):

    This election result suggests the emergence of a previously unknown large contingent of ticket splitting masochists. 

    Actually, ticket splitting wasn’t nearly as frequent in the 2020 presidential election as it was in elections such in the 1980s and 1990s.  

    When Reagan won a 49 state victory in the 1984 presidential election, the net gain for Republicans in the US Senate was actually negative.  The GOP lost a net of 1 seat in the US Senate even as Reagan cruised to victory.  

    Some people, including my wife, just didn’t like Trump.  A friend of mine who lives in California has been a Republican his entire life, but didn’t like Trump and would not vote for either Biden or Trump.  

    Ticket splitting happens.  

    Trump has an abrasive style.  Some people like it.  But it seems over 80 million people do not.

     

     

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  5. Joseph Stocks Member
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    @JosephStocks

    The Georgia run-off elections serve as a test for our GOP betters in assessing their ‘surgical strike’ electoral theory of Trump’s defeat. I believe we have seen a number of ‘only Biden’ ballots but those cannot be in the mix in the January 5th election. So, the theory is Republicans just wanted to get rid of Trump but elect Republicans pretty much everywhere down ballot. This should bode well for Loeffler and Perdue. 

    Count me skeptical. My prediction is it will be close and just enough ballots will be found to get the two Democrats the win. 

    In which case, it was not a ‘surgical removal’ of Trump but corrupt machine politics that will hand Democrats every, or almost every close important race. 

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  6. Miffed White Male Member
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    Joker (View Comment):
    Sadly, I haven’t seen any plausible explanation for any of this.

    A lot of people hate Trump.

    What more do you need?

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  7. Bishop Wash Member
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    Joker (View Comment):
    And yet Biden racking up substantially more votes than the first black or woman at the top of the ticket makes sense somehow?

    It hit me a few weeks ago. People really, really love Biden and came out in 2008 to vote for him in large numbers even though he wasn’t at the top of the ticket. Now that he is the main attraction, even more people voted. More people in Wisconsin as a percentage voted than ever before by a huge number. Not fishy at all. Just lie back and think happy thoughts.

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  8. Taras Coolidge
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    @Taras

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Joker (View Comment):
    And yet Biden racking up substantially more votes than the first black or woman at the top of the ticket makes sense somehow?

    It hit me a few weeks ago. People really, really love Biden and came out in 2008 to vote for him in large numbers even though he wasn’t at the top of the ticket. Now that he is the main attraction, even more people voted. More people in Wisconsin as a percentage voted than ever before by a huge number. Not fishy at all. Just lie back and think happy thoughts.

    Good point!  After all, as the Democrats never cease to inform us, this is a racist country.

    Obviously the vote for Obama-Biden was really a vote for Biden!

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  9. HeavyWater Inactive
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    @HeavyWater

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):

    The Georgia run-off elections serve as a test for our GOP betters in assessing their ‘surgical strike’ electoral theory of Trump’s defeat. I believe we have seen a number of ‘only Biden’ ballots but those cannot be in the mix in the January 5th election. So, the theory is Republicans just wanted to get rid of Trump but elect Republicans pretty much everywhere down ballot. This should bode well for Loeffler and Perdue.

    Count me skeptical. My prediction is it will be close and just enough ballots will be found to get the two Democrats the win.

    In which case, it was not a ‘surgical removal’ of Trump but corrupt machine politics that will hand Democrats every, or almost every close important race.

    I think surgical strike was already proven.

    (R) David Perdue received about 80,000 more votes than (D) Jon Ossoff even as Trump received about 12,000 fewer votes than Joe Biden.

    (R) Susan Collins in Maine won her re-election decisively while Biden beat Trump in Maine decisively.  

    Same in the 2nd congressional district in Nebraska where 1 electoral vote was at stake.

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  10. Joseph Stocks Member
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    @JosephStocks

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):

    The Georgia run-off elections serve as a test for our GOP betters in assessing their ‘surgical strike’ electoral theory of Trump’s defeat. I believe we have seen a number of ‘only Biden’ ballots but those cannot be in the mix in the January 5th election. So, the theory is Republicans just wanted to get rid of Trump but elect Republicans pretty much everywhere down ballot. This should bode well for Loeffler and Perdue.

    Count me skeptical. My prediction is it will be close and just enough ballots will be found to get the two Democrats the win.

    In which case, it was not a ‘surgical removal’ of Trump but corrupt machine politics that will hand Democrats every, or almost every close important race.

    I think surgical strike was already proven.

    (R) David Perdue received about 80,000 more votes than (D) Jon Ossoff even as Trump received about 12,000 fewer votes than Joe Biden.

    (R) Susan Collins in Maine won her re-election decisively while Biden beat Trump in Maine decisively.

    Same in the 2nd congressional district in Nebraska where 1 electoral vote was at stake.

    A more accurate test of this theory will be without Trump or Biden on the ballot, correct? I’m told Trump is holding the GOP back (despite getting more votes in 2020 than 2016) so now we can see the non-Trump GOP flourish. Of course didn’t a Democrat operative admit that Trump helped down ballot races? 

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Zuckerberg bought the ***g o v e r n m e n t*** election system.

    What happened in 2020 is something more fundamental and profound. What happened in 2020 is cultural and systemic, and sadly, generally legal. Until Republicans, and more importantly Trump supporters, understand what happened to them this year, it will happen again.

    Two things happened in 2020. First, COVID led to a dismantling of state election integrity laws by everyone except the one body with the constitutional prerogative to change the rules of electing the president – the state legislatures.

    What these grants did was build structural bias into the 2020 election where structural bias matters most – in densely populated urban cores. It converted ***election offices*** in key jurisdictions with deep reservoirs of Biden votes into Formula One turnout machines. The hundreds of millions of dollars built systems, hired employees from activist groups, bought equipment and radio advertisements. It did everything that street activists could ever dream up to turn out Biden votes if only they had unlimited funding.

    In 2020, they had unlimited funding because billionaires made cash payments to 501(c)(3) charities that in turn made cash payments to government election offices.

    Flush with hundreds of millions in new cash, government election offices turned those donations into manpower, new equipment, and street muscle to turn often sluggish and incompetent urban election offices into massive Biden turnout machines across the country – in Madison, Milwaukee, Detroit, Lansing, Philadelphia, and Atlanta among dozens of others.

    Philadelphia’s election office budget was normally $9.8 million. The CLTC gave Philadelphia $10 million, more than doubling the city budget.

    Those millions were used to hire local activists as city employees to drive around and collect ballots. The millions bought new printers and scanners to accommodate mail ballots. Philadelphia established brand new satellite election offices across the most Biden-friendly neighborhoods in the entire Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. The millions bought scores of convenient drop boxes across the same neighborhoods where mail ballots could be conveniently dropped. Even though laws limited third parties from collecting and dropping off multiple ballots, people were photographed dropping off bundles of ballots at the boxes.

    If voters couldn’t muster the initiative to travel a few blocks to the drop-off boxes or new satellite offices, the city went to them to collect their ballot.

    https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2020/12/02/the-real-kraken-what-really-happened-to-donald-trump-in-the-2020-election-n1185494

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  12. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):

    The Georgia run-off elections serve as a test for our GOP betters in assessing their ‘surgical strike’ electoral theory of Trump’s defeat. I believe we have seen a number of ‘only Biden’ ballots but those cannot be in the mix in the January 5th election. So, the theory is Republicans just wanted to get rid of Trump but elect Republicans pretty much everywhere down ballot. This should bode well for Loeffler and Perdue.

    Count me skeptical. My prediction is it will be close and just enough ballots will be found to get the two Democrats the win.

    In which case, it was not a ‘surgical removal’ of Trump but corrupt machine politics that will hand Democrats every, or almost every close important race.

    I think surgical strike was already proven.

    (R) David Perdue received about 80,000 more votes than (D) Jon Ossoff even as Trump received about 12,000 fewer votes than Joe Biden.

    (R) Susan Collins in Maine won her re-election decisively while Biden beat Trump in Maine decisively.

    Same in the 2nd congressional district in Nebraska where 1 electoral vote was at stake.

    A more accurate test of this theory will be without Trump or Biden on the ballot, correct? I’m told Trump is holding the GOP back (despite getting more votes in 2020 than 2016) so now we can see the non-Trump GOP flourish. Of course didn’t a Democrat operative admit that Trump helped down ballot races?

    In Georgia, Trump got 2,461,837 votes; Perdue, 2,462,617.  

    Looks like pretty minor “surgery”!  

    In the other race Loeffler and several other Republicans got 2,426,120, put together.

    • #42
  13. Joker Member
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    Sure Heavy Water. I remember Reagan campaigning on raising everybody’s taxes while confiscating firearms and promising to spend trillions on ecology projects that don’t actually rank high on American’s list of priorities.

    Point taken on ticket splitting, I just don’t see it happening in 2020.

    Having said that, I’ve heard people gripe about what I consider completely irrelevant Trump habits. Like not wearing a mask is more important than the incredible unemployment rate. Like calling out the MSM in blunt terms is more important than destroying ISIS and drawing troops out of IRAQ and Afghanistan. Like tweeting is more important than resisting the lopsided trade and intellectual property theft by the PRC. Like his appearance is more important than his judicial appointments.

    I have a hard time understanding conservatives who think that their policy preferences have a better chance under President Biden. Or President Harris.

    • #43
  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Joker (View Comment):
    I have a hard time understanding conservatives who think that their policy preferences have a better chance under President Biden. Or President Harris.

     

     

     

    I have explained this over and over. You have to look at the way things are now. The GOP hasn’t been that great for a couple of decades. 

     

     

     

     

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  15. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Even if this type of “vote counting” only happened in a few select places, how can they ‘splain it, Lucy?

    Also the Benford’s Law problem is a problem. Biden’s vote totals when charted surge and spike over the coarse of the night. Trump’s do not. If both candidates votes where being treated the same, they would show similar patterns when charted. They do not.

    Those who have not seen any evidence of election fraud, are speaking before there has been an investigation. It maybe too soon to call the bloody corpse in the study a murder victim, but until there is an investigation its too soon to call it “natural causes”.

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  16. HeavyWater Inactive
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Even if this type of “vote counting” only happened in a few select places, how can they ‘splain it, Lucy?

    Also the Benford’s Law problem is a problem. Biden’s vote totals when charted surge and spike over the coarse of the night. Trump’s do not. If both candidates votes where being treated the same, they would show similar patterns when charted. They do not.

    Those who have not seen any evidence of election fraud, are speaking before there has been an investigation. It maybe too soon to call the bloody corpse in the study a murder victim, but until there is an investigation its too soon to call it “natural causes”.

    This all reminds me of the way opponents of Brett Kavanaugh spoke.  “There hasn’t been a complete FBI investigation on charges of sexual assault on the part of Kavanaugh,” these opponents said.  “We can’t confirm Kavanaugh while he is under a cloud of suspicion.  

    It’s similar in this case.  Biden won the election.  The state and federal courts, including when Trump nominated federal judges have ruled, have ruled against Trump’s attempts to have ballots tossed out. 

    Trump lost.  It’s over.  When Democrats complained that Russians had altered vote totals in the 2016 presidential elections (Harry Reid said this), Republicans laughed.  We should be laughing at Trump for making similar claims.

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  17. kedavis Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Even if this type of “vote counting” only happened in a few select places, how can they ‘splain it, Lucy?

    Also the Benford’s Law problem is a problem. Biden’s vote totals when charted surge and spike over the coarse of the night. Trump’s do not. If both candidates votes where being treated the same, they would show similar patterns when charted. They do not.

    Those who have not seen any evidence of election fraud, are speaking before there has been an investigation. It maybe too soon to call the bloody corpse in the study a murder victim, but until there is an investigation its too soon to call it “natural causes”.

    This all reminds me of the way opponents of Brett Kavanaugh spoke. “There hasn’t been a complete FBI investigation on charges of sexual assault on the part of Kavanaugh,” these opponents said. “We can’t confirm Kavanaugh while he is under a cloud of suspicion.

    It’s similar in this case. Biden won the election. The state and federal courts, including when Trump nominated federal judges have ruled, have ruled against Trump’s attempts to have ballots tossed out.

    Trump lost. It’s over. When Democrats complained that Russians had altered vote totals in the 2016 presidential elections (Harry Reid said this), Republicans laughed. We should be laughing at Trump for making similar claims.

    You’re forgetting which side is usually delusional and projecting their own behavior, versus which side isn’t/doesn’t.

    • #47
  18. Al Sparks Thatcher
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    Wolfsheim (View Comment):

    The Japanese monarchy remains remarkably popular and, on the whole, non-controversial, and that is because the members of the imperial family are expected to adhere to rather strict guidelines. They hold no vast personal wealth, and whatever their private views on various subjects, they are expected to keep them private. Years ago, a prince, now deceased, went to the then emperor and asked permission to become a commoner. The request was refused, and that was the end of that…Some members are more admirable than others, but their scandals are relatively minor. The likes of a Prince Charles, Prince Andrew, or Prince Harry are unthinkable.

    There are some significant differences between Japan’s post WWII monarchy and the UK’s.

    From Wikipedia:

    Unlike many constitutional monarchs, the emperor is not the nominal chief executive. Most constitutional monarchies formally vest executive power in the monarch, but the monarch is bound by convention to act on the advice of the cabinet. In contrast, Article 65 of the Constitution of Japan explicitly vests executive power in the Cabinet, of which the prime minister is the leader. The emperor is also not the commander-in-chief of the Japan Self-Defense Forces. The Japan Self-Defense Forces Act of 1954 also explicitly vests this role with the prime minister.

    Also, the American occupation forces led by MacArthur abolished titles of nobility in 1947.  So after 1947, any prince had commoner status unless he was in the direct line of succession.

    Also, the Emperor’s family doesn’t have the same private wealth the UK’s royal family does, so those family members really are commoners in deed as well as fact.

    So that’s a big reason why you are less likely to have equivalent Prince Charles or Prince Edwards.  They have to go out and get real jobs, or at least semi-real jobs, and they can’t afford to jet set around the world.

    Sure the Japanese have a different culture, but human nature is human nature and the real reason their royal family is restrained is because they have less of one, and no personal wealth to flaunt.

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  19. DonG (Biden is compromised) Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Erick Erickson knows his stuff.

    Thanks for another great podcast guys.

    No.  He is dumb as a rock, when it comes to math.  He does know Georgia, but don’t be impressed by his vast confidence.

    • #49
  20. DonG (Biden is compromised) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    “We just don’t see anything–any evidence that would overturn the election results.”

    Seriously? None of you see a problem with a statement like this coming from ANYONE?

    We had a judge in Pennsylvania say that 2 million mail-in ballots in PA were illegal, but it was too late to remedy.  Expect the same from WI and NV.   I guess the existence of that judge is a conspiracy theory;)

    • #50
  21. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    DonG (Biden is compromised) (View Comment):
    We had a judge in Pennsylvania say that 2 million mail-in ballots in PA were illegal, but it was too late to remedy.

    I have paid close attention to this.  Going by the Constitution, the Pennsylvania legislature should throw out 800,000 ballots at the least. I don’t know about the other states.

    • #51
  22. HeavyWater Inactive
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    @HeavyWater

    There are some counties in Texas where Biden had a huge increase in the vote compared to Hillary Clinton four years earlier. 

    Bexar county: 319,550—>448,452

    Travis county: 308,260—>433,062

    Tarrant county: 288,392—>411,567

    Collin county: 140,624—>230,945

    Denton county: 110,890—>188,695

    Williamson county: 84,468—>142,457

    • #52
  23. Dr.Guido Member
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    There are 3 seasons of Babylon Berlin—is the recommendation for the current year or go back to Season 1?

    Dr. J is a national treasure.

    The newest mystery is why so many folks who (largely) had stellar legal reputations until about 33 days ago decided that doing a Jonestown was a great idea…they seem to have brought their own Kool-Ade as well.

    Thatcher, Reagan, Solzhenitsyn and Pope St.JPII saved the world….not a hint of that in The Crown. (the BBC isn’t too, too pro Yank.)

    • #53
  24. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Joker (View Comment):

    This election result suggests the emergence of a previously unknown large contingent of ticket splitting masochists.

    Actually, ticket splitting wasn’t nearly as frequent in the 2020 presidential election as it was in elections such in the 1980s and 1990s.

    When Reagan won a 49 state victory in the 1984 presidential election, the net gain for Republicans in the US Senate was actually negative. The GOP lost a net of 1 seat in the US Senate even as Reagan cruised to victory.

    Some people, including my wife, just didn’t like Trump. A friend of mine who lives in California has been a Republican his entire life, but didn’t like Trump and would not vote for either Biden or Trump.

    Ticket splitting happens.

    Trump has an abrasive style. Some people like it. But it seems over 80 million people do not.

    Over 81 million people voted for Biden.

    • #54
  25. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    @GaryRobbins

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There are some counties in Texas where Biden had a huge increase in the vote compared to Hillary Clinton four years earlier.

    Bexar county: 319,550—>448,452

    Travis county: 308,260—>433,062

    Tarrant county: 288,392—>411,567

    Collin county: 140,624—>230,945

    Denton county: 110,890—>188,695

    Williamson county: 84,468—>142,457

    In Arizona, in my Coconino County, Hillary beat Trump by 11,400 votes in 2016.  In 2020, Biden beat Trump by over 17,000 votes in 2020.

    The 2020 election was a referendum on Trump.  Trump lost.  And if we nominate Trump or one of his children in 2024, we will lose again.

    • #55
  26. Miffed White Male Member
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    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Joker (View Comment):

    This election result suggests the emergence of a previously unknown large contingent of ticket splitting masochists.

    Actually, ticket splitting wasn’t nearly as frequent in the 2020 presidential election as it was in elections such in the 1980s and 1990s.

    When Reagan won a 49 state victory in the 1984 presidential election, the net gain for Republicans in the US Senate was actually negative. The GOP lost a net of 1 seat in the US Senate even as Reagan cruised to victory.

    Some people, including my wife, just didn’t like Trump. A friend of mine who lives in California has been a Republican his entire life, but didn’t like Trump and would not vote for either Biden or Trump.

    Ticket splitting happens.

    Trump has an abrasive style. Some people like it. But it seems over 80 million people do not.

    Over 81 million people voted for Biden.

    Over 81 million votes were counted for Biden.

    • #56
  27. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There are some counties in Texas where Biden had a huge increase in the vote compared to Hillary Clinton four years earlier. 

    Bexar county: 319,550—>448,452

    Travis county: 308,260—>433,062

    Tarrant county: 288,392—>411,567

    Collin county: 140,624—>230,945

    Denton county: 110,890—>188,695

    Williamson county: 84,468—>142,457

    If this is supposed to negate the data from Steve Cortes or The Federalist, I don’t see it. 

    • #57
  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary, why does your data negate the data from Steve Cortes or The Federalist?

    • #58
  29. HeavyWater Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There are some counties in Texas where Biden had a huge increase in the vote compared to Hillary Clinton four years earlier.

    Bexar county: 319,550—>448,452

    Travis county: 308,260—>433,062

    Tarrant county: 288,392—>411,567

    Collin county: 140,624—>230,945

    Denton county: 110,890—>188,695

    Williamson county: 84,468—>142,457

    If this is supposed to negate the data from Steve Cortes or The Federalist, I don’t see it.

    What did Steve Cortes or The Federalist write about Texas?

    • #59
  30. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There are some counties in Texas where Biden had a huge increase in the vote compared to Hillary Clinton four years earlier.

    Bexar county: 319,550—>448,452

    Travis county: 308,260—>433,062

    Tarrant county: 288,392—>411,567

    Collin county: 140,624—>230,945

    Denton county: 110,890—>188,695

    Williamson county: 84,468—>142,457

    If this is supposed to negate the data from Steve Cortes or The Federalist, I don’t see it.

    What did Steve Cortes or The Federalist write about Texas?

    Trump got all of the Texas electoral votes. It has nothing to do with what we are talking about. There were like four states that had anomalous spikes in votes compared to the rest of the country, and that was the only reason Biden won.  

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