Fishing Expedition

Since our plans to hide away forever at a remote Minnesotan lake house were dashed – on account of James not having one for us – we decided instead to jump on into the mucky swamp that’s swallowed up our institutions. At least we have Eli Lake (who, as you’ll hear, knows everybody) to tour us through the law enforcement agencies who’ve undermined their standing with the public in order to get the guy who they blame for undermining the public’s trust in them…

Also, the hosts chat some about the former rep from Wyoming; a Florida judge who hopes to stop Gov. DeSantis from stopping the woke; Lileks is seeing a resurgence of masking; plus, Rob had lunch with Viktor Orbán!

(And check out Eli’s podcast.)

 

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    I hope you don’t view podcasts as just disposable entertainment.

    I reserve every view possible of podcasts. All of them. Now what are you going to do?

    My only objection, if I were on the same roads as you at the same time, would be your distracted driving. If you insist that you’re not distracted, then Hey, it’s your time and money to waste on stuff you’re not actually hearing and remembering and understanding (because you’re properly focused on driving), if that’s what you want.

    But your claim that you can do both well is not credible. Even if you haven’t been specifically tested.

    For some reason, this reminds me of the women who claim (sometimes on Ricochet, although it’s been a while since I’ve seen it come up) that giving birth is the most painful thing possible, for sure the most painful thing a woman can experience; even when women who have both given birth AND had kidney stones, tell them that kidney stones are worse. The women who have only given birth, but not had kidney stones, still insist that giving birth is the most painful thing. And they cannot be convinced otherwise, even by “their own kind.”

    As some others (perhaps including you) have said, you can’t reason someone out of a position that they didn’t arrive at through reason. So I can easily understand why there’s no reasoning with you on this. There’s no REASON to believe you can give proper attention to both a podcast and driving at the same time, so that’s not why you believe it. And so you can’t be convinced otherwise using reason.

    Your beef is with the authorities that don’t outlaw listening to talk radio. You need to get on that.

    Naw, cuz someone could prop up a portable TV on the passenger seat and be watching that instead of paying attention to driving.  That doesn’t mean all broadcast TV must be stopped, Just In Case.  Nor that DVD sales must be outlawed, because someone might be watching a DVD movie instead of paying attention…  those are the responsibilities of the drivers.  Too many drivers don’t observe them, and they should be seriously hammered when caught.

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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Or, if you did retain and comprehend, that means if something unusual happened during your drive, you would be completely surprised and unprepared. Maybe it hasn’t happened YET, but that doesn’t make me wrong. (Also, it’s true that some people breeze happily along the road causing mayhem around them, blissfully unaware of their impact. So you could possibly be one of those.)

    They could outlaw talk radio! I never thought of that before. Why didn’t I think of that?

    One reason people would subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh site was to get podcasts, transcripts, etc, because they couldn’t absorb it all by listening in the car for a short time during their lunch break, etc. Also, Rush got many calls (I heard some of them) from people who might listen in their cars, because there was no AM radio at their office, but were NOT DRIVING. And I remember some radio shows that specifically would not take calls from people while they were driving, for similar reasons.

    Yeah, the authorities aren’t going to do anything about outlawing talk radio because there is nothing to do about it. The authorities already control phone calling in a moving car. 

    Is this moving the needle with anybody? lol

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    If one’s focus is the 2020 election, this podcast may have some non-conforming utterances, but the interview began with Eli talking about how the latest news is more dopamine jolts for blueanon and their all-consuming Trump fixation, so this wasn’t exactly the Liz Cheney amen-corner songfest, no?

    Here’s Eli Lake speaking for himself:

    “I’m mostly on Liz Cheney’s side …”

    “I agree with her about the election …”

    “The stuff from elements of MAGA-world about Liz Cheney, the obsession, it’s so over the top …”

    The other panelists did not express disagreement with Lake’s observations. Too polite, no doubt!

    The election was lost, not stolen. https://ricochet.com/1285677/lost-not-stolen-the-conservative-case-that-trump-lost-and-biden-won-the-2020-presidential-election/

    Then why are you in favor of unnecessary election reforms?

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    I hope you don’t view podcasts as just disposable entertainment.

    I reserve every view possible of podcasts. All of them. Now what are you going to do?

    My only objection, if I were on the same roads as you at the same time, would be your distracted driving. If you insist that you’re not distracted, then Hey, it’s your time and money to waste on stuff you’re not actually hearing and remembering and understanding (because you’re properly focused on driving), if that’s what you want.

    But your claim that you can do both well is not credible. Even if you haven’t been specifically tested.

    For some reason, this reminds me of the women who claim (sometimes on Ricochet, although it’s been a while since I’ve seen it come up) that giving birth is the most painful thing possible, for sure the most painful thing a woman can experience; even when women who have both given birth AND had kidney stones, tell them that kidney stones are worse. The women who have only given birth, but not had kidney stones, still insist that giving birth is the most painful thing. And they cannot be convinced otherwise, even by “their own kind.”

    As some others (perhaps including you) have said, you can’t reason someone out of a position that they didn’t arrive at through reason. So I can easily understand why there’s no reasoning with you on this. There’s no REASON to believe you can give proper attention to both a podcast and driving at the same time, so that’s not why you believe it. And so you can’t be convinced otherwise using reason.

    Your beef is with the authorities that don’t outlaw listening to talk radio. You need to get on that.

    Naw, cuz someone could prop up a portable TV on the passenger seat and be watching that instead of paying attention to driving. That doesn’t mean all broadcast TV must be stopped, Just In Case. Nor that DVD sales must be outlawed, because someone might be watching a DVD movie instead of paying attention… those are the responsibilities of the drivers. Too many drivers don’t observe them, and they should be seriously hammered when caught.

    I know somewhere, this is moving the needle on somebody. lol

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Or, if you did retain and comprehend, that means if something unusual happened during your drive, you would be completely surprised and unprepared. Maybe it hasn’t happened YET, but that doesn’t make me wrong. (Also, it’s true that some people breeze happily along the road causing mayhem around them, blissfully unaware of their impact. So you could possibly be one of those.)

    They could outlaw talk radio! I never thought of that before. Why didn’t I think of that?

    One reason people would subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh site was to get podcasts, transcripts, etc, because they couldn’t absorb it all by listening in the car for a short time during their lunch break, etc. Also, Rush got many calls (I heard some of them) from people who might listen in their cars, because there was no AM radio at their office, but were NOT DRIVING. And I remember some radio shows that specifically would not take calls from people while they were driving, for similar reasons.

    Yeah, the authorities aren’t going to do anything about outlawing talk radio because there is nothing to do about it. The authorities already control phone calling in a moving car.

    Is this moving the needle with anybody? lol

    Listening to podcasts etc distracts the mind, regulations on making phone calls in cars are about “distracting” the HANDS, which are needed for other things while driving.  I’ve not heard of any place restricting hands-free phone calls, although arguably they should.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Or, if you did retain and comprehend, that means if something unusual happened during your drive, you would be completely surprised and unprepared. Maybe it hasn’t happened YET, but that doesn’t make me wrong. (Also, it’s true that some people breeze happily along the road causing mayhem around them, blissfully unaware of their impact. So you could possibly be one of those.)

    They could outlaw talk radio! I never thought of that before. Why didn’t I think of that?

    One reason people would subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh site was to get podcasts, transcripts, etc, because they couldn’t absorb it all by listening in the car for a short time during their lunch break, etc. Also, Rush got many calls (I heard some of them) from people who might listen in their cars, because there was no AM radio at their office, but were NOT DRIVING. And I remember some radio shows that specifically would not take calls from people while they were driving, for similar reasons.

    Yeah, the authorities aren’t going to do anything about outlawing talk radio because there is nothing to do about it. The authorities already control phone calling in a moving car.

    Is this moving the needle with anybody? lol

    Listening to podcasts etc distracts the mind, regulations on making phone calls in cars are about “distracting” the HANDS, which are needed for other things while driving. I’ve not heard of any place restricting hands-free phone calls, although arguably they should.

    You were the one that brought in phoning, not me. 

    Your beef is with them not outlawing talk radio in cars. I would recommend starting with a strongly worded letter. 

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Or, if you did retain and comprehend, that means if something unusual happened during your drive, you would be completely surprised and unprepared. Maybe it hasn’t happened YET, but that doesn’t make me wrong. (Also, it’s true that some people breeze happily along the road causing mayhem around them, blissfully unaware of their impact. So you could possibly be one of those.)

    They could outlaw talk radio! I never thought of that before. Why didn’t I think of that?

    One reason people would subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh site was to get podcasts, transcripts, etc, because they couldn’t absorb it all by listening in the car for a short time during their lunch break, etc. Also, Rush got many calls (I heard some of them) from people who might listen in their cars, because there was no AM radio at their office, but were NOT DRIVING. And I remember some radio shows that specifically would not take calls from people while they were driving, for similar reasons.

    Yeah, the authorities aren’t going to do anything about outlawing talk radio because there is nothing to do about it. The authorities already control phone calling in a moving car.

    Is this moving the needle with anybody? lol

    Listening to podcasts etc distracts the mind, regulations on making phone calls in cars are about “distracting” the HANDS, which are needed for other things while driving. I’ve not heard of any place restricting hands-free phone calls, although arguably they should.

    You were the one that brought in phoning, not me.

    Your beef is with them not outlawing talk radio in cars. I would recommend starting with a strongly worded letter.

    I thought I was clear about that.  The obligation is for drivers to not be distracted.  That’s for the drivers to deal with, whether that means not eating, not putting on makeup, not reading the paper… and not trying to seriously listen to podcasts, or books-on-tape, etc.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Or, if you did retain and comprehend, that means if something unusual happened during your drive, you would be completely surprised and unprepared. Maybe it hasn’t happened YET, but that doesn’t make me wrong. (Also, it’s true that some people breeze happily along the road causing mayhem around them, blissfully unaware of their impact. So you could possibly be one of those.)

    They could outlaw talk radio! I never thought of that before. Why didn’t I think of that?

    One reason people would subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh site was to get podcasts, transcripts, etc, because they couldn’t absorb it all by listening in the car for a short time during their lunch break, etc. Also, Rush got many calls (I heard some of them) from people who might listen in their cars, because there was no AM radio at their office, but were NOT DRIVING. And I remember some radio shows that specifically would not take calls from people while they were driving, for similar reasons.

    Yeah, the authorities aren’t going to do anything about outlawing talk radio because there is nothing to do about it. The authorities already control phone calling in a moving car.

    Is this moving the needle with anybody? lol

    Listening to podcasts etc distracts the mind, regulations on making phone calls in cars are about “distracting” the HANDS, which are needed for other things while driving. I’ve not heard of any place restricting hands-free phone calls, although arguably they should.

    You were the one that brought in phoning, not me.

    Your beef is with them not outlawing talk radio in cars. I would recommend starting with a strongly worded letter.

    I thought I was clear about that. The obligation is for drivers to not be distracted. That’s for the drivers to deal with, whether that means not eating, not putting on makeup, not reading the paper… and not trying to seriously listen to podcasts, or books-on-tape, etc.

    If you want to put on a sandwichboard and walk around with this concept, I’m behind you 100%.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    AND ANOTHER THING: if I ever find out that you have poorly comprehended a podcast and you don’t listen to it again I’m going to be really mad. 

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  10. Miffed White Male Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    For some reason, this reminds me of the women who claim (sometimes on Ricochet, although it’s been a while since I’ve seen it come up) that giving birth is the most painful thing possible, for sure the most painful thing a woman can experience; even when women who have both given birth AND had kidney stones, tell them that kidney stones are worse. The women who have only given birth, but not had kidney stones, still insist that giving birth is the most painful thing. And they cannot be convinced otherwise, even by “their own kind.”

    This is exactly why I come to the Internet every day.

    Likewise my theory that getting kicked in the testicles is more painful than childbirth.  My evidence?  Lots of women have more than one child.  No guy (with very few exceptions) wants to get kicked in the testicles more than once.

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    For some reason, this reminds me of the women who claim (sometimes on Ricochet, although it’s been a while since I’ve seen it come up) that giving birth is the most painful thing possible, for sure the most painful thing a woman can experience; even when women who have both given birth AND had kidney stones, tell them that kidney stones are worse. The women who have only given birth, but not had kidney stones, still insist that giving birth is the most painful thing. And they cannot be convinced otherwise, even by “their own kind.”

    This is exactly why I come to the Internet every day.

    Likewise my theory that getting kicked in the testicles is more painful than childbirth. My evidence? Lots of women have more than one child. No guy (with very few exceptions) wants to get kicked in the testicles more than once.

    I’m laughing so hard I can’t breathe. lol

    LETS MAKE THIS LONG!

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    For some reason, this reminds me of the women who claim (sometimes on Ricochet, although it’s been a while since I’ve seen it come up) that giving birth is the most painful thing possible, for sure the most painful thing a woman can experience; even when women who have both given birth AND had kidney stones, tell them that kidney stones are worse. The women who have only given birth, but not had kidney stones, still insist that giving birth is the most painful thing. And they cannot be convinced otherwise, even by “their own kind.”

    This is exactly why I come to the Internet every day.

    Likewise my theory that getting kicked in the testicles is more painful than childbirth. My evidence? Lots of women have more than one child. No guy (with very few exceptions) wants to get kicked in the testicles more than once.

    Maybe if there was something more to it than just pain…

    Meanwhile, there actually is a fetish for getting kicked in the testicles, aka “ball-busting.”  Some men actually hire people to do it to them, “for pleasure.”

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    For some reason, this reminds me of the women who claim (sometimes on Ricochet, although it’s been a while since I’ve seen it come up) that giving birth is the most painful thing possible, for sure the most painful thing a woman can experience; even when women who have both given birth AND had kidney stones, tell them that kidney stones are worse. The women who have only given birth, but not had kidney stones, still insist that giving birth is the most painful thing. And they cannot be convinced otherwise, even by “their own kind.”

    This is exactly why I come to the Internet every day.

    Likewise my theory that getting kicked in the testicles is more painful than childbirth. My evidence? Lots of women have more than one child. No guy (with very few exceptions) wants to get kicked in the testicles more than once.

    Maybe if there was something more to it than just pain…

    Meanwhile, there actually is a fetish for getting kicked in the testicles, aka “ball-busting.” Some men actually hire people to do it to them, “for pleasure.”

    OF COURSE THERE IS. THIS IS SO INTERESTING. 

    I am totally pro-Internet! lol

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  14. Charlotte Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    For some reason, this reminds me of the women who claim (sometimes on Ricochet, although it’s been a while since I’ve seen it come up) that giving birth is the most painful thing possible, for sure the most painful thing a woman can experience; even when women who have both given birth AND had kidney stones, tell them that kidney stones are worse. The women who have only given birth, but not had kidney stones, still insist that giving birth is the most painful thing. And they cannot be convinced otherwise, even by “their own kind.”

    This is exactly why I come to the Internet every day.

    Likewise my theory that getting kicked in the testicles is more painful than childbirth. My evidence? Lots of women have more than one child. No guy (with very few exceptions) wants to get kicked in the testicles more than once.

    Perhaps one of the silver linings of our current gender-confused moment will be to find out once and for all which one hurts more.

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  15. Charlotte Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    I hope you don’t view podcasts as just disposable entertainment. 

    Of course (the vast majority of) podcasts are disposable entertainment. 

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    I hope you don’t view podcasts as just disposable entertainment.

    Of course (the vast majority of) podcasts are disposable entertainment.

    Well I only listen to a few, so I guess I don’t have that perspective.

    If I’m listening to something as just disposable entertainment, that I wouldn’t even pay much attention to while listening and certainly wouldn’t care about remembering, why bother with “talking heads?”  Music is better for that.

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    I hope you don’t view podcasts as just disposable entertainment.

    Of course (the vast majority of) podcasts are disposable entertainment.

    Well I only listen to a few, so I guess I don’t have that perspective.

    If I’m listening to something as just disposable entertainment, that I wouldn’t even pay much attention to while listening and certainly wouldn’t care about remembering, why bother with “talking heads?” Music is better for that.

    I think you secretly wish you were Nicolae Ceaușescu. 

    You can admit it. If you don’t, I am going to diagnose you with narcissistic personality disorder.

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  18. EJHill Podcaster
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    Charlotte)Of course (the vast majority of) podcasts are disposable entertainment. 

    Nothing is more disposable than news. News is an open jar of mayonnaise in 85° weather.

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Charlotte): Of course (the vast majority of) podcasts are disposable entertainment.

    Nothing is more disposable than news. News is an open jar of mayonnaise in 85° weather.

    I listen to and save the good ones, that are valuable and useful even years later.

     

    https://www.adrive.com/public/DS9Nut/NARN%2012-02-06%20NARN%201%20Hour%202%20Mark%20Steyn.mp3

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Charlotte): Of course (the vast majority of) podcasts are disposable entertainment.

    Nothing is more disposable than news. News is an open jar of mayonnaise in 85° weather.

    I listen to and save the good ones, that are valuable and useful even years later.

     

    https://www.adrive.com/public/DS9Nut/NARN%2012-02-06%20NARN%201%20Hour%202%20Mark%20Steyn.mp3

    WELL THAT SETTLES IT

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  21. Ernst Rabbit von Hasenpfeffer Member
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    The end of downtown office culture in small and medium sized cities does feel like a loss.  But commuter culture in the largest cities, centered around central skyscraper-ridden office districts, was immiserating and unsustainable.  It was going away regardless, or rather morphing into something else.  It will take a generation or two to sort out office real estate.

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  22. Barbara Duran Thatcher
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    Could Eli Lake and Rob Long find me more contemptible than they do now?  I don’t see how.  This podcast really hurt until I realized I was helping to pay for the glib mockery of my certainty that Biden’s win was not “fair and square,” that Liz Cheney’s behavior on the J6 committee has been shameful, and that MTG And Kari Lake are worthy candidates.  I’m getting what I deserve and have helped fund, apparently, when I can get it free from the mainstream press and the current administration.  I will miss James Lileks though; he is what brought me to Ricochet and my loyalty to him has kept me here.

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  23. Boethius1261972 Inactive
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    @jameslileks – Let’s have lunch at Andrea Pizza one day and we can commiserate over masks and the end of downtown Minneapolis.  I have to work in the office Tuesdays and Wednesdays and would work down there more if gas didn’t cost so much, my company would provide peons like me parking, MetroTransit was actually safe – I used to ride the Blue Line but things were getting dicey even before Covid – and they gave me my 452 express bus back which they took away, and there weren’t so many weirdos hanging out in the skyways.  The Eagan Costco is filled with young people in masks and it makes me angry every time I go.  I want to move my family but of course we’re stuck.  But isn’t it great that the Great Minnesota Get Together is back on and Walz will be re-elected in a landslide?  Isn’t there supposed to be some really cool Minnesota think tank that is working to make things better for conservatives here?  If there is I sure haven’t noticed anything improving.  There, now I’m even more depressed.

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  24. Taras Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Maybe if you were tested on comprehension and retention of the podcast material afterward, and/or if you were somehow tested for driving ability along the way?

    This is not a cogent argument. You are the only person that thinks like this.

     

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Women think they can drive safely and put on makeup at the same time too, and they’re also wrong.

    This is not comparable to listening to people talk.

    If you’re spending time listening to a podcast and not comprehending/retaining the information because you are – as you should be – focused on driving, what good is it? Rather than a 35-minute drive, better to have a 10-minute drive to work, and have 25 minutes at home or somewhere else undistracted, to pay attention to a podcast.

    You may think you’re retaining and comprehending what you hear, but I bet that if seriously tested, you would fail. Or, if you did retain and comprehend, that means if something unusual happened during your drive, you would be completely surprised and unprepared. Maybe it hasn’t happened YET, but that doesn’t make me wrong. (Also, it’s true that some people breeze happily along the road causing mayhem around them, blissfully unaware of their impact. So you could possibly be one of those.)

    When listening to music etc, I’m not trying to remember or understand lyrics etc. It’s just entertainment. Or even “background noise.” I hope you don’t view podcasts as just disposable entertainment. Especially if you’re paying money for them. Radio music is usually free.

    This guy may have been happily listening to a podcast:

     

    You are always making arguments like you are a lawyer defending a client. I am not going to be persuaded by this.

     

    Did you say, “This guy”?

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  25. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    If one’s focus is the 2020 election, this podcast may have some non-conforming utterances, but the interview began with Eli talking about how the latest news is more dopamine jolts for blueanon and their all-consuming Trump fixation, so this wasn’t exactly the Liz Cheney amen-corner songfest, no?

    Here’s Eli Lake speaking for himself:

    “I’m mostly on Liz Cheney’s side …”

    “I agree with her about the election …”

    “The stuff from elements of MAGA-world about Liz Cheney, the obsession, it’s so over the top …”

    The other panelists did not express disagreement with Lake’s observations. Too polite, no doubt!

    The election was lost, not stolen. https://ricochet.com/1285677/lost-not-stolen-the-conservative-case-that-trump-lost-and-biden-won-the-2020-presidential-election/

    Then why are you in favor of unnecessary election reforms?

    The real question about 2020 is whether the election was stolen legally, or stolen illegally.

    By “stolen legally”, I am referring to the suppression of the New York Post on Biden family corruption by Facebook and Twitter and Google; as well as Mark Zuckerberg employing loopholes to contribute $420 million to “fix” the election process in Democrat districts.  

    Given how close the election was in swing states, these Big Tech interventions — which, I’m sure, you do not deny — almost certainly decided the election.

    The extent to which the election was “stolen illegally”; e.g., by things like 100% turnouts in Wisconsin nursing homes, is still in dispute.  (“What, you want to disenfranchise Senile Americans!”)

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    Barbara Duran (View Comment):

    Could Eli Lake and Rob Long find me more contemptible than they do now? I don’t see how. This podcast really hurt until I realized I was helping to pay for the glib mockery of my certainty that Biden’s win was not “fair and square,” that Liz Cheney’s behavior on the J6 committee has been shameful, and that MTG And Kari Lake are worthy candidates. I’m getting what I deserve and have helped fund, apparently, when I can get it free from the mainstream press and the current administration. I will miss James Lileks though; he is what brought me to Ricochet and my loyalty to him has kept me here.

    I prefer to think of it as supporting conversations such as this one.  Anyway it’s not my $5 per month that enables Rob to hang out in Hungary and then swan about Tunisia for a week.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    If one’s focus is the 2020 election, this podcast may have some non-conforming utterances, but the interview began with Eli talking about how the latest news is more dopamine jolts for blueanon and their all-consuming Trump fixation, so this wasn’t exactly the Liz Cheney amen-corner songfest, no?

    Here’s Eli Lake speaking for himself:

    “I’m mostly on Liz Cheney’s side …”

    “I agree with her about the election …”

    “The stuff from elements of MAGA-world about Liz Cheney, the obsession, it’s so over the top …”

    The other panelists did not express disagreement with Lake’s observations. Too polite, no doubt!

    The election was lost, not stolen. https://ricochet.com/1285677/lost-not-stolen-the-conservative-case-that-trump-lost-and-biden-won-the-2020-presidential-election/

    Then why are you in favor of unnecessary election reforms?

    The real question about 2020 is whether the election was stolen legally, or stolen illegally.

    By “stolen legally”, I am referring to the suppression of the New York Post on Biden family corruption by Facebook and Twitter and Google; as well as Mark Zuckerberg employing loopholes to contribute $420 million to “fix” the election process in Democrat districts.

    Given how close the election was in swing states, these Big Tech interventions — which, I’m sure, you do not deny — almost certainly decided the election.

    The extent to which the election was “stolen illegally”; e.g., by things like 100% turnouts in Wisconsin nursing homes, is still in dispute. (“What, you want to disenfranchise Senile Americans!”)

    Seems like I’ve read somewhere that the “Zuckbucks” stuff was actually illegal at the time, they just got around it somehow.  Or maybe just did it anyway, figuring there would be no punishment.

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Seems like I’ve read somewhere that the “Zuckbucks” stuff was actually illegal at the time,

    Not very much of it under ordinary legal theories. They blew it in Wisconsin, for sure. 

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  29. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    kedavis (View Comment):

    The extent to which the election was “stolen illegally”; e.g., by things like 100% turnouts in Wisconsin nursing homes, is still in dispute. (“What, you want to disenfranchise Senile Americans!”)

    Seems like I’ve read somewhere that the “Zuckbucks” stuff was actually illegal at the time, they just got around it somehow.  Or maybe just did it anyway, figuring there would be no punishment.

    As Al Gore said, “there is no controlling authority”.   If Dems want to run elections outside the “time and manner” rules of the legislature, who is there to stop them?   Democrat judges?  

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    The extent to which the election was “stolen illegally”; e.g., by things like 100% turnouts in Wisconsin nursing homes, is still in dispute. (“What, you want to disenfranchise Senile Americans!”)

    Seems like I’ve read somewhere that the “Zuckbucks” stuff was actually illegal at the time, they just got around it somehow. Or maybe just did it anyway, figuring there would be no punishment.

    As Al Gore said, “there is no controlling authority”. If Dems want to run elections outside the “time and manner” rules of the legislature, who is there to stop them? Democrat judges?

    Even supposed Republican/conservative judges ran and hid.

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