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Nope. He didn’t say shootings, he said the way Black men are generally treated by the police. Big difference.
As I recall, Heather Mac Donald has found similar factual evidence there.
A lot of it seems to boil down to, when most people have an “interaction” with police, they tend to understand “I did something wrong.” The problem comes when someone having an “interaction” with police, assumes “THEY (the police) did something wrong.” But that assertion doesn’t make it true.
Ok, but that’s not what your original comment was about. Nice goal post moving.
On the other hand, I don’t even pretend or claim to be a commentator or pundit. So if I don’t cover 100% of the ground the first time out, it’s because I’m just a regular person.
Rough crowd. @blueyeti, don’t let these few get you down.
Guys, if the podcasts upset you so much, don’t listen to them.
No worries. I enjoy the debate.
I agree. At the end of the day… it’s just a bunch of opinions you don’t like.
State legislators voted for this to flip the bird to Black people and the rest of the country. It’s been a racist symbol ever since.
BLM sucks when it comes to actually working at aggregate statistics, but being black is a disadvantage when you are dealing with police. Everyone needs to act accordingly.
I can never relate to all of the upset here. They do a good job of aggregating different views. It never bothers me. I just want to hear what people have to say. People freak out like the whole website is run by Bill Kristol, Mona Charen, and Rick Wilson.
The data including from Heather Mac Donald would seem to indicate that, if anything, police are actually MORE circumspect when dealing with black people, because they know anything they do might turn into a career-ender, or worse.
I highly doubt that driving while black, walking while black etc. has improved very much. That’s what I’m saying.
That’s an assertion that doesn’t seem to be borne out by the evidence available. White people get stopped by police too, but we don’t think it’s “because” we’re white. Maybe the first assumption for other people shouldn’t be that it’s “because” they’re black, or brown, or whatever. If the evidence shows that, for example, that’s maybe something being promulgated by media and others for their own reasons, the first step might be to look elsewhere for causes.
If blacks are overrepresented in crime they are going to get more attention. That’s all.
Which is also part of what Heather Mac Donald discussed. There are other aspects too. Someone – maybe it was Thomas Sowell, maybe it was someone in the comments, I don’t remember – pretty much conceded that black drivers tend to have a “heavier foot,” I think they called it. That’s going to get attention too. And if you’re lackadaisical about using turn signals or whatever, guess what? You didn’t get pulled over “because you’re driving while black.”
There can be other issues too. I’ve known people who had cars where the turn signals didn’t actually start “blinking” for a few seconds. But they apparently thought it was enough that they moved the lever, and then turned. Not noticing that the signal didn’t actually start working until they had already finished turning. (Or changing lanes, or whatever.) If they got stopped for that, was it because they were “driving while black?” No, it’s because they didn’t understand how their car worked.
Tech question For @blueyeti re download numbers: I subscribe through ITunes and Superfeed. My IPad Pro is an older One, bought when 32g storage was plenty. In early days, I downloaded everything and had it set to auto delete after listening. With more shows added all the time, I had to change settings to reduce downloads. With only 2g left, I am down to manually downloading?/streaming? when I listen. For some podcasts, this is a week to a month later. Does this mess up your counters? Does downloading the title and info from Superfeed count or must I listen to the show to count. Next IPad will be a gazinga gigabyte one just for ricochet.
I also went duhhuh 🤦, I can download to the Apple TV and IPhone (used when in car), but I need a Motrin or two before I sort out that.
Another way of looking at it is: they lost the war; now the North had come back to trample them again.
Let them have their symbols, and names on a few military bases.
Putting the Confederate battle flag in there was a consolation prize for losers.
The meaning of the flag is, “Hey, we got beat — but we lost with style!”
[Fixed a spelling error.]
I’m not black. I’ll never feel threatened by a cop. But I wish the complaint by a black man about police racial profiling was always accompanied by an acknowledgement of the high black crime statistics. At least he should ask whether the profiling would diminish if the crime stats did too. The skin color is immutable but the crime rate is not.
Oh no, I listened to what Trump said the first day, then Trump’s hostage video on the second day, and then what Trump said in the lobby of the Trump Tower on the third day. I just don’t give a lot of credence to compelled hostage videos, like the one on the second day. I think that the first day and the third day when Trump spoke with great emotion are the “real” Trump. And the “real” Trump needs to be defeated.
The highest predictor of if someone will become a lawyer is if they argued with their parents over EVERYTHING when they were in 6th day.
@garyrobbins The Lincoln Project is on record that their objective is to get rid of all pro-Trump Senators. Any comment?
Great talk. Always enjoy Bethany Mandel and Heather MacDonald.
Iam fairly pro-Trump. Not so much because of Trump, but Trump doesnt exist in a vacuum. If its not Trump then who would it be? Hillary Clinton? I couldn’t support that, and for all the disquiet of the anti-Trumpers, President Hillary would be far worse. Maybe a little more polite. For all the noise the anti-Trump makes what has he done to earn the vitriol? Now, I understands that he occasionally tweets and says somethings that are unwise, unkind or braggadocios. But what has he done to earn the accusations of the rabid anti-Trumpers?
No, after McCain came back on the floor of the Senate, he implored his colleagues to send the matter to a Senate Committee under regular order and he made clear that if the repeal bill had not been the subject of hearings and negotiations as part of regular order, then his vote couldn’t be counted on. McConnell tried to call McCain’s bluff. McConnell lost, when a bill that had never gone through the committee process was put on the floor.
The ACA wasn’t passed under regular order.
It’s a scam to force single payer.
Well they chose a tyrant as their avatar so are they acting true to form?
Hey @garyrobbins
https://lincolnproject.us/news/state-of-the-race/
Did McCain make it a practice to vote against every bill that wasn’t done under regular order? Because if not, then that’s a BS excuse.
In brief, yes.
In 2016, I voted third party for president and for Republicans otherwise.
In 2018, I voted Republican for Senate and Governor, and Democrat when the Republican candidates were overtly pro=Trump, as in the Republican Candidate for Secretary of State. I urged a vote for a Republican Senate which would confirm Judges, and keep bad legislation bottled up, but a vote for Democrats in the House for a check on Trump.
In 2020. the calculus has shifted. Let me explain.
–In 1974, the Republican Senators forced the resignation of Richard Nixon.
–In 1999, the Democrat Senators took a position that while what Bill Clinton had done was wrong, it did not rise to the level of removal.
–On July 25, 2019, Trump overtly tried to bride Ukraine’s President for Trump’s own personal benefit, using public funds. That was clearly wrong. During the impeachment, Republican Senators could have come to the conclusion like Democrats in 1999 that while what Trump did was wrong, it did not rise to the level of impeachment. That half-way step would have been acceptable to me, while I preferred the Romney votes first to hear witnesses, and then to remove Trump. But only one Republican Senator had the cojones to say the obvious, that what Trump had done was wrong. Only retiring Lamar Alexander stood up for truth, right and decency. All of the other Republican Senators refused to hear witnesses, and then refused to say that what Trump had done was wrong.
On June 1, 2020, George Will wrote:
In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.
Other than Romney and Alexander, no Republican Senators deserve my vote, as they wholly failed to say what is obvious to me on its face, that what Trump did was wrong. To hell with them, or at least the ones who are up for election in 2020.
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