College Rules

This week, we start the show with a deep dive on…Beto O’Rourke (hey, know thine enemy, folks). Then Las Vegas Review-Journal  White House Correspondent Debra Saunders joins to discuss the Emergency Powers veto — what happened, what will happen, and why some Republican senators voted against it. Then Tim Carney stops by to discuss his new book Alienated America: Why Some Places Thrive While Others Collapse. It’s a fascinating discussion about class, family, and faith. Finally, we wrap things up with a sobering talk about the horrific mass shooting in New Zealand and ruminate on the college acceptance scandal. Booyah.

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  1. Taras Coolidge
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Mr. Michael Garrett (View Comment):

    Interesting approach to call out by name the freeloaders. Ricochet is going 180 degrees from the standard PBS-style approach of acknowledging those who pony up. In which group is the vanity more compelling?

    Rob Long’s approach to marketing is indeed unusual. First, he insults Donald Trump and Trump supporters, and then asks Trump supporters for money.

    Yeah, how dare he tell the truth as he sees it.

    He has every right, of course; but he shouldn’t be surprised at the result.

    Based on the “likes” I see when pro- and anti-Trump members mix it up on Ricochet, I estimate the former outnumber the latter here by about three-to-one.  On the other hand, the podcasters here tend to be anti-Trump.

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  2. Charlotte Member
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    @blueyeti, the show description still says Las Vegas Sun instead of the guest’s actual employer.

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  3. PHCheese Inactive
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    @PHCheese

    I was in the first graduation class of the college where I went. It was a requirement for me to graduate that I took the GRA. I had absolute no idea of going to grad school but I applied myself to the GRA. My college had been a two year business school with  not  much of a reputation. I only had a 3.0 grade point however I scored in the 99 percentile on the GRA. I was flooded with offers to grad school. I joined the Army instead.

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  4. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    By the way, can I trade places with Rob in that photo? I’d love to be that close to Lori Loughlin! She’s one of the most gorgeous women ever. (As opposed to AOC for example, who I’ve heard is “attractive” but I just don’t see it.)

    Or if you can’t set me up with Lori Loughlin, then Neve Campbell will do. :-)

    AOC’s ‘beauty’ is media gaslighting , much like the years they spent and still spend telling us Michelle is beautiful . Sorry folks, it just ain’t happening no how much they insist. 

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    IMO, Tim Carney and Ben Sasse say similar things, but I prefer Carney’s version because he talks more about how centralized government gets in the way. It would be really interesting to hear an Austrian economist comment on those books. (not an expert, my analysis maybe wrong here)

    I really like James’ characterization of the liberal arts as it is now. It’s supposed to be about making you think more critically and learn about the world, but really it’s just a scam for credentials. The whole system needs to be massively overhauled. 

    If they separated the STEM and the productive stuff like accounting from everything else and sold them ala carte, things would improve in a hurry. The aggregate value would improve massively. 

    I’ll never forget when I was in college I met so many people that were really smart that were really bitter about having to “waste’ their time and money on liberal arts classes. They were there to get into position to make money and nothing else and they thought you were a complete idiot if you didn’t see it that way.

     

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  6. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    By the way, can I trade places with Rob in that photo? I’d love to be that close to Lori Loughlin! She’s one of the most gorgeous women ever. (As opposed to AOC for example, who I’ve heard is “attractive” but I just don’t see it.)

    Or if you can’t set me up with Lori Loughlin, then Neve Campbell will do. :-)

    AOC’s ‘beauty’ is media gaslighting , much like the years they spent and still spend telling us Michelle is beautiful . Sorry folks, it just ain’t happening no how much they insist.

     Remember, Washington is “Hollywood for ugly people“.  Compared to prevailing standards, AOC is a knockout.

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  7. Freesmith Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    By the way, can I trade places with Rob in that photo? I’d love to be that close to Lori Loughlin! She’s one of the most gorgeous women ever. (As opposed to AOC for example, who I’ve heard is “attractive” but I just don’t see it.)

    Or if you can’t set me up with Lori Loughlin, then Neve Campbell will do. :-)

    AOC’s ‘beauty’ is media gaslighting , much like the years they spent and still spend telling us Michelle is beautiful . Sorry folks, it just ain’t happening no how much they insist.

    Remember, Washington is “Hollywood for ugly people“. Compared to prevailing standards, AOC is a knockout.

    Compared to the standard of Kristi Noem, Tulsi Gabbard or Melania Trump? 

    I don’t think so.

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  8. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    Freesmith (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    By the way, can I trade places with Rob in that photo? I’d love to be that close to Lori Loughlin! She’s one of the most gorgeous women ever. (As opposed to AOC for example, who I’ve heard is “attractive” but I just don’t see it.)

    Or if you can’t set me up with Lori Loughlin, then Neve Campbell will do. :-)

    AOC’s ‘beauty’ is media gaslighting , much like the years they spent and still spend telling us Michelle is beautiful . Sorry folks, it just ain’t happening no how much they insist.

    Remember, Washington is “Hollywood for ugly people“. Compared to prevailing standards, AOC is a knockout.

    Compared to the standard of Kristi Noem, Tulsi Gabbard or Melania Trump?

    I don’t think so.

    I’d like to take my senator , cute as a button Kirsten Gillibrand , to the prom, but the idea of her as President is laughable. 

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  9. Freesmith Member
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    In case anyone wants to read the NY Times piece on Baltimore that Rob referenced, here it is: (Unfortunately, it might be behind a paywall if you’ve used up your free article monthly quota.)

    If you’re interested in a critical take on the Times’ (and ProPublica’s) formulaic analysis, you might want to try this one by Tom Scocca. 

    Of course, neither dwells on the fact that Baltimore is 68% black, except insofar as that seems to incite a more debilitating racism to afflict the people who live there than in other cities, and to result in the citizens of Baltimore being forced to do terrible things to each other and descend into criminal anarchy.

    “Root causes,” you know.

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  10. Freesmith Member
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    This Tim Carney is not my idea of a conservative. He’s one of these AEI conservatives whose bread is buttered by the business interests who fund that think tank.

    The tip-off is in his discussion of social cohesion. Like his emeritus colleague, Charles Murray, Carney goes on and on about “little platoons,” communal breakdown, the decline of marriage, and fatherless homes. No “big government solutions” are thought to be anything but counter-productive. The loss of the factory or main employer in a community is accepted as a factor contributing to societal discord, but not the central one, nor a development that we Americans can really do anything about – or else, Socialism!

    Three subjects are not broached by Carney: immigration, race and free trade. After all, what could rapid, massive demographic change, multi-culturalism and the disruptions of transnational capitalism have to do with The Way We Live Now? It’s all very neo-libertarian, very corporate-friendly, and Carney’s discussion ends with little more than a hopeful shrug about forming a little platoon of your own. Comfy. As comfy as an Asness Chair.

    (Murray is far more brilliant, but having been burned by a phony racism charge over his excellent “The Bell Curve,” he avoided race explicitly in “Coming Apart.” Just like Carney, however, Murray had nothing whatsoever to say about any effects of immigration in the book’s study of working class “Fishtown.” Look for the word “immigration” in the index of “Coming Apart.” You won’t find it.)

    Let me know when a guest comes on to talk about American social dysfunction in an honest, comprehensive  way. I promise to listen.

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    One problem that Texas is getting into, is that when the leftys flee the disaster they voted for in PRC (People’s Republic of California) to Texas, they start voting for the same disaster they just fled. Which explains Beto’s near-victory over Ted Cruz.

    And Beto as the Democrat nominee isn’t just Trump’s worst fear. It is – or at least should be – the country’s too. Does anyone think fun-loving Beto would nominate anything close to conservative judges/justices, etc? But heck, he’s LIKEABLE! In that sense he’s no different from Clinton and Obama. And yet I can easily believe Rob Long and Jonah Goldberg and many others would vote for Beto over Trump in 2020. Or not voting at all, which contributes to the same result.

    Then nominate someone other than Trump.

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    One problem that Texas is getting into, is that when the leftys flee the disaster they voted for in PRC (People’s Republic of California) to Texas, they start voting for the same disaster they just fled. Which explains Beto’s near-victory over Ted Cruz.

    And Beto as the Democrat nominee isn’t just Trump’s worst fear. It is – or at least should be – the country’s too. Does anyone think fun-loving Beto would nominate anything close to conservative judges/justices, etc? But heck, he’s LIKEABLE! In that sense he’s no different from Clinton and Obama. And yet I can easily believe Rob Long and Jonah Goldberg and many others would vote for Beto over Trump in 2020. Or not voting at all, which contributes to the same result.

    Then nominate someone other than Trump.

    Who’s job is it to make that happen?

    • #42
  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    @GaryRobbins

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    One problem that Texas is getting into, is that when the leftys flee the disaster they voted for in PRC (People’s Republic of California) to Texas, they start voting for the same disaster they just fled. Which explains Beto’s near-victory over Ted Cruz.

    And Beto as the Democrat nominee isn’t just Trump’s worst fear. It is – or at least should be – the country’s too. Does anyone think fun-loving Beto would nominate anything close to conservative judges/justices, etc? But heck, he’s LIKEABLE! In that sense he’s no different from Clinton and Obama. And yet I can easily believe Rob Long and Jonah Goldberg and many others would vote for Beto over Trump in 2020. Or not voting at all, which contributes to the same result.

    Then nominate someone other than Trump.

    Who’s job is it to make that happen?

    I believe the premise was the need to avoid electing Beto.  The best answer would be to not re-nominate Trump.

    • #43
  14. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Hey Peter,

    Is it possible for you to promote a big Republican tent without criticizing the Bulwark at the 30 minute point.

    My response was visceral.  Keep it up Peter, and lose the Presidency, and a half dozen more governors, senators, representatives and legislators.  See the 2018 results where we lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs.

    Gary

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    One problem that Texas is getting into, is that when the leftys flee the disaster they voted for in PRC (People’s Republic of California) to Texas, they start voting for the same disaster they just fled. Which explains Beto’s near-victory over Ted Cruz.

    And Beto as the Democrat nominee isn’t just Trump’s worst fear. It is – or at least should be – the country’s too. Does anyone think fun-loving Beto would nominate anything close to conservative judges/justices, etc? But heck, he’s LIKEABLE! In that sense he’s no different from Clinton and Obama. And yet I can easily believe Rob Long and Jonah Goldberg and many others would vote for Beto over Trump in 2020. Or not voting at all, which contributes to the same result.

    Then nominate someone other than Trump.

    Who’s job is it to make that happen?

    I believe the premise was the need to avoid electing Beto. The best answer would be to not re-nominate Trump.

    This solution had to be done years ago by the GOPe and the RNC. Your beef is with the GOP ruling class.

    • #45
  16. Pagodan Member
    Pagodan
    @MatthewBaylot

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hey Peter,

    Is it possible for you to promote a big Republican tent without criticizing the Bulwark at the 30 minute point.

    My response was visceral. Keep it up Peter, and lose the Presidency, and a half dozen more governors, senators, representatives and legislators. See the 2018 results where we lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs.

    Gary

     

    The Bulwark isn’t helping anyone win anything. It’s the last stop for bitter losers one step from going full Boot/Nichols. Good for Peter for calling it out for what it is.

     

    • #46
  17. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    @blueyeti, the show description still says Las Vegas Sun instead of the guest’s actual employer.

    Fixed. Made that mistake when we taped the show too and Deb corrected it and we re-did it. You would think I would have gotten it right when it came time to write the description…but no.

    • #47
  18. SParker Member
    SParker
    @SParker

    J Ro (View Comment):

    “Betto” or “Beitow” … I don’t know! Surely his path to POTUS is through the Texas governor’s mansion.

    I appreciate Rob’s call out to Conrad and his book “The Secret Agent” for its insights into today’s terrorism. How deeply Conrad understood his fellow humans.

    As for the main scandal this week, it is shocking to find out that USC does not already have a School of Social Media which offers degrees in Instagram Arts and scholarships for those who are gifted enough to have already earned the title “Obscure Celebrity.”

     

     

    Karl Rove sez “eh.”  He can also tap the “t.”  Although his preferred pronunciation is “Robert Francis.” I trust him on this as well his estimate that the man is a talented retail politician.

    Man, if Rob had just mentioned The Way of All Flesh as a critique of genteel credentialed poverty, it would have been a Victorian literature twofer.  After I read it, I came to the view that it should be the first required text for all literature majors–with an essay “Have I Thought My Choice of Major Through?” due the next Tuesday.

    The shocking thing to me is that anyone considers USC an elite school, having spent my life thinking of it as a very expensive license plate, but one that tells me everything I need to know about the owner of that Porsche.  The best lesson I got in college came from walking into a Freshman seminar with the great Robert Brentano 15 minutes late.  As I opened the door, he was just finishing up the traditional 2nd week exhortation “time to saddle up, do the reading, and disabuse yourselves of the notion that ‘optional’ Friday afternoon lectures means what you think it does, little cowboys and cowgirls.”  His peroration was: “If you don’t want to work, go to USC.”  That, reinforced by my timing, has stuck with me long after the color returned to my face.

    • #48
  19. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Brent Chambers (View Comment):
    We had free cross registration with Harvard and I took two classes there. The Harvard classes were “No show” A’s. I did attend class because I was actually interested in the material, but the Harvard students showed up sporadically. Occasionally, we would have a Harvard student in one of our classes. They would drop quickly or whine through out the semester.

    Very interesting. No wonder Harvard accepted David Hogg

    Harvard . . . one of the two pipelines to the Supreme Court.  Will we see a Hogg nomination by President Chelsea Clinton?

    • #49
  20. Stad Coolidge
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    @Stad

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    One problem that Texas is getting into, is that when the leftys flee the disaster they voted for in PRC (People’s Republic of California) to Texas, they start voting for the same disaster they just fled. Which explains Beto’s near-victory over Ted Cruz.

    And Beto as the Democrat nominee isn’t just Trump’s worst fear. It is – or at least should be – the country’s too. Does anyone think fun-loving Beto would nominate anything close to conservative judges/justices, etc? But heck, he’s LIKEABLE! In that sense he’s no different from Clinton and Obama. And yet I can easily believe Rob Long and Jonah Goldberg and many others would vote for Beto over Trump in 2020. Or not voting at all, which contributes to the same result.

    Then nominate someone other than Trump.

    Who’s job is it to make that happen?

    I believe the premise was the need to avoid electing Beto. The best answer would be to not re-nominate Trump.

    If Trump can beat the invincible Hillary Clinton, he can beat the skateboarding frat boy who married into big money.

    I know where Peter is coming from about likeability, but I believe we’ve reached a point where results matter more than likeability or even conservative principles, especially when we’re on the verge of losing the country.

    • #50
  21. Joe D. Inactive
    Joe D.
    @JosephDornisch

    I would like to petition all conservatives to please start referring to ‘Beto’ O’Roarke as Bobby O’Roarke.

    • #51
  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    Then nominate someone other than Trump.

    Who’s job is it to make that happen?

    I believe the premise was the need to avoid electing Beto. The best answer would be to not re-nominate Trump.

    If Trump can beat the invincible Hillary Clinton, he can beat the skateboarding frat boy who married into big money.

    I know where Peter is coming from about likeability, but I believe we’ve reached a point where results matter more than likeability or even conservative principles, especially when we’re on the verge of losing the country.

    It was already like that in 2016, if not earlier, but that didn’t seem to be enough to shake loose many like Rob Long and Jonah Goldberg.  And 2020 may not either.

    • #52
  23. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hey Peter,

    Is it possible for you to promote a big Republican tent without criticizing the Bulwark at the 30 minute point.

    My response was visceral. Keep it up Peter, and lose the Presidency, and a half dozen more governors, senators, representatives and legislators. See the 2018 results where we lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs.

    Gary

    Gary, are you kidding me?  The Bulwark folks have utterly abandoned any attempt to promote a big Republican tent.

    My negative response to the Bulwark is as visceral as your negative response to any criticism of them.

    • #53
  24. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hey Peter,

    Is it possible for you to promote a big Republican tent without criticizing the Bulwark at the 30 minute point.

    My response was visceral. Keep it up Peter, and lose the Presidency, and a half dozen more governors, senators, representatives and legislators. See the 2018 results where we lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs.

    Gary

     

    The Bulwark isn’t helping anyone win anything. It’s the last stop for bitter losers one step from going full Boot/Nichols. Good for Peter for calling it out for what it is.

    Well thank you for calling me a bitter loser!  

    In 1996, 1998 and 2000 we won the overall House vote by .4-1.3%.  In 2018, we lost the over-all House vote by 9%, our worst showing since the 1974 Watergate elections!  We lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs.  If we keep Trump, and we can lose a half-dozen Senators, Governors, Representatives and hundreds of legislators.

    • #54
  25. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hey Peter,

    Is it possible for you to promote a big Republican tent without criticizing the Bulwark at the 30 minute point.

    My response was visceral. Keep it up Peter, and lose the Presidency, and a half dozen more governors, senators, representatives and legislators. See the 2018 results where we lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs.

    Gary

    Gary, are you kidding me? The Bulwark folks have utterly abandoned any attempt to promote a big Republican tent.

    My negative response to the Bulwark is as visceral as your negative response to any criticism of them.

    Their was Conservatism before Trump’s toxic populism invaded the party aided by the “plurality wins all delegates” rules.  (In South Carolina, Trump won 32% of the vote and got all 50 delegates, while Rubio and Cruz each won 22% of the vote and got no delegates.). After Trump, the Republican Party can return to being the Party of Reagan.

    I invite you to read the articles at The Bulwark, and to listen to the best daily podcast today, “The Daily Bulwark,” which is even better than “The Three Martini Lunch.”

    • #55
  26. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hey Peter,

    Is it possible for you to promote a big Republican tent without criticizing the Bulwark at the 30 minute point.

    My response was visceral. Keep it up Peter, and lose the Presidency, and a half dozen more governors, senators, representatives and legislators. See the 2018 results where we lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs.

    Gary

     

    The Bulwark isn’t helping anyone win anything. It’s the last stop for bitter losers one step from going full Boot/Nichols. Good for Peter for calling it out for what it is.

    Well thank you for calling me a bitter loser!

    In 1996, 1998 and 2000 we won the overall House vote by .4-1.3%. In 2018, we lost the over-all House vote by 9%, our worst showing since the 1974 Watergate elections! We lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs. If we keep Trump, and we can lose a half-dozen Senators, Governors, Representatives and hundreds of legislators.

    So we should have supported Hillary in 2016 so the R’s would eventually do better in the “total House vote”?  

    You do understand that the “total House vote” is about as significant as the total runs scored in the World Series?

    Admittedly, the historical pattern is that the President’s party loses seats in the House in the midterms, so the R’s would have gained seats if Hillary had been elected.

    • #56
  27. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Their was Conservatism before Trump’s toxic populism

    As I have explained over and over, I completely disagree with this. I’ve posted plenty of evidence.

    • #57
  28. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Here is my advice for anyone that wants to gauge the state of conservatism.

    Watch the recent interviews of  Jeffrey Gundlach on Yahoo finance. There are two of them. Better yet get a real vision pass and watch both of his interviews there as well.

    Watch the Jeff Diest speech from Seattle called ‘the greatest myth.’

    Watch anything by Rep. Massie of Kentucky.

    Watch the interview of representative ken Buck of California on full measure news.

    Get a real vision pass and watch long interview of David Stockman.

    Then throw in the media and all the social problems.

    Could we finish a war for once?

    It’s very understandable that Trump is where he is.

    For what it’s worth, I’m in Phoenix right now and Seth Leibsohn on the local Salem channel is absolutely excellent on this stuff.

    • #58
  29. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Here is my advice for anyone that wants to gauge the state of conservatism.

    Watch the recent interviews of Jeffrey Gundlach on Yahoo finance. There are two of them. Better yet get a real vision pass and watch both of his interviews there as well.

    Watch the Jeff Diest speech from Seattle called ‘the greatest myth.’

    Watch anything by Rep. Massie of Kentucky.

    Watch the interview of representative ken Buck of California on full measure news.

    Get a real vision pass and watch long interview of David Stockman.

    Then throw in the media and all the social problems.

    Could we finish a war for once?

    It’s very understandable that Trump is where he is.

    For what it’s worth, I’m in Phoenix right now and Seth Leibsohn on the local Salem channel is absolutely excellent on this stuff.

    Great weather we’re having!

    • #59
  30. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Here is my advice for anyone that wants to gauge the state of conservatism.

    Watch the recent interviews of Jeffrey Gundlach on Yahoo finance. There are two of them. Better yet get a real vision pass and watch both of his interviews there as well.

    Watch the Jeff Diest speech from Seattle called ‘the greatest myth.’

    Watch anything by Rep. Massie of Kentucky.

    Watch the interview of representative ken Buck of California on full measure news.

    Get a real vision pass and watch long interview of David Stockman.

    Then throw in the media and all the social problems.

    Could we finish a war for once?

    It’s very understandable that Trump is where he is.

    For what it’s worth, I’m in Phoenix right now and Seth Leibsohn on the local Salem channel is absolutely excellent on this stuff.

    Great weather we’re having!

    Yes it is after weeks of being in the 15th percentile. 

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