At a moment where punditry can feel relatively grim – mostly due to the feeling of instability resulting from this endless election – Jonah wanted to have on someone who was capable of a different variety of punditry. Who fits the bill better for a political commentary of “pluckish optimism” than National Review’s Jim Geraghty, who displayed his infinite humility by choosing not to wear his brand new “Remnant 10-Timer” Championship Belt on the Zoom call? Jim gives his analysis regarding many of the questions that will remain for conservatives after the election is decided: Whither goes the GOP? (A “multi-ethnic, working class, populist party?) What is the correct story to tell about Latino voters and Trump? (And why is the mainstream media adopting the most racist interpretation of this situation rather than the most accurate?) And, most importantly, is Mar-a-Lago Trump’s Elba, or his St. Helena?

Show Notes:

Jim’s page at National Review

Josh Hawley’s retweet of Adrian Vermeule

“Two moon parties”

Chris Arnade’s Dignity: Seeking Respect in Back Row America

William Rusher, who often said that politicians will always disappoint you

Wednesday’s “news”letter

McConnell and Biden are, like, basically friends, guys

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  1. rdowhower Inactive
    rdowhower
    @rdowhower

    In which Jonah cries over the fact that it was once again proven that no one listens to what he has to say anymore and longs for the days when people found his juvenile gutter humor funny and cared about his dogs. I really wish I were as virtuous as he and David French.

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  2. Jon1979 Lincoln
    Jon1979
    @Jon1979

    Trump’s vote in general ran behind other Republicans on the ballot in traditionally Republican white suburban areas, but he ran ahead of other Republicans on the ballot in Latino and Black areas. That’s something the Trump-adverse people in the GOP are going to have to come to grips with, because simply rolling back the party to pre-June 2015 would mean picking the side of white Trump-hostile suburbanites and their concerns, vs. minority voters who showed a willingness to move away from the Democratic Party based on what Trump was offering.

    After years of people saying Republicans needed to broaden their base among minority voters as the U.S. becomes less and less white, trying to wind things back to the more sedate McCain-Romney era would basically just be playing into the hands of the Democrats, who are stunned that so many Black and Latino voters rejected their identity politics playbook on Tuesday, even if Trump ends up losing (and even there, the question would be was it Trump’s policies/results that mainly pulled them in, or his combative persona? The former can be replicable in other politicians; the latter can’t because Trump had 38 years in the pubic spotlight to define his personality before he ran for president).

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  3. Miffed White Male Member
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    Trump’s vote in general ran behind other Republicans on the ballot in traditionally Republican white suburban areas, but he ran ahead of other Republicans on the ballot in Latino and Black areas.

    White supremacists elected Joe Biden over Trump.

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  4. Jon1979 Lincoln
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    @Jon1979

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    Trump’s vote in general ran behind other Republicans on the ballot in traditionally Republican white suburban areas, but he ran ahead of other Republicans on the ballot in Latino and Black areas.

    White supremacists elected Joe Biden over Trump.

    One of the mantras of the #NeverTrump people for the past 3 1/2 years has been buying into the left’s Charlottesville narrative, in order to claim their opposition to Trump was based in part on his racism. But the election results show both Black and Latino voters in large numbers did not buy into that, which is why Trump picked up the highest percentage of minority voters since Nixon in ’60, prior to the Civil Rights legislation in ’64 (passed by LBJ with the help of Republicans in Congress, since the Dixiecrats opposed it).

    So that’s the quandary for the #NeverTrump people. They may want to say they want the GOP rolled back to pre-Trump era in the name of racial justice, but the vote totals for Trump vs. other establishment Republicans in other statewide and congressional races on Tuesday showed Trump ran ahead of those candidates in minority votes, but lost votes in the white suburban areas around urban centers.

    So if your desire is to recreate the Republican Party circa 2012, you’re telling those Black and Latino voters who went with Trump if that’s the type of candidate you like, you really don’t want them in the party, when it comes to a choice between them and Karen living outside the interstate loop. And if you do that, don’t be shocked when the left starts tossing Charlottesville-like allegations in your direction.

     

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Coolidge
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    One of the mantras of the #NeverTrump people for the past 3 1/2 years has been buying into the left’s Charlottesville narrative, in order to claim their opposition to Trump was based in part on his racism. But the election results show both Black and Latino voters in large numbers did not buy into that, which is why Trump picked up the highest percentage of minority voters since Nixon in ’60, prior to the Civil Rights legislation in ’64 (passed by LBJ with the help of Republicans in Congress, since the Dixiecrats opposed it).

    So that’s the quandary for the #NeverTrump people. They may want to say they want the GOP rolled back to pre-Trump era in the name of racial justice, but the vote totals for Trump vs. other establishment Republicans in other statewide and congressional races on Tuesday showed Trump ran ahead of those candidates in minority votes, but lost votes in the white suburban areas around urban centers.

    So if your desire is to recreate the Republican Party circa 2012, you’re telling those Black and Latino voters who went with Trump if that’s the type of candidate you like, you really don’t want them in the party, when it comes to a choice between them and Karen living outside the interstate loop. And if you do that, don’t be shocked when the left starts tossing Charlottesville-like allegations in your direction.

    A really big tent . . . if you can keep it.

    And I fully expect Republicans to flush this all down the toilet. Do we really think that, absent Trump, the party can hang on to these minority votes? I don’t. I don’t think they have the will or the ability.

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  6. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    @OccupantCDN

    Trump gets away with being Trump, because thats genuinely who he is. Anyone else who imitates him, looks disingenuous and just plain ugly. This why Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and everyone else, blow up their own campaigns when they attempted to attack Trump on his own level back in the primaries.

    Biden will not be a return to normalcy, challenge him on any minor point, and he becomes just as belligerent as Donald Trump. Except Biden is far more likely to be personal viscous and ugly about it.

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  7. Jon1979 Lincoln
    Jon1979
    @Jon1979

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    One of the mantras of the #NeverTrump people for the past 3 1/2 years has been buying into the left’s Charlottesville narrative, in order to claim their opposition to Trump was based in part on his racism. But the election results show both Black and Latino voters in large numbers did not buy into that, which is why Trump picked up the highest percentage of minority voters since Nixon in ’60, prior to the Civil Rights legislation in ’64 (passed by LBJ with the help of Republicans in Congress, since the Dixiecrats opposed it).

    So that’s the quandary for the #NeverTrump people. They may want to say they want the GOP rolled back to pre-Trump era in the name of racial justice, but the vote totals for Trump vs. other establishment Republicans in other statewide and congressional races on Tuesday showed Trump ran ahead of those candidates in minority votes, but lost votes in the white suburban areas around urban centers.

    So if your desire is to recreate the Republican Party circa 2012, you’re telling those Black and Latino voters who went with Trump if that’s the type of candidate you like, you really don’t want them in the party, when it comes to a choice between them and Karen living outside the interstate loop. And if you do that, don’t be shocked when the left starts tossing Charlottesville-like allegations in your direction.

    A really big tent . . . if you can keep it.

    And I fully expect Republicans to flush this all down the toilet. Do we really think that, absent Trump, the party can hang on to these minority votes? I don’t. I don’t think they have the will or the ability.

    I suppose the one thing here is Trump’s not going away, unless the Biden Justice Department tries to make him go away. So he could be a factor in the 2024 election as a candidate, and there are just a ton of unknown X-factors there.

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  8. Jon1979 Lincoln
    Jon1979
    @Jon1979

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Trump gets away with being Trump, because thats genuinely who he is. Anyone else who imitates him, looks disingenuous and just plain ugly. This why Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and everyone else, blow up their own campaigns when they attempted to attack Trump on his own level back in the primaries.

    Biden will not be a return to normalcy, challenge him on any minor point, and he becomes just as belligerent as Donald Trump. Except Biden is far more likely to be personal viscous and ugly about it.

    Any candidate trying to introduce themselves to the voting public outside of their own state as mini-Trump will crash and burn, if for no other reason than the public had 38 years to get to know Donald Trump before he ran for president, while new guy or gal would be trying to introduce themselves to the world as a Trump clone temprament-wise, without any other back story. The media would have a field day with that.

    But as long as Trump remains a potential 2024 candidate, those people are pretty much sidelined. If your game-plan is to be Trump’s successor in terms of gaining the support of his base, you can’t be seen as Trump’s potential usurper, until he says he’s not running in 2024 (and even then, he could say Don Jr. or Ivanka would make a great replacement, and you’re still screwed with a lot of Trump’s base)

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  9. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    @GlennAmurgis

    Jonah Glosses over things Trump done that most would not do

    Stuck behind Kavanaugh – All GOP would have caved – do you think W would have, he didn’t stick with Myers who was a friend. Romney would have caved as well

    Move the Embassy in Israel and the Middle East peace – Again, W promised this and did not do it. Jonah gives no credit here

    On Trade, I agree, Trump has a poor for on trade. On China, he is correct. Does it make sense to make are number one competitor a major part of the supply Chain. Most of the free traders through opening up China would make them more like the west, but we see Big Tech, Hollywood, the NBA and others cave to the CCP

    Finally, the Hunter Biden thing does not seem to bother the DC pundits – I do not know why. 

     

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Coolidge
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Jonah Glosses over things Trump done that most would not do

    Stuck behind Kavanaugh – All GOP would have caved – do you think W would have, he didn’t stick with Myers who was a friend. Romney would have caved as well

    Move the Embassy in Israel and the Middle East peace – Again, W promised this and did not do it. Jonah gives no credit here

    On Trade, I agree, Trump has a poor for on trade. On China, he is correct. Does it make sense to make are number one competitor a major part of the supply Chain. Most of the free traders through opening up China would make them more like the west, but we see Big Tech, Hollywood, the NBA and others cave to the CCP

    Finally, the Hunter Biden thing does not seem to bother the DC pundits – I do not know why.

    Because they are far removed from the real world. They [redacted] all over the working class and they think cleverly-structured sentences with sick burns amounts to “conserving conservatism.” They have no actual skills aside from typing furiously all day. They are, in a sense, well-trained secretaries for the establishment class that holds the citizen class in contempt. I would sooner be ruled by the people who work a factory line than these cossetted savages.

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  11. Joe D. Lincoln
    Joe D.
    @JosephDornisch

    Man you guys are optimistic on an economic boon – I’ve been reading the only reason there haven’t been more foreclosures and evictions is because there have been prohibitions, most of these are or will be going away soon. We can’t just expect landlords to eat a years worth of rent or mortgage payments.

    … and this ignores the deficit, it seems to me that at some point we will experience massive inflation – and not just asset bubble inflation to deal with the debt.

    It also sounds like we are off our rockers when it comes to electricity generation – it seems like we are all becoming a lot more like California and limiting what utilities can do – and we will have a lot more brown outs all over the country. Not to worry, though, we can blame it on global warming…

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  12. Quintus Sertorius Coolidge
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    @BillGollier

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    One of the mantras of the #NeverTrump people for the past 3 1/2 years has been buying into the left’s Charlottesville narrative, in order to claim their opposition to Trump was based in part on his racism. But the election results show both Black and Latino voters in large numbers did not buy into that, which is why Trump picked up the highest percentage of minority voters since Nixon in ’60, prior to the Civil Rights legislation in ’64 (passed by LBJ with the help of Republicans in Congress, since the Dixiecrats opposed it).

    So that’s the quandary for the #NeverTrump people. They may want to say they want the GOP rolled back to pre-Trump era in the name of racial justice, but the vote totals for Trump vs. other establishment Republicans in other statewide and congressional races on Tuesday showed Trump ran ahead of those candidates in minority votes, but lost votes in the white suburban areas around urban centers.

    So if your desire is to recreate the Republican Party circa 2012, you’re telling those Black and Latino voters who went with Trump if that’s the type of candidate you like, you really don’t want them in the party, when it comes to a choice between them and Karen living outside the interstate loop. And if you do that, don’t be shocked when the left starts tossing Charlottesville-like allegations in your direction.

    A really big tent . . . if you can keep it.

    And I fully expect Republicans to flush this all down the toilet. Do we really think that, absent Trump, the party can hang on to these minority votes? I don’t. I don’t think they have the will or the ability.

    I sure hope you are wrong….this is a real chance for the Republican Party….hand the reins to Tim Scott and let’s go. Tim Scott vs Kamla Harris….Tim Scott would have a landslide like Reagan in 1980 and 1984…..

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  13. TerryS Member
    TerryS
    @TerryS

    I think that it is indisputable that Jonah has an irrational hatred of Trump.

    My evidence is that on multiple occasions, Jonah has rationalized the “good” things Trump has done by blaming them on some bad aspect of Trump.

    For example, Jonah has said that Trump is not an authoritarian only because he is too lazy to be an authoritarian.

    This is junior high level analysis. It is literally childish. Such are the wages of TDS.

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  14. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    @OccupantCDN

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Trump gets away with being Trump, because thats genuinely who he is. Anyone else who imitates him, looks disingenuous and just plain ugly. This why Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and everyone else, blow up their own campaigns when they attempted to attack Trump on his own level back in the primaries.

    Biden will not be a return to normalcy, challenge him on any minor point, and he becomes just as belligerent as Donald Trump. Except Biden is far more likely to be personal viscous and ugly about it.

    Any candidate trying to introduce themselves to the voting public outside of their own state as mini-Trump will crash and burn, if for no other reason than the public had 38 years to get to know Donald Trump before he ran for president, while new guy or gal would be trying to introduce themselves to the world as a Trump clone temprament-wise, without any other back story. The media would have a field day with that.

    But as long as Trump remains a potential 2024 candidate, those people are pretty much sidelined. If your game-plan is to be Trump’s successor in terms of gaining the support of his base, you can’t be seen as Trump’s potential usurper, until he says he’s not running in 2024 (and even then, he could say Don Jr. or Ivanka would make a great replacement, and you’re still screwed with a lot of Trump’s base)

    Yes, you make a great point. I dont think that Trump will run in 2024. He’ll be 78, in 2024, a goodly age to leave the white house – a little rough to try to enter. I dont think the MAGA crowd necessarily needs to have someone as bellicose as Donald Trump – I think someone like Dan Crenshaw would do quite well. I dont think being a family member of a former president should make someone a candidate. Also Mike Pence, he’ll only be 65 in 2024 – downright youthful in comparison to most democrats.

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  15. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge
    Jeff Hawkins
    @JeffHawkins

    You could say repudiation of Trump and the AOC+3 policies.

    The problem is that the AOC+3 types just know the first part.

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