Ben Howe, author of The Immoral Majority: Why Evangelicals Chose Political Power Over Christian Values (and himself an Evangelical Christian), joins the Remnant to discuss his book, the Evangelical reaction to Trump, the past, present, and future of conservatism, and more.

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Ben Howe

-And on Twitter, @BenHowe

The Immoral Majority – Ben Howe

-Lance Wallnau on Trump as an Isaiah 45 candidate 

Obama on his own bull****

-Greenland should be ours

Creed Thoughts

-“Why people hate religion” – NYT

Five Thirty Eight on young evangelicals 

-The Kristen Soltis Anderson episodes (here and here)

The Tim Alberta episode

Sheri Berman on identity 

Ron Brownstein on Trump as a wartime president

The Charles Cooke episode

Jack’s review of Yesterday 

David French is wrong

Reagan35X.com 

“Second Thoughts on James Burnham” – George Orwell 

-The outro music

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    And if he doesn’t I think we’ll know at least some of the people responsible…

    You mean, like Trump?

    Exactly and hey don’t blame me. I voted for Rubio.

    Not in November 2016, you didn’t.

    And I probably won’t vote at all in November 2020 given the choices.

    So, voting against the greater of two evils is just too much for you?  Gee, thanks.

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  2. Kim K. Inactive
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    Listening to this podcast interested me enough to buy and read Howe’s book. The book does a much better job of explaining his argument. During the podcast I found myself wanting to scream I’M NOT THAT KIND OF EVANGELICAL!!

    I still had that urge during the reading of the book, but his argument is much more thoroughly explained, with citations, scripture references, etc.  By the end, I realized the problem is really much bigger than Trump and that the urge to be “that kind of evangelical” is very real.

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  3. ericB Lincoln
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    A recently released related revelation:

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—At a Trump campaign fundraising supper Thursday night, the mood was somber. Trump had just informed everybody that he would soon be impeached but would be reinstated three days later.

    He also dropped a bombshell on the evangelical leaders gathered to raise money for his campaign: that one of them would soon betray him.

    “I know most of you are loyal,” Trump said as the guests reclined after their meal. “Very loyal. You guys are the best. But one of you is going to betray me—believe me. Not good!”

    Excerpt from
    Evangelical Leaders Ask Trump Which One Of Them Will Betray Him During Impeachment Proceedings
    September 27th, 2019
    The Babylon Bee

    :D

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  4. ericB Lincoln
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    Kim K. (View Comment):
    During the podcast I found myself wanting to scream I’M NOT THAT KIND OF EVANGELICAL!!

    Of course, you’re not.  Even if some few are tempted to be “that kind of evangelical”, most evangelicals are not “that kind of evangelical”.

    In the primaries while people had at least some real alternatives, evangelical voting for Trump was inversely correlated with church attendance.  Those “evangelicals” (at least by their own identification) who were most likely to vote for Trump were those who were the least involved in church.  Those most involved in church were the least likely to vote for Trump.  In the general election, those who voted for Trump predominantly were resorting to what Jonah frequently refers to as the transactional case.  With Hillary as effectively the only real alternative, most serious evangelicals considered the prospect of Hillary a worse outcome than Trump.

    Even for those who chose not to vote for either one, it’s not really hard at all to see why most evangelicals who did vote for Trump found him to be the least undesirable choice of the two who could win.

    It’s worth remembering that every time any evangelical votes for any candidate, they are always voting for someone who has fallen short of God’s standard (as we all have).  Any choice to vote at all is always a choice between fallen people in light of assessing the impact they might have for good or ill.

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