New York Times Op-Ed columnist David Brooks stops by The Remnant to discuss tribalism v. community, nationalism, whether the word conservative is salvageable, and the story of the “Kosher Killer.”

Show Notes:

The Second Mountain

Michael Lind essay

Goldberg: Americans are more partisan than ever

Brooks: The Two Moons

George Will v. Josh Hawley part one

George Will v. Josh Hawley part two

Capitalism v. socialism debate with Arthur Brooks

Marco Rubio’s common-good capitalism

Michael Oakeshott’s Rationalism in Politics

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There are 16 comments.

  1. Petty Boozswha Member

    I pity the poor sound engineer that tried to keep this podcast going. Between Brooks’ mumbling and Jonah’s bellowing it was real work to listen all the way through.

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    • January 17, 2020, at 4:20 PM PST
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  2. kedavis Member

    Overall the whole thing should have been recorded at a much higher audio level. At least +3dB. Maybe 5 or 6. I’m going to run it through Nero Sound Editor to have a more listenable copy.

    Edit: I actually did +6, could have gone higher but some peaks would have been clipped.

    And there’s really no reason for this podcast to be “stereo” either. It just makes the file twice as big.

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    • January 17, 2020, at 6:21 PM PST
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  3. Cow Girl Thatcher

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    Between Brooks’ mumbling…

    It’s really weird—he drops his voice as he says the most important part of his sentence! I kept rewinding trying to figure out what he said!

     

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    • January 17, 2020, at 6:46 PM PST
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  4. kedavis Member

    It doesn’t seem like such a difficult job, if they’re not sharing a single mic:

    Turn Jonah Down.

    Turn Guest Up.

    Anyway, my volume-increased and number-corrected version is here, if anyone wants it:

    https://www.adrive.com/public/pxKY6e/Episode%20166%20The%20Ballad%20of%20the%20Kosher%20Killer.mp3

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    • January 17, 2020, at 7:04 PM PST
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  5. kedavis Member

    Does Jonah still think Trump got us into WW III with Iran? Even after their nothing-burger “retaliation?” He may be farther gone than I had even thought.

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    • January 17, 2020, at 7:10 PM PST
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  6. kedavis Member

    Is David Brooks saying that the “Trump GOP” is more white than before, when we can see that Trump has higher approval among blacks especially, than any Republican may have had EVER?

    Considering the black share of the US population, the Democrat party is by definition “mostly white” too, even when they got 90+% of the black vote.

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    • January 17, 2020, at 7:19 PM PST
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  7. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Does Jonah still think Trump got us into WW III with Iran? Even after their nothing-burger “retaliation?” He may be farther gone than I had even thought.

    I don’t know how you could think that. Jonah agrees with Trump’s action and was dismissive of the WWIII scenario.

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    • January 17, 2020, at 9:13 PM PST
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  8. kedavis Member

    I’m not sure where Jonah gets the idea that people can only hate at a distance. Don’t music fan groups, for example – who rarely if ever meet in person and may exist across the world, not just across the country – prove otherwise? For that matter, Jonah’s theory would seem to mean that people can only hate Trump from a distance, not support/love him as many seem to do.

    Maybe it’s EASIER to hate from a distance? But if that’s the case, then support for Trump should be taken as more rare and perhaps hence more admirable as a result.

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    • January 17, 2020, at 10:44 PM PST
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  9. kedavis Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Does Jonah still think Trump got us into WW III with Iran? Even after their nothing-burger “retaliation?” He may be farther gone than I had even thought.

    I don’t know how you could think that. Jonah agrees with Trump’s action and was dismissive of the WWIII scenario.

    I listened again, and didn’t find what I was referring to. So maybe it was something Jonah said on this week’s GLoP, and I commented on the wrong show page; so I’m listening to that again now.

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    • January 17, 2020, at 11:32 PM PST
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  10. WilliamDean Coolidge

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I’m not sure where Jonah gets the idea that people can only hate at a distance. Don’t music fan groups, for example – who rarely if ever meet in person and may exist across the world, not just across the country – prove otherwise? For that matter, Jonah’s theory would seem to mean that people can only hate Trump from a distance, not support/love him as many seem to do.

    Maybe it’s EASIER to hate from a distance? But if that’s the case, then support for Trump should be taken as more rare and perhaps hence more admirable as a result.

    He didn’t say that people can only hate at a distance. He said it’s easier to hate people at a distance than love them at a distance.

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    • January 18, 2020, at 1:15 AM PST
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  11. kedavis Member

    WilliamDean (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I’m not sure where Jonah gets the idea that people can only hate at a distance. Don’t music fan groups, for example – who rarely if ever meet in person and may exist across the world, not just across the country – prove otherwise? For that matter, Jonah’s theory would seem to mean that people can only hate Trump from a distance, not support/love him as many seem to do.

    Maybe it’s EASIER to hate from a distance? But if that’s the case, then support for Trump should be taken as more rare and perhaps hence more admirable as a result.

    He didn’t say that people can only hate at a distance. He said it’s easier to hate people at a distance than love them at a distance.

    That was the other possibility I gave.

    But he did also say:

    The only way you can bond with somebody 2,000 miles away is finding a common hate.

    At any rate, that might suggest that Jonah should have more respect for people who love Trump from a distance?

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    • January 18, 2020, at 2:30 AM PST
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  12. kedavis Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Does Jonah still think Trump got us into WW III with Iran? Even after their nothing-burger “retaliation?” He may be farther gone than I had even thought.

    I don’t know how you could think that. Jonah agrees with Trump’s action and was dismissive of the WWIII scenario.

    Okay I found it. I guess you could say that Jonah was actually ascribing the position to others, but it sounds like it could be at least close to his own too.

    It starts at about the 16:20 point of the podcast.

    If Jonah himself believes that Trump did a good thing and that killing Soleimani was not going to lead to war, what he says at that point is at least… inelegant?

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    • January 18, 2020, at 4:34 AM PST
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  13. Charlotte Member
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    Seconded (thirded? fourthed?) on the audio issue. I had my phone and car speakers turned up to 11 and could barely hear Brooks at all. I could only hear Jonah when he was being emphatic. I am reluctant to whine about something I am basically getting for free (or $2.50 a month, or whatever…I could get it for free), but come on, guys. Did anyone listen to this before it was posted? It’s too bad because this was a pretty interesting conversation.

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    • January 24, 2020, at 8:44 AM PST
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  14. kedavis Member

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Seconded (thirded? fourthed?) on the audio issue. I had my phone and car speakers turned up to 11 and could barely hear Brooks at all. I could only hear Jonah when he was being emphatic. I am reluctant to whine about something I am basically getting for free (or $2.50 a month, or whatever…I could get it for free), but come on, guys. Did anyone listen to this before it was posted? It’s too bad because this was a pretty interesting conversation.

    Did you try my increased-volume version, posted in comment 4?

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    • January 24, 2020, at 3:54 PM PST
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  15. Charlotte Member
    Charlotte Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    kedavis (View Comment)

    Did you try my increased-volume version, posted in comment 4?

    Sorry @kedavis, I didn’t see the comments until after I listened. Thanks for doing that, though.

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    • January 24, 2020, at 6:22 PM PST
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  16. kedavis Member

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment)

    Did you try my increased-volume version, posted in comment 4?

    Sorry @kedavis, I didn’t see the comments until after I listened. Thanks for doing that, though.

    If you save these like I do, you should save the increased-volume version, not the original.

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    • January 25, 2020, at 12:38 AM PST
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