Delicate ears beware – Lachlan Markay and Asawin Suebsaeng got explicit with us to talk about the inner workings of the Trump administration staff, which is the topic of their new book called Sinking in the Swamp. How much favor do Trump-positive talking heads really get from the White House? Are Trump’s numerous ex-staffers now effectively lobbyists? And can we pronounce Asawin’s name correctly?

Show Notes:

Buy Sinking in the Swamp!

Tito Puente

Bannon’s use of the “Island of Misfit Toys” phrase

Stephen Miller’s strange history

The “Singularity of Asininity”

James Adomian’s Gorka impression

Lachlan’s article on Gorka’s park-job

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  1. kedavis Member

    Wow, so much successful prediction of the past. Who woulda thunk/?

    I hope someone steps up to debunk a lot of this podcast. To me it feels like a waste of my time.

    Just one point to get started. Our dear pundits were unsurprised that previously-Trump-skeptical Republicans are now strong supporters, just because “that’s what Republicans do.” But much of the skepticism/criticism, at least from actual thinking people not just those like Jonah, was because of a fear that Trump was not – and would not govern as – seriously conservative.

    Having seen 3 years now of Trump actually being conservative, they have become supportive and sometimes/often even enthusiastic about his re-election. Are we supposed to believe that’s just because “that’s what Republicans do?” Are we supposed to believe those same people would have become supporters anyway, even if their fears had been realized? 

    B.S.

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    • February 25, 2020, at 6:30 PM PST
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  2. Bishop Wash Member

    Who are these two yabbos? A lot of anger. Trump must be goring their ox.

    On draining the swamp, hasn’t one or two departments announced movement of parts of their offices to places outside DC? That’s a start.

    • #2
    • February 26, 2020, at 5:57 AM PST
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  3. Penfold Member

    I get it. Trump sucks. But “they” suck worse. Yes, this is too simplistic. But us hoi polloi, (you know folks who have jobs, families and lives outside Washington), just don’t see a viable alternative. And now it seems like it’s going to be another “Flight 93” election where our choice is the clown we know, a socialist or just stay home and hope for the best.

    • #3
    • February 26, 2020, at 7:14 AM PST
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  4. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Wow, so much successful prediction of the past. Who woulda thunk/?

    I hope someone steps up to debunk a lot of this podcast. To me it feels like a waste of my time.

    Just one point to get started. Our dear pundits were unsurprised that previously-Trump-skeptical Republicans are now strong supporters, just because “that’s what Republicans do.” But much of the skepticism/criticism, at least from actual thinking people not just those like Jonah, was because of a fear that Trump was not – and would not govern as – seriously conservative.

    Having seen 3 years now of Trump actually being conservative, they have become supportive and sometimes/often even enthusiastic about his re-election. Are we supposed to believe that’s just because “that’s what Republicans do?” Are we supposed to believe those same people would have become supporters anyway, even if their fears had been realized?

    B.S.

    Jonah did warn you to skip the episode.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 8:18 AM PST
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  5. WilliamDean Coolidge

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Wow, so much successful prediction of the past. Who woulda thunk/?

    I hope someone steps up to debunk a lot of this podcast. To me it feels like a waste of my time.

    Just one point to get started. Our dear pundits were unsurprised that previously-Trump-skeptical Republicans are now strong supporters, just because “that’s what Republicans do.” But much of the skepticism/criticism, at least from actual thinking people not just those like Jonah, was because of a fear that Trump was not – and would not govern as – seriously conservative.

    Having seen 3 years now of Trump actually being conservative, they have become supportive and sometimes/often even enthusiastic about his re-election. Are we supposed to believe that’s just because “that’s what Republicans do?” Are we supposed to believe those same people would have become supporters anyway, even if their fears had been realized?

    B.S.

    Jonah did warn you to skip the episode.

    Are you kidding? This is what they live for. 

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    • February 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM PST
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  6. Joe D. Lincoln

    Skip it… I listen to these largely to listen to anti-Trump views that I often disagree with – and that do not sound totally bat droppings (apparently, Jonah can say this every podcast even where he doesnt warn us, but I can’t type the evil word) crazy that I would get from say CNN or MSNBC (which I can’t watch for more than say 2 minutes).

    I am really looking to understand why I should be so ticked off about Trump administration more than some other administration when I seem to approve of what he has done more – no new wars (seems way less pro getting into wars than other semi-recent Republican administrations), tougher on trading partners (I know freetraders hate this, but I approve of trying to get better deals), withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement (something that I do not think other Republican administrations would have been so quick to do).

    Sure his antics are over the top, but so are the incoming attacks. Even if he’s not doing it well, at least he’s returning fire.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 9:32 AM PST
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  7. Leslie Watkins Member
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    I did not listen, but these days, when it comes to Jonah, I can’t get away from his Tweet to Bridget Phetasy: “Nuance does not sell.” Indeed. “That’s what Republicans do” is certainly not nuance; it’s an arrogant trope, his “reader beware” be damned.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 10:13 AM PST
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  8. Jdetente Member

    WilliamDean (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Wow, so much successful prediction of the past. Who woulda thunk/?

    I hope someone steps up to debunk a lot of this podcast. To me it feels like a waste of my time.

    Just one point to get started. Our dear pundits were unsurprised that previously-Trump-skeptical Republicans are now strong supporters, just because “that’s what Republicans do.” But much of the skepticism/criticism, at least from actual thinking people not just those like Jonah, was because of a fear that Trump was not – and would not govern as – seriously conservative.

    Having seen 3 years now of Trump actually being conservative, they have become supportive and sometimes/often even enthusiastic about his re-election. Are we supposed to believe that’s just because “that’s what Republicans do?” Are we supposed to believe those same people would have become supporters anyway, even if their fears had been realized?

    B.S.

    Jonah did warn you to skip the episode.

    Are you kidding? This is what they live for.

    Good point from both of you. I used to hate listen to The Remnant but I am trying to go on a “Low Bad Diet” and cut out negative social media and podcast material. The Remnant has become that for me and Jonah doesn’t offer much in the form of rational opposing views, so I have cut him out of my listening diet. Now I just need to cut myself off from hate reading the comments section! hahaha

    In all seriousness, I used to listen because even though I found Jonah, to be completely off the mark, he would still occasionally provide a good insight. I don’t find that to be true anymore…

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    • February 26, 2020, at 10:13 AM PST
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  9. RS711 Listener

    This is my #1 podcast here. I am still a free trader so arguing against Trump’s protectionism is not a negative for me. I also think character counts and don’t think Trump has much character. I have had to turn off some of the pro-Trump Republicans out especially those like Laura Ingraham who love most about Trump what I love least so I get that some here don’t want to listen anymore. Great thing about not having a monolith media anymore is that we all get to choose (at least until Bernie gets all his Commie fantasies come true and cracks down on the new diversity.)

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    • February 26, 2020, at 10:32 AM PST
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  10. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    I think the rational never Trumpet should admit his surprise that things have worked out as well as they have.

    1) judges. 2) economy 3) wars. These are the 3 areas where the Trump administration has excelled beyond any expectation. Particularly considering so much of the Republican establishment disqualified themselves from serving in a Trump administration by their vitriolic campaigning against Trump – even during the general election.

    I can see someone being skeptical of Trump, he daily juggles hand grenades, I fully expected one of these grenades to explode and kill the campaign before the election. (and really any standard politician would have died every single day of typical Trump quotes) But I think he’s avoided the disasters that the fear mongers warned about in 2016.

     

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    • February 26, 2020, at 10:46 AM PST
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  11. Joe D. Lincoln

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    I think the rational never Trumpet should admit his surprise that things have worked out as well as they have.

    1) judges. 2) economy 3) wars. These are the 3 areas where the Trump administration has excelled beyond any expectation. Particularly considering so much of the Republican establishment disqualified themselves from serving in a Trump administration by their vitriolic campaigning against Trump – even during the general election.

    I can see someone being skeptical of Trump, he daily juggles hand grenades, I fully expected one of these grenades to explode and kill the campaign before the election. (and really any standard politician would have died every single day of typical Trump quotes) But I think he’s avoided the disasters that the fear mongers warned about in 2016.

     

    Of course, I think we kind of expected Trump to bring in more people from the business world or at least from the Trump Inc world to help him in the Presidency especially for trade deals.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 11:15 AM PST
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  12. Kim K. Member
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    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    I did not listen, but these days, when it comes to Jonah, I can’t get away from his Tweet to Bridget Phetasy: “Nuance does not sell.” Indeed. “That’s what Republicans do” is certainly not nuance; it’s an arrogant trope, his “reader beware” be damned.

    Also, I’d like to (rather pettily, probably) ask that the phrase “drink the Kool-Aid” be retired permanently. It’s a great shorthand for a type of person, but its use betrays a lack of sensitivity and displays historical illiteracy.

     

    • #12
    • February 26, 2020, at 11:46 AM PST
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  13. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Joe D. (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    I think the rational never Trumpet should admit his surprise that things have worked out as well as they have.

    1) judges. 2) economy 3) wars. These are the 3 areas where the Trump administration has excelled beyond any expectation. Particularly considering so much of the Republican establishment disqualified themselves from serving in a Trump administration by their vitriolic campaigning against Trump – even during the general election.

    I can see someone being skeptical of Trump, he daily juggles hand grenades, I fully expected one of these grenades to explode and kill the campaign before the election. (and really any standard politician would have died every single day of typical Trump quotes) But I think he’s avoided the disasters that the fear mongers warned about in 2016.

     

    Of course, I think we kind of expected Trump to bring in more people from the business world or at least from the Trump Inc world to help him in the Presidency especially for trade deals.

    The “resistance” torpedoed that idea by threatening to blackball anyone who went to work for Trump.

     

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    • February 26, 2020, at 12:21 PM PST
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  14. Miffed White Male Member
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    Kim K. (View Comment):
    Also, I’d like to (rather pettily, probably) ask that the phrase “drink the Kool-Aid” be retired permanently. It’s a great shorthand for a type of person, but its use betrays a lack of sensitivity and displays historical illiteracy.

    True. They didn’t actually use kool-aid at Jonestown. They used something called Flavor-aid.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 12:24 PM PST
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  15. Kim K. Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kim K. (View Comment):
    Also, I’d like to (rather pettily, probably) ask that the phrase “drink the Kool-Aid” be retired permanently. It’s a great shorthand for a type of person, but its use betrays a lack of sensitivity and displays historical illiteracy.

    True. They didn’t actually use kool-aid at Jonestown. They used something called Flavor-aid.

    Yeah. But if he constantly called people he thinks blindly and stupidly agree with Trump those who “drink the Flavor-aid” my feelings would be the same.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 12:46 PM PST
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  16. Joe D. Lincoln

    So the real complaint is that the Trump administration is corrupt. Is it more or less than corrupt than the Obama administration or than the Hillary Clinton administration would have been? I will certainly concur that it is way more corrupt than either Bush administration.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 1:01 PM PST
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  17. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    I have to say that I think the Bulwark and Dispatch types don’t realize most of us transactional Trump people are more than content with having a non-Democrat in there versus waiting 4 years for someone more principled, don’t think Trump is “hurting the brand” and are more than pleasantly surprised with the economy and the judges.

    “well aren’t you upset about the twitter?” Probably why I don’t follow him.

    I’d love for his administration to take it to the Obama cronies who felt it their right to use the leviathan to go after political opposition (he says as someone audited the two years he gave to Tea Party causes….which I’m sure is mere coincidence). 

    But overall, I’m not completely pleased, like an appliance I bought the wrong model of, I’m finding it surprisingly useful.

    • #17
    • February 26, 2020, at 1:50 PM PST
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  18. kedavis Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Wow, so much successful prediction of the past. Who woulda thunk/?

    I hope someone steps up to debunk a lot of this podcast. To me it feels like a waste of my time.

    Just one point to get started. Our dear pundits were unsurprised that previously-Trump-skeptical Republicans are now strong supporters, just because “that’s what Republicans do.” But much of the skepticism/criticism, at least from actual thinking people not just those like Jonah, was because of a fear that Trump was not – and would not govern as – seriously conservative.

    Having seen 3 years now of Trump actually being conservative, they have become supportive and sometimes/often even enthusiastic about his re-election. Are we supposed to believe that’s just because “that’s what Republicans do?” Are we supposed to believe those same people would have become supporters anyway, even if their fears had been realized?

    B.S.

    Jonah did warn you to skip the episode.

    So their claptrap could go unchallenged? I’m sure he would prefer that. Tough.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 3:02 PM PST
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  19. kedavis Member

    Joe D. (View Comment):

    So the real complaint is that the Trump administration is corrupt. Is it more or less than corrupt than the Obama administration or than the Hillary Clinton administration would have been? I will certainly concur that it is way more corrupt than either Bush administration.

    The Bush administrations may have been less internally “corrupt” but they also did nothing to oppose, and may have actually encouraged at least benignly, the corruption of the (for lack of a better term) “deep state.” I’m not convinced that’s a good trade-off.

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    • February 26, 2020, at 3:08 PM PST
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  20. Charlotte Member
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    I find Jonah’s preoccupation with Seb Gorka rather peculiar. Is Seb Gorka a person that anyone cares about or pays attention to? I would be shocked if more than .01% of Americans had ever heard of him. (The only reason I’ve heard of him is because of Jonah!) Am I missing something? Are there legions of Gorkistas who are influencing American politics below the radar?

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    • February 26, 2020, at 4:41 PM PST
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  21. kedavis Member

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Are there legions of Gorkistas who are influencing American politics below the radar?

    Another “Deep State?” Oh, noes!

    More people who hear the name, probably think it’s the Klingon chancellor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ewfyyE6DI

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    • February 26, 2020, at 7:48 PM PST
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  22. Architectus Coolidge

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I find Jonah’s preoccupation with Seb Gorka rather peculiar. Is Seb Gorka a person that anyone cares about or pays attention to? I would be shocked if more than .01% of Americans had ever heard of him. (The only reason I’ve heard of him is because of Jonah!) Am I missing something? Are there legions of Gorkistas who are influencing American politics below the radar?

    Sebastian Gorka is simply Jonah’s model of an unapologetic supporter of President Trump. Since Jonah cannot conceive of how supporting Trump (in any way) does not need to come with continuous sack-cloth-and-ashes apologies for his character, he must be ridiculed. The truth is that Mr. Gorka is a jovial, happy warrior that always sees the actions of Trump in the best light, and is not often wrong to do so. Give him a listen and judge for yourself. During the reign of Obama, the entire Democrat party, top to bottom, consisted of sycophants that looked at Obama as a messiah. It is not surprising that there are a few Republicans who at the least consistently give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Why is that so impossible for Jonah to deal with? 

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    • February 26, 2020, at 9:45 PM PST
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  23. kylez Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I find Jonah’s preoccupation with Seb Gorka rather peculiar. Is Seb Gorka a person that anyone cares about or pays attention to? I would be shocked if more than .01% of Americans had ever heard of him. (The only reason I’ve heard of him is because of Jonah!) Am I missing something? Are there legions of Gorkistas who are influencing American politics below the radar?

    I was just thinking the same. I’d never heard of this Gorka either until Jonah first mentioned him several months ago, and Jonah may be the only person I ever hear mention him.

    This is what Twitter is doing to the pundit class.

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    • February 27, 2020, at 12:18 AM PST
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  24. JackButler Podcaster

    Forgot all this Trump controversy. You all should be angriest that the newbie stole my sign-off. 

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    • February 27, 2020, at 7:13 AM PST
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  25. Charlotte Member
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    kylez (View Comment):

    This is what Twitter is doing to the pundit class.

    I think you’re right.

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    • February 27, 2020, at 7:16 AM PST
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  26. Charlotte Member
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    Architectus (View Comment):

    Sebastian Gorka is simply Jonah’s model of an unapologetic supporter of President Trump. Since Jonah cannot conceive of how supporting Trump (in any way) does not need to come with continuous sack-cloth-and-ashes apologies for his character, he must be ridiculed. The truth is that Mr. Gorka is a jovial, happy warrior that always sees the actions of Trump in the best light, and is not often wrong to do so. Give him a listen and judge for yourself. During the reign of Obama, the entire Democrat party, top to bottom, consisted of sycophants that looked at Obama as a messiah. It is not surprising that there are a few Republicans who at the least consistently give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Why is that so impossible for Jonah to deal with?

    Thanks for the background, @architectus. Sounds correct to me, although I’ll probably pass on listening to Gorka’s show as there are only so many hours in the day… :-)

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    • February 27, 2020, at 7:19 AM PST
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  27. Kim K. Member
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    JackButler (View Comment):

    Forgot all this Trump controversy. You all should be angriest that the newbie stole my sign-off.

    But he did it so timidly hardly anyone noticed.

     

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    • February 27, 2020, at 7:51 AM PST
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  28. RPD Member
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    JackButler (View Comment):

    Forgot all this Trump controversy. You all should be angriest that the newbie stole my sign-off.

    He’s extending the tradition you founded. Hopefully when there are great grand-minions they will still be signing off that way.

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    • February 28, 2020, at 6:34 PM PST
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  29. Charlotte Member
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    @blueyeti, I noticed that there is at least one newer episode of The Remnant appearing in iTunes. Does this mean that Ricochet will no longer be carrying it? Thanks!

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    • March 2, 2020, at 8:51 AM PST
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