AEI Fellow, author, and Washington Free Beacon founder Matt Continetti comes back to the program, and Jonah gets to pick his brain about… well, a ton of different things. From his expectations for the Biden presidency, to the shockingly progressive staff of the incoming administration, to the Georgia runoffs and a critical reappraisal of the neoconservatives’ role in deradicalizing the left, Matt provides deep and nuanced answers to the biggest stories of the day as well as the issues of bigger philosophical significance to conservatives. He and Jonah also dial in on some of the upcoming decisions that those on the right will have to make in the near future – decisions that may define basic points of conservative doctrine for a long time to come: What should be counted as a conservative “win,” either in politics or culture? Is conservatism going to be big-tent or selective in its coalition-building? And what should the conservative position on China be, as it becomes clearer that the nation may have grown into a superpower that shares very few of our values?

 

Show Notes:

Matt’s page at AEI

Obama’s third term

 Biden’s campaign manager being… unkind to Republicans

The Remnant with Andy Smarick

“Bobos”

The Polish Beer-Lovers’ Party

The Remnant with Tim Alberta

The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium by Martin Gurri

The Roots of Modern Conservatism by Michael Bowen

The Remnant with Carlos Lozada

What Biden can learn from Nat Glazer

Governing Priorities by AEI

Conservatism has conserved a lot, actually

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Subscribe to The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg in Apple Podcasts (and leave a 5-star review, please!), or by RSS feed. For all our podcasts in one place, subscribe to the Ricochet Audio Network Superfeed in Apple Podcasts or by RSS feed.

There are 13 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    I was looking for a podcast to listen to during my morning run. With great trepidation, I downloaded the Remnant with Matt Continetti because I really like Matt.

    Jonah asked Matt what he thought of Biden’s Cabinet picks. Jonah admitted that he hadn’t paid much attention to the picks because he found them “blissfully boring.” Matt proceed to go through each of Cabinet picks and describe how each of them was a radical left-winger that was absolutely horrible for the country. I wish I could have seen Jonah’s face, but the shock of a Trump critic also arguing that Biden may not be the brave stalwart against the left wing of his party was readily apparent even through the audio. Jonah fumblingly tried to argue that he wasn’t worried about Biden being able to implement a radical left-wing agenda because he would be “ineffectual” (which is an odd argument given that Jonah’s argument for months has been that Biden will vigorously and effectively push back against the left-wing of his party.) Jonah was then forced to acknowledge that one of them (but only one) was actually bad (contradicting his earlier self.)

    Then, when discussing the GA Senate runoffs, Jonah made some incoherent argument that conservatives taking some losses might actually be good for the country and then argued that Biden actually wanted the Republicans to win the GA runoffs so he could use that as an excuse to push back against the left of his party (because Jonah can’t let go of his argument for voting for Biden.) Matt said that he absolutely thought Biden wanted the Dems to win the runoffs so he could have complete control of the government to implement his radical left agenda. Matt then pointed out a couple of horrible bills that he thought would pass in a 50/50 Senate. Jonah had nothing to say in response and was forced to change the subject.

    It’s a long one, so I haven’t finished the podcast, but it was glorious to hear someone expose the vacuity of Jonah’s argument for Biden to his face and listen to Jonah flounder at having his entire argument for the last several months be exposed for the vacuity that it is.

    If you are an EverTrumper, I can’t recommend listening to it because Matt is very critical of Trump, but in an intelligent way that also acknowledges that Biden might be really bad in a way that Jonah hasn’t even bothered to try for the last few months. I have to say that Jonah’s reluctance to acknowledge that Biden might not actually be the bravest kindest President in the last century made me think it will take longer for him to come back to normal than I previously thought, but this episode was still great to listen to.

    YMMV

    • #1
  2. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    Of course, if you are NeverTrumper that has been praying for Joe Biden to win the Presidency, you should not listen to it either.

    • #2
  3. Joseph Stocks Member
    Joseph Stocks
    @JosephStocks

    Yeah, I don’t think people understand our struggle with Jonah’s descent into intellectual mediocrity. We discuss it so much because of how much we used to respect his observations and arguments. And the kind of hilarious irony is Jonah literally wrote the book predicting the Antifa/BLM insanity that is tearing our country apart. Liberal Fascism is a must read and is probably on a lot of Ricochett’s bookshelves so I think a lot of us our kind of saddened to see a guy who used to ‘get it’ so wildly not get it now. 

    The guy who wrote the book on liberal fascism doesn’t get that its here now. I am expecting at some point for Jonah to repudiate his first and amazing book. I think as he continues this Biden defensive posture he will be forced to do such a mea culpa. 

    It’s also a point that I believe @blueyeti misses when many of us here are critical of Jonah here or on GLOP. We think they left us and of course they may think we left them, in terms of a philosophical direction (and that’s all fine, agree to disagree stuff). 

    But we keep an eye on Jonah because we knew he was intellectual sharp but now he’s just intellectual mediocre and we hope he, maybe without Trump, can get back to being the Jonah we loved. Sadly, @asquared has informed us that that may not be happening. 

    I know Jonah and Kevin Williamson posited the idea that anything Trump created the past four years is radioactive and needs to be jettisoned so this could explain his tremendous sympathy (or more hope) for a Biden centrism that none of us have ever seen. 

    • #3
  4. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge
    JuliaBlaschke
    @JuliaBlaschke

    A-Squared (View Comment):

    I was looking for a podcast to listen to during my morning run. With great trepidation, I download the Remnant with Matt Contineti because I really like Matt.

    Jonah asked Matt what he thought of Biden’s Cabinet picks. Jonah admitted that he hadn’t paid much attention to the pick because he found them “blissfully boring.” Matt proceed to go through each of Cabinet picks and describe how each of them were absolutely horrible for the country. I wish I could have seen Jonah’s face, but the shock of a Trump critic also arguing that Biden may not be the brave stalwart against the left wing of his party was readily apparent even through the audio. Jonah tried to argue that he wasn’t worried about Biden being able to implement a radical left-wing agenda because he would be “ineffectual” (which is an odd argument given that Jonah’s argument for months has been that Biden will vigorously and effectively push back against the left-wing of his party.) After calling Biden’s cabinet picks “blissfully boring” he was forced to acknowledge that one of them was actually bad (contradicting his earlier self.)

    Then, when discussing the GA Senate runoffs, Jonah made some incoherent argument that conservatives taking some losses might actually be good for the country and then argued that Biden actually wanted the Republicans to win the GA runoffs so he could use that as an excuse to push back against the left of his party (which has been Jonah’s argument for voting for Biden for months now.) Matt said that he absolutely thought Biden wanted the Dems to win the runoffs so he could have complete control of the government to implement his radical left agenda. Matt then pointed out a couple of horrible bills that he thought would pass in a 50/50 Senate. Jonah had nothing to say in response and was forced to change the subject. ……

    I was just going to write a comment but you have covered my points exactly. Jonah is still way too sanguine about the Biden Administration.

    Just wanted to add that I was appalled by Jonah’s comments about Loeffler. He said he would have a hard time pulling the lever for her. Good grief! With the balance of power in the Senate at stake and the truly awful alternative of Warnock? There is something very wrong with Jonah’s thinking there and it seems to me he much too often prefers Democrats.

    • #4
  5. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):
    Yeah, I don’t think people understand our struggle with Jonah’s descent into intellectual mediocrity.

    I wish I could dispute this, but I’m not sure I can. There was also a question from Jonah on the podcast about (roughly paraphrasing from memory near the end of an interval run) asking how people can pull back from the insanity of the last few years, and all I could think of was that Jonah should be asking that very question of himself, yet his point was that everyone but he has gone insane when he has clearly gone off the deep end when he started campaigning for the Democrat.

    I’m broadly critical of Trump and generally a fan of Jonah (and the GLoP podcast brought me to Ricochet) but Jonah’s behavior over the last year as he has actively been campaigning for Biden should be an embarrassment to self-described conservatives everywhere, but Jonah is convinced that it is impossible to be a conservative and be critical of his behavior.

    • #5
  6. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge
    JuliaBlaschke
    @JuliaBlaschke

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):
    The guy who wrote the book on liberal fascism doesn’t get that its here now. I am expecting at some point for Jonah to repudiate his first and amazing book. I think as he continues this Biden defensive posture he will be forced to do such a mea culpa. 

    I have already heard Jonah say he would write that book very differently today.

    • #6
  7. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Just wanted to add that I was appalled by Jonah’s comments about Loeffler. He said he would have a hard time pulling the lever for her. Good grief! With the balance of power in the Senate at stake and the truly awful alternative of Warnock? There is something very wrong with Jonah’s thinking there and it seems to me he much too often prefers Democrat

    I need to go back and listen to what I described above as his incoherent argument, but it seemed clear to me at the time that he actually wanted the Democrats to win the runoffs because America would be better off. What a bizarre argument for someone that claims to be a conservative, but my guess is that Jonah has convinced himself that Biden is the “kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being” for no reason other than he ran against Trump.

    • #7
  8. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):
    I know Jonah and Kevin Williamson posited the idea that anything Trump created the past four years is radioactive and needs to be jettisoned so this could explain his tremendous sympathy (or more hope) for a Biden centrism that none of us have ever seen. 

    He should listen to Jim Geraghty. Jim has been explaining since the primaries that Biden isn’t the political centrist that he is portrayed to be. Instead, he’s a Democrat centrist. That is, he morphs his beliefs to be in the center of his party. Since the party has shifted so far to the left, Biden has moved quite a bit in that direction as well. How confident is Jonah that Biden will be that much in charge anyway?

    • #8
  9. A-Squared Inactive
    A-Squared
    @ASquared

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    How confident is Jonah that Biden will be that much in charge anyway?

    I don’t think Jonah cares if Biden is in charge – pretending that he will be is just a convenient argument for voting Democrat. Jonah would gleefully trade single-payer health-care, a green new deal that nationalizes the entire economy, and a packed Supreme Court to be rid of Trump.

    • #9
  10. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    There is something very wrong with Jonah’s thinking there and it seems to me he much too often prefers Democrats.

    There has been something very wrong with Jonah’s thinking for quite a while, maybe even starting before Trump but it didn’t come to light earlier.

    • #10
  11. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    How confident is Jonah that Biden will be that much in charge anyway?

    I don’t think Jonah cares if Biden is in charge – pretending that he will be is just a convenient argument for voting Democrat. Jonah would gleefully trade single-payer health-care, a green new deal that nationalizes the entire economy, and a packed Supreme Court to be rid of Trump.

    Talk about putting your own interests ahead of the country’s, which is what Jonah and many others accuse Trump of…

    • #11
  12. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Also, a prediction: Matt Continetti will not be invited back.

    • #12
  13. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    “Married… With Children” had a bit where, when father/husband Al would mess up again, the kids would say, sarcastically, “Thanks, dad!”

     

     

     

    I think in the future, whenever Biden et al screw up and make things worse, we should all say “Thanks, Jonah!”

    And maybe throw in “Thanks, Gary!” too.

    • #13