National Review editor Rich Lowry rejoins the Remnant to discuss–and debate–the virtues of nationalism, the subject of his new book, The Case for Nationalism: How It Made Us Powerful, United, and Free.

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The Case for Nationalism – Rich Lowry

National Review: Editors podcast 

The last time Rich and Jonah debated nationalism 

The Yoram Hazony episode

Declaration of Independence

Gettysburg Address

I Have A Dream 

Why Liberalism Failed – Patrick Deneen 

Suicide of the West – Jonah Goldberg

Liberal Fascism – Jonah Goldberg

Thanksgiving as a nationalist holiday

FDR’s Third Inaugural 

FDR’s D-Day prayer

Why nationalists should worry that Trump is now self-declared nationalist

Trump’s Poland speech

Greenland should be ours

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There are 3 comments.

  1. kedavis Member

    Could anyone really confuse Fresca and Dr Pepper, even without actually tasting either one? If that wasn’t just some kind of joke (hard to figure), it may be the most definitive evidence yet of Jonah’s decline.

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    • November 5, 2019, at 7:24 PM PST
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  2. ericB Listener

    @richlowry wants to knock down the claim that “America is an idea”.

    If I emigrated to Japan, I could not become Japanese. But people of foreign ancestry and ethnicity can become Americans precisely because America and American identity are not defined by an ethnic national identity.

    Lowry’s own recent monologue for his book defeats his own claim.

    “this is a country not necessarily for Englishmen, but emphatically by Englishmen…” Not “for Englishmen” because it doesn’t depend on ancestry or ethnicity.

    “…including their notions of liberty…” “Notions” are ideas, which people from different ethnicities and ancestries have embraced.

    He repeatedly points out that other very different ideas from other places would not have given us America. True, but not relevant. No one claims that America is any idea. That doesn’t alter in the least the fact that America is defined by ideas such that our American identity doesn’t depend on a person’s ancestry or ethnicity in the way that most other national identities are defined.

    Some of his arguments seem to point out we don’t nationally affirm every idea (e.g. celebrate every possible holiday). True again, but another straw man. No one claims America is every idea.

    “Culture is seeded with ideas” How does that work against the claim that “America is an idea”?

    It seems that his characterization of the issue creates an artificially weak straw man version that he can dismiss, rather than engage fully with the distinctive basis of American identity.

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    • November 6, 2019, at 8:55 AM PST
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  3. MISTER BITCOIN Coolidge

    didn’t milton friedman describe ‘nationalism’ as an alien creed to a free society?

     

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    • November 7, 2019, at 4:04 PM PST
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