Jonah returns for the weekend Ruminant to address the growing unease he gets from the national protest movements. What’s going to be more damaging: the protests, or the massive overcorrection from the critics of the protests? With a little bit of perspective, it should be easy to see that everyone is manipulating data for their own ends – the epidemiologists, the protesters, and, of course, the Executive (to put it politely).

 

Show Notes:

This week’s G-File

Wednesday’s “news”letter

Epidemiologists shift from social distance to social justice

The Remnant Twitter AI asking for audience suggestions

Epidemiologists insisting that you can’t go to church

The heartening history of American racial attitudes over time

Part of Jonah’s review of The Defining Moment

The St. John’s Church photo op – already adorned with a Wikipedia page

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  1. TerryS Member

    More Trump hatred from Jonah.

    It is so, so, tedious. I am not really interested in whatever psychological issues Jonah Goldberg has with Trump. Someday, perhaps, Jonah will take an honest look at himself and confess that he is a democrat.

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    • June 6, 2020, at 11:34 AM PDT
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  2. dicentra Member
    dicentra Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jonah, it’s useless to point out that we’re a lot less racist than we used to be. Focus on the reason for the term “systemic racism.” If the system is racist at its core, then the system must be destroyed and replaced by one in which the most radical leftists are in charge.

    The worst activists are going for all the marbles. They want to “smash capitalism,” which is why they’re so profoundly unmoved by shut-down businesses or by seeing them looted and burned. They give zero effs about the people who are traumatized by having their life’s work destroyed, by pandemic or by fire.

    As is usual with the Left, the issue is not the issue. The issue is power. They are piggy-backing on the proposition that the system is irredeemably racist to effect the Bolshevik, Cuban, and French revolutions.

    When the larger goal is Revolution, you back all of the measures to destroy the current system, and so it’s highly consistent to support the lockdown AND the protests AND the riots.

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    • June 6, 2020, at 1:46 PM PDT
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  3. Franz Drumlin Member

    TerryS (View Comment):
    It is so, so, tedious

    Um . . . you don’t have to listen? Just a suggestion. And as for Jonah Goldberg (or insert other NeverTrumper here) doing a ‘Max Boot’ and turn full-on Democrat I wouldn’t hold my breath. He was fighting the good fight long before Trump was elected President and will be dispensing mirth and mayhem well after The Donald retires to Mar-a-Lago. Keep the faith, comrade!

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    • June 6, 2020, at 3:33 PM PDT
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  4. Laptop Member
    Laptop Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Some British epidemiologists are holding a consistent line. From theguardian.com “Any mass gathering risks significant numbers of further cases,” said Keith Neal, Nottingham University’s emeritus professor of the epidemiology of infectious diseases. “There is clear evidence that banning mass gatherings was one of the most effective and important parts of the lockdowns across European countries.”

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  5. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    TerryS (View Comment):
    It is so, so, tedious.

    Support for Trump? It certainly is. It is quite possible to be appalled by Trump and not be a Democrat.

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    • June 6, 2020, at 7:58 PM PDT
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  6. TerryS Member

    Franz Drumlin (View Comment):

    TerryS (View Comment):
    It is so, so, tedious

    Um . . . you don’t have to listen? Just a suggestion. And as for Jonah Goldberg (or insert other NeverTrumper here) doing a ‘Max Boot’ and turn full-on Democrat I wouldn’t hold my breath. He was fighting the good fight long before Trump was elected President and will be dispensing mirth and mayhem well after The Donald retires to Mar-a-Lago. Keep the faith, comrade!

    Jonah is really good on almost every political topic other than Trump.

    When he talks about Trump, his voice changes pitch and starts speaking faster. He doesn’t do that when he talks about anyone else. Goldberg has an emotional response to trump.

    So I listen for the other commentary. If I could, I would listen to a version with the trumpy-bits cut out, because they are tedious.

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    • June 6, 2020, at 8:52 PM PDT
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  7. WilliamDean Coolidge

    Paean – pronounced like “Peon,” but with a hint of hard “A” in your hard “E”.

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    • June 7, 2020, at 12:19 AM PDT
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  8. Franz Drumlin Member

    TerryS (View Comment):
    So I listen for the other commentary. If I could, I would listen to a version with the trumpy-bits cut out, because they are tedious.

    Then we are agreed that a person can be less than enthusiastic in support of Donald Trump and still be a solid conservative. Even if Donald Trump is reelected he still has to leave office in January 2024. That is a blink of an eye from now. We need each other. If Bill Kristol and Max Boot choose to depart from the fold, so be it. Good riddance, even (with the door left open for prodigal sons who suddenly wake up from their madness and feel the need for a penitential return). Let’s not mimic the Left and start excommunicating people for insufficient fervor.

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    • June 7, 2020, at 6:47 AM PDT
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  9. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    TerryS (View Comment):
    When he talks about Trump, his voice changes pitch and starts speaking faster. He doesn’t do that when he talks about anyone else. Goldberg has an emotional response to trump.

    I think the emotional response (if there is any, I haven’t noticed it) is because he knows he will be attacked by people like you.

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    • June 7, 2020, at 8:18 AM PDT
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  10. Quintus Sertorius Coolidge

    Franz Drumlin (View Comment):

    TerryS (View Comment):
    So I listen for the other commentary. If I could, I would listen to a version with the trumpy-bits cut out, because they are tedious.

    Then we are agreed that a person can be less than enthusiastic in support of Donald Trump and still be a solid conservative. Even if Donald Trump is reelected he still has to leave office in January 2024. That is a blink of an eye from now. We need each other. If Bill Kristol and Max Boot choose to depart from the fold, so be it. Good riddance, even (with the door left open for prodigal sons who suddenly wake up from their madness and feel the need for a penitential return). Let’s not mimic the Left and start excommunicating people for insufficient fervor.

    Excellent point and I 100% agree that the right of center should not be sending anyone to the guillotine so to speak.

     

    I have absolutely not problem with the criticisms of Donald Trump….in fact I think history will show he is the single worse thing to happen to the Republican Party since its founding in 1854.

     

    My critique of Jonah at times and David French at almost all times and their ilk is the condescending attitude they seem to have to those who voted for Donald Trump and this idea that since his election everyone on the right and then by default American Institutions have somehow been so soiled that they may not be savable…imho the New Left is at war with everyone and I think Jonah et al have lost sight of that fact and they think in the end we can all get along….well…for The New Left this is like the Highlander….there can be only one….I think they criticize the right too much and treat the left with kid gloves now because of Donald Trump and I think that will really back fire on them. The Right needs critiques for sure but not in such a condescending way they are doing it….

     

    Just my opinion…

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  11. TerryS Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    TerryS (View Comment):
    It is so, so, tedious.

    Support for Trump? It certainly is. It is quite possible to be appalled by Trump and not be a Democrat.

    Jonah is less appalled by Democrats than he is by Trump.

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    • June 7, 2020, at 11:07 AM PDT
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  12. TerryS Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    TerryS (View Comment):
    When he talks about Trump, his voice changes pitch and starts speaking faster. He doesn’t do that when he talks about anyone else. Goldberg has an emotional response to trump.

    I think the emotional response (if there is any, I haven’t noticed it) is because he knows he will be attacked by people like you.

    I doubt if Jonah even reads the comments here. It’s a tough world, Jonah attacks people like me all of the time, these days, and it bothers me not one whit.

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    • June 7, 2020, at 11:08 AM PDT
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  13. Gary Robbins Reagan

    Another great podcast by Jonah. We are so blessed that Ricochet is a big tent for the Center-Right which includes all conservatives and all points of view about Trump.

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    • June 7, 2020, at 4:14 PM PDT
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  14. Lois Lane Coolidge

    I don’t agree with everything Jonah says, but I love Jim Mattis. I also understand how people who like Trump feel Jonah has a bit of an emotional reaction that can be grating. Yet I get how people feel he is simply saying interesting things. I am absolutely with him when he says he thinks/feels everyone is losing their minds. And he brings up cool things about FDR that reveal authoritarian impulses.

    On balance, I like his podcast.

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  15. SParker Member

    WilliamDean (View Comment):

    Paean – pronounced like “Peon,” but with a hint of hard “A” in your hard “E”.

    Interesting. That’s pretty much how Merriam-Webster’s says it. But I always thought the “ae” was an umlauted A. Turns out that’s the value the modern Greek word does indeed have and the value the British pronunciation has. Compare here.

    Edited to remove error on how to pronounce an umlauted A caused by temporary failure to remember that I suck at phonetic transcription.

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  16. Eugene Kriegsmann Member

    I have been reading and listening to Jonah longer than any other writer on the right. I always liked him. I have not been thrilled about the changes that have happened during his transition away from NR in into the Dispatch. He is a very clear thinker and a man of impeccable integrity. Donald Trump, on the other hand, is neither a clear thinker, nor a man of even minimal integrity. However, Donald Trump, unfortunately, is our Horatius at the bridge, and that is where so many of us are forced to lend support where we would be far happier with a more heroic defender.

    Almost daily, I am appalled by things Trump says or does. Many are simply undefendable. I missed his little march to the church, and have only read critiques of it, many by staunch conservatives like Drew Klavan who found it, at best, a failed theatric. I deeply resent having to defend Trump when so much of what he does is uncouth or simply crass. However, the things he has accomplished by his placements on the Supreme Court and possibility that he will be able to place even more justices on court and in lower courts reversing the trend of so many years makes it impossible for me to not defend and support him. Oh, if we only had a more perfect leader!

    Perhaps because I am in the winter of my life and don’t know how many more years are left to me, I cannot abide, as Jonah and many other Trump’s critics can, the idea that a few years of Democrat rule. I watched our country decline through eight years of the Obama administration. To my way of thinking much of the “W” administration wasn’t all that much better. It has been a long time since real advancements in the conservative cause have occurred. To see them lost, or simply stifled is unthinkable to me, more so than swallowing the somewhat bitter pill of watching a man so averse to the things I hold most valuable maintain and defend other things I also consider valuable. Trump is a vulgarian, devoid of grace and gravitas. However, as the saying goes, he is our vulgarian and winning the culture war, rebuilding the country I knew as a child, is far too important. Wars are dirty, nasty affairs. They are seldom won by forces afraid to get their hands dirty. Jonah, Steve, Bill Kristol, and a bunch of other goody-goodies who think they can win and stay pure simultaneously are deluding themselves. Once the war is won we can go back to puritanical principles, for now, winning is everything. I spent more than 40 years in the education system where the left showed exactly what the world would be like when they gained hegemony. It was a nightmare, one only retirement resolved for me.

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  17. kedavis Member

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    I have been reading and listening to Jonah longer than any other writer on the right. I always liked him. I have not been thrilled about the changes that have happened during his transition away from NR in into the Dispatch. He is a very clear thinker and a man of impeccable integrity. Donald Trump, on the other hand, is neither a clear thinker, nor a man of even minimal integrity. However, Donald Trump, unfortunately, is our Horatius at the bridge, and that is where so many of us are forced to lend support where we would be far happier with a more heroic defender.

    Almost daily, I am appalled by things Trump says or does. Many are simply undefendable. I missed his little march to the church, and have only read critiques of it, many by staunch conservatives like Drew Klavan who found it, at best, a failed theatric. I deeply resent having to defend Trump when so much of what he does is uncouth or simply crass. However, the things he has accomplished by his placements on the Supreme Court and possibility that he will be able to place even more justices on court and in lower courts reversing the trend of so many years makes it impossible for me to not defend and support him. Oh, if we only had a more perfect leader!

    Perhaps because I am in the winter of my life and don’t know how many more years are left to me, I cannot abide, as Jonah and many other Trump’s critics can, the idea that a few years of Democrat rule. I watched our country decline through eight years of the Obama administration. To my way of thinking much of the “W” administration wasn’t all that much better. It has been a long time since real advancements in the conservative cause have occurred. To see them lost, or simply stifled is unthinkable to me, more so than swallowing the somewhat bitter pill of watching a man so averse to the things I hold most valuable maintain and defend other things I also consider valuable. Trump is a vulgarian, devoid of grace and gravitas. However, as the saying goes, he is our vulgarian and winning the culture war, rebuilding the country I knew as a child, is far too important. Wars are dirty, nasty affairs. They are seldom won by forces afraid to get their hands dirty. Jonah, Steve, Bill Kristol, and a bunch of other goody-goodies who think they can win and stay pure simultaneously are deluding themselves. Once the war is won we can go back to puritanical principles, for now, winning is everything. I spent more than 40 years in the education system where the left showed exactly what the world would be like when they gained hegemony. It was a nightmare, one only retirement resolved for me.

    Can I buy a few hundred more “likes” from others?

    [cont’d]

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  18. kedavis Member

    Maybe Jonah and others consider themselves still young enough that they don’t mind sacrificing a few years or even decades in order to return to what they view as necessary chivalry or whatever. But even aside from the possibility that others may not have that long – and it’s also possible for even “young” people to be struck down by disease, etc – it sure isn’t nice of them to be willing to allow the rest of the country (and the world) to suffer so that THEY get what THEY want.

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    • June 8, 2020, at 2:49 PM PDT
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