It’s the weekend, therefore it’s time for another Ruminant. This time, it’s a monologue in which Jonah truly realizes how Remnant-y he’s really become. In his own words, “the point of conservatism is not to get the Republican Party elected.” In short, this is a “down with majoritarianism, up with principles” kind of episode.

Show Notes:

This week’s G-File

Wednesday’s “news”letter

Suicide of the West (now out in paperback!)

The non-scandal of Tina Fey and Jimmy Kimmel

Steve Teles (Robert Saldin): Never Trump: The Revolt of the Conservative Elites

Patrick Deneen’s piece for American Compass

Hofstadter’s book on social Darwinism

Herbert Spencer and his infamous phrase

“The Fourteenth Amendment does not enact Mr. Herbert Spencer’s Social Statics.”

-Leonard’s “Origins of the myths of social Darwinism”

The Pilgrim’s Progress

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  1. Quintus Sertorius Coolidge

    Disclaimer…this post is based on the summary of the podcast…

    The summary of this episode makes very little sense to me. If you live in a democratic state you want to vote for those who have similar philosophical and political views as you do; that is how your ideas get put into policy. As of right now even with all of its faults, the Republican Party is the party for conservatives-therefore one would want to elect Republicans into office if you are a conservative and want conservative ideals put into policy. I guess though, if you just want to wax poetic and be like the Ancients in Stargate SG1 you can stay out of the fray and accuse those fighting to be justy conspiracy theorists. 

    This is what upsets me most about The Dispatch et al….they are treating the left with kid gloves and arguing that all of this is really just a bunch of Alt-Right fanatics making up conspiracy theories and that all will be okay in the end. I wonder what Mr. Goldberg will do when they decide to remove conservative political theory from the language and erase it from history….I guess continue to sit in his car and argue it is just a conspiracy theory and all is okay.

    I understand his argument that conservatism is not about electing people and staying true to your beliefs….I get that. But we don’t live in a world of philosophers…we live in a world of policy and action. I also get that he is tired of “fighting” the battles….fine…stay out of it….but don’t hurl swords and bullets at those fighting it acting like some high and mighty philosopher above the uneducated peons below you.

    You can not agree with President Trump or even think that he is the worst person to have fighting the battles to preserve our institutions and still know that there is indeed a cultural war going on at this moment-one whose main goal is to destroy the foundations of this country; the fight is there and the fight is real. It is a shame that Mr. Goldberg has decided to withdraw from the fight due to some idea that the election of Donald Trump soiled the political wing of conservatism so bad that it is not worth saving. I actually don’t disagree with that to some degree but man….in this instance you have to put that behind you and engage in the fight….this is for all the marbles….the “new left” will wipe conservatism from history and erase those that have led it including Mr. Goldberg. If you can’t vote for President Trump..fine…find another way to fight the battles….support Tim Scott…find other young conservative leaders and give them a voice…..withdrawing now is like being a child and taking your toys home….

    • #1
    • June 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM PDT
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  2. TerryS Member

    Another very odd soliloquy by JG. First he claims that he gets criticism for both not being anti-Trump and not being anti-Democrat, so he is, somehow, correct. But he claims to be a conservative, he should strive to criticize the Democrats more than the (conservative) Trump. Pelosi is less conservative than Trump, Pelosi should be criticized by conservatives more than Trump.

    Then we have a bit more Trump mind-reading.

    Then Biden is praised as a moderate whose election will not be as disruptive as Trump’s re-election. Jonah, who despises the Clintons (or used to) actually praises Biden for his “clintonesque” tendencies.

    He says that the outcome of one election will not destroy America or American conservatism, then he explains how horrifying the prospect of Trump’s re-election is.

    Jonah seems to believe that there is daylight between the Democrat Party and the media. The Democrat party is an arm of the media, not the other way around. In his saner moments, Jonah despairs over the weakness of modern American political parties. But then he explains that the Dem party leaders are strong enough to reject or ignore the media and far-Left Democrat politicians.

    Jonah takes no responsibility at all for the electoral decline of the kind of conservatism he claims to love. In fact, we have Trump because not enough Americans find the kind of conservatism Jonah promotes to be in their own interests, as conservatives.

    In November Jonah will have a binary choice between a moderate conservative (Trump) and an incompetent, senile, dullard of a far-Leftist. He just can’t bring himself to vote for either.

    • #2
    • June 27, 2020, at 8:30 AM PDT
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  3. dicentra Member
    dicentra Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jonah, I hope that you are right, that the statue-toppling is just a bunch of kids blowing off lockdown steam.

    But it doesn’t look like it. Why, if you’re just blowing off steam, would you topple statues in the first place? Why do it all over the nation? These punks are being guided by far-left radicals, and they’re tearing up more than just the Confederacy, to soften the ground for this one proposition: The Founding itself was a deeply racist project, so the whole system must be torn out and replaced.

    It’s strange that you’d just now start seeing the Maoism in this movement, when it’s been trending toward struggle sessions and Red Guards for years. Howard Zinn wrote that book to discredit the Founding so that it could be uprooted. So that the Millennials on down would cheer it. You may not have noticed but those generations have zero antibodies against Moral Panics and Maoism.

    The pandemic has drastically changed what “normal” means, and the Left is taking advantage of it to move the hell out of the Overton Window. It is a very short step between iconoclasm and Revolution. We will become Venezuela by this time next year if it’s not stopped.

    • #3
    • June 27, 2020, at 4:44 PM PDT
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  4. kedavis Member

    Quintus Sertorius (View Comment):

    Disclaimer…this post is based on the summary of the podcast…

    The summary of this episode makes very little sense to me. If you live in a democratic state you want to vote for those who have similar philosophical and political views as you do; that is how your ideas get put into policy. As of right now even with all of its faults, the Republican Party is the party for conservatives-therefore one would want to elect Republicans into office if you are a conservative and want conservative ideals put into policy. I guess though, if you just want to wax poetic and be like the Ancients in Stargate SG1 you can stay out of the fray and accuse those fighting to be justy conspiracy theorists.

    This is what upsets me most about The Dispatch et al….they are treating the left with kid gloves and arguing that all of this is really just a bunch of Alt-Right fanatics making up conspiracy theories and that all will be okay in the end. I wonder what Mr. Goldberg will do when they decide to remove conservative political theory from the language and erase it from history….I guess continue to sit in his car and argue it is just a conspiracy theory and all is okay.

    I understand his argument that conservatism is not about electing people and staying true to your beliefs….I get that. But we don’t live in a world of philosophers…we live in a world of policy and action. I also get that he is tired of “fighting” the battles….fine…stay out of it….but don’t hurl swords and bullets at those fighting it acting like some high and mighty philosopher above the uneducated peons below you.

    You can not agree with President Trump or even think that he is the worst person to have fighting the battles to preserve our institutions and still know that there is indeed a cultural war going on at this moment-one whose main goal is to destroy the foundations of this country; the fight is there and the fight is real. It is a shame that Mr. Goldberg has decided to withdraw from the fight due to some idea that the election of Donald Trump soiled the political wing of conservatism so bad that it is not worth saving. I actually don’t disagree with that to some degree but man….in this instance you have to put that behind you and engage in the fight….this is for all the marbles….the “new left” will wipe conservatism from history and erase those that have led it including Mr. Goldberg. If you can’t vote for President Trump..fine…find another way to fight the battles….support Tim Scott…find other young conservative leaders and give them a voice…..withdrawing now is like being a child and taking your toys home….

    I want to “like” each individual paragraph of this. 

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    • June 27, 2020, at 8:07 PM PDT
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  5. kedavis Member

    TerryS (View Comment):

    Another very odd soliloquy by JG. First he claims that he gets criticism for both not being anti-Trump and not being anti-Democrat, so he is, somehow, correct. But he claims to be a conservative, he should strive to criticize the Democrats more than the (conservative) Trump. Pelosi is less conservative than Trump, Pelosi should be criticized by conservatives more than Trump.

    Then we have a bit more Trump mind-reading.

    Then Biden is praised as a moderate whose election will not be as disruptive as Trump’s re-election. Jonah, who despises the Clintons (or used to) actually praises Biden for his “clintonesque” tendencies.

    He says that the outcome of one election will not destroy America or American conservatism, then he explains how horrifying the prospect of Trump’s re-election is.

    Jonah seems to believe that there is daylight between the Democrat Party and the media. The Democrat party is an arm of the media, not the other way around. In his saner moments, Jonah despairs over the weakness of modern American political parties. But then he explains that the Dem party leaders are strong enough to reject or ignore the media and far-Left Democrat politicians.

    Jonah takes no responsibility at all for the electoral decline of the kind of conservatism he claims to love. In fact, we have Trump because not enough Americans find the kind of conservatism Jonah promotes to be in their own interests, as conservatives.

    In November Jonah will have a binary choice between a moderate conservative (Trump) and an incompetent, senile, dullard of a far-Leftist. He just can’t bring himself to vote for either.

    Also this one.

    And, like it or not, not voting at all helps Biden win.

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    • June 27, 2020, at 8:08 PM PDT
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  6. kedavis Member

    dicentra (View Comment):

    Jonah, I hope that you are right, that the statue-toppling is just a bunch of kids blowing off lockdown steam.

    But it doesn’t look like it. Why, if you’re just blowing off steam, would you topple statues in the first place? Why do it all over the nation? These punks are being guided by far-left radicals, and they’re tearing up more than just the Confederacy, to soften the ground for this one proposition: The Founding itself was a deeply racist project, so the whole system must be torn out and replaced.

    It’s strange that you’d just now start seeing the Maoism in this movement, when it’s been trending toward struggle sessions and Red Guards for years. Howard Zinn wrote that book to discredit the Founding so that it could be uprooted. So that the Millennials on down would cheer it. You may not have noticed but those generations have zero antibodies against Moral Panics and Maoism.

    The pandemic has drastically changed what “normal” means, and the Left is taking advantage of it to move the hell out of the Overton Window. It is a very short step between iconoclasm and Revolution. We will become Venezuela by this time next year if it’s not stopped.

    Jonah and others like him probably feel safe in their ivory towers. But ivory towers can get pulled down too.

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    • June 27, 2020, at 8:10 PM PDT
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  7. Joseph Stocks Member

    I feel sorry for Jonah. He was instantly listening for me years ago but he has become like an old professional athlete; old, dull, and sad. He has lost a step intellectually and it shows and you know he doesn’t see reality like he used to.

    Just two points; first, he doesn’t grasp the serious of the effort to erase our history. He tries to rationalize that because the leftists are taking down (or advocating for taking down) people like Grant and Lincoln then it must mean they have an incoherent message because everybody knows they are the good guys. Jonah doesn’t seem to know that to the left Grant and Lincoln and our history is not full of any good guys. Jonah is stunningly naive on this point. 

    Second; Jonah says that the AOC wing of the Democratic Party is not that influential. The AOC wing got Pelosi to impeach Trump when she didn’t’t want to. If that’s not power and influence I don’t know what is. 

    Jonah, please get better or just hang then up.

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    • June 27, 2020, at 8:56 PM PDT
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  8. WilliamDean Coolidge

    I like Jonah’s efforts on his Friday / Weekend podcast, but the tone with which he responds to his audience can be whiny. On the one hand, I think he takes too much of his criticism too personally. On the other, I do like that he responds to his critiques. Perhaps when he’s particularly miffed, he could single out one or two particular critical statements he’s received that he finds representative and share them and respond to them in particular. Because right now trying to summarize and respond to the whole of it comes off like, “Hey why’s everybody picking on meeeee!?”

    I mean, he DOES say he’s part of the Remnant and wears that pretty proudly here. There’s a price for wearing that kind of badge of honor. What did he expect from the greater audience? 

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    • June 27, 2020, at 11:55 PM PDT
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  9. kedavis Member

    Would that he would occasionally respond to well-thought-out criticisms here on Ricochet, not just the drive-by stuff on twitter.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 12:45 AM PDT
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  10. The Cloaked Gaijin Member

    Ricochet Audio Network:

    “the point of conservatism is not to get the Republican Party elected.”

    It’s to get the Democrats elected?

    I don’t see a lot of people on the Left trying to get the Republicans elected.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 6:25 AM PDT
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  11. Bishop Wash Member

    Jonah says that Obama didn’t do any damage because he didn’t get anything passed after Obamacare. I know Jonah buys into all the Russian Hoax stuff so he doesn’t see it, but Obama used the intelligence community to spy on the opposition party during an election. He used the administrative state to go after opponents. He fomented strife in the country that is producing fruit today. Obama did plenty of damage. 

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    • June 28, 2020, at 6:37 AM PDT
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  12. WilliamDean Coolidge

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Jonah says that Obama didn’t do any damage because he didn’t get anything passed after Obamacare. I know Jonah buys into all the Russian Hoax stuff so he doesn’t see it, but Obama used the intelligence community to spy on the opposition party during an election. He used the administrative state to go after opponents. He fomented strife in the country that is producing fruit today. Obama did plenty of damage.

    Obama took the Executive order concept that GW unfortunately introduced and put it on steroids and weaponized it, establishing a precedent that Trump has embraced and all future presidents will embrace no doubt. That’s plenty of damage to the institution of “checks and balances” federal govt right there.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 9:56 AM PDT
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  13. kedavis Member

    WilliamDean (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Jonah says that Obama didn’t do any damage because he didn’t get anything passed after Obamacare. I know Jonah buys into all the Russian Hoax stuff so he doesn’t see it, but Obama used the intelligence community to spy on the opposition party during an election. He used the administrative state to go after opponents. He fomented strife in the country that is producing fruit today. Obama did plenty of damage.

    Obama took the Executive order concept that GW unfortunately introduced and put it on steroids and weaponized it, establishing a precedent that Trump has embraced and all future presidents will embrace no doubt. That’s plenty of damage to the institution of “checks and balances” federal govt right there.

    Of course, even if Trump didn’t do it, the next Democrat still would.

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    • June 28, 2020, at 5:23 PM PDT
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  14. RS711 Listener

    Quintus Sertorius (View Comment):
    y. As of right now even with all of its faults, the Republican Party is the party for conservatives-therefore one would want to elect Republicans into office if you are a conservative and want conservative ideals put into policy.

    Unless free trade is one of your issues. Trump has the same position as Democrats and it is protectionism. So I get into fights all the time with people who claim Reagan was a protectionist (even though he embraced pro free trade Heritage). Either way, free trade is better than protectionism and Trump stands against my position whether you call me conservative or liberal.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 6:43 AM PDT
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  15. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    There’s always a point about 15 minutes when Jonah goes “woe is me, all these small minded people worried about elections hate me and my vote doesn’t even count and I’m worried about principles”

    Combined with the hard sell for the Dispatch, it’s like “you made this bed, smoke your cigars, drink your bourbon, and stop crying”

    I still like him, I just find the whining unseemly.

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 7:24 AM PDT
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  16. The Cloaked Gaijin Member

    (wrong article)

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    • June 29, 2020, at 10:48 AM PDT
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  17. Jim Wright Coolidge

    WilliamDean (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Jonah says that Obama didn’t do any damage because he didn’t get anything passed after Obamacare. I know Jonah buys into all the Russian Hoax stuff so he doesn’t see it, but Obama used the intelligence community to spy on the opposition party during an election. He used the administrative state to go after opponents. He fomented strife in the country that is producing fruit today. Obama did plenty of damage.

    Obama took the Executive order concept that GW unfortunately introduced and put it on steroids and weaponized it, establishing a precedent that Trump has embraced and all future presidents will embrace no doubt. That’s plenty of damage to the institution of “checks and balances” federal govt right there.

    Hardly a Bush 41 innovation. It was one of Bill Clinton’s people, Paul Begala *spit* who said, “Stroke of a pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool.”

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    • June 29, 2020, at 1:40 PM PDT
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  18. Charlotte Member
    Charlotte Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Belshazzar’s Feast by Rembrandt van Rijn, 1630s.

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    • July 3, 2020, at 12:59 PM PDT
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