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  1. mildlyo Member

    JG: Why are you more sympathetic to Global arming? Which facts changed your mind?

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    • April 2, 2019, at 7:24 PM PDT
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  2. kedavis Member

    Talk about being over your skis, Jonah… Manafort and/or Cohen may indeed “die in prison,” but neither was convicted or sentenced for “collusion” etc in the Trump presidential campaign or administration. Remember, there wasn’t any collusion, and you agree with that. So how could they have done what you agree didn’t even happen?

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    • April 3, 2019, at 1:56 AM PDT
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  3. kedavis Member

    Wait a minute. Robert Mueller is automatically an honest patriot because he served in Vietnam?

    Two words:

    John Kerry.

     

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    • April 3, 2019, at 2:12 AM PDT
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  4. Joseph Eagar Member

    “That’s a big problem that we say in 1859, 1860, 1861. . .”

    That little insight is from David French. Yes, he’s only now realized this. In 2019!

    Other lines from David French:

    “Donald Trump can not do one darn thing about that. . .we have so many tools at our disposal [to do it ourselves]”

    So, trade. . .immigration. . .the courts. . .I guess none of those matter?

     

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    • April 3, 2019, at 3:18 AM PDT
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  5. Joe D. Lincoln

    So, seeking negative information from a foreign power on an opponent is equivalent to making it up? Come on, that’s ridiculous! If I were running for office and thought that Putin had the dirt on my opponent, I’d be happy to get my hands on it, verses me just paying some guy to make it up, publish it, release it as a real document (somehow through the CIA).

    Give me a f***ing break!

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    • April 3, 2019, at 7:31 AM PDT
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  6. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    I’ve always thought the big lie was the conspiracy for a quid pro quo on votes, and that it was one of those lies with enough “truthiness” that people would believe it. That this lie was to get Trump administration officials on process crimes to then give the appearance the big lie was true.

    The Flynn “interrogation” still grates me and Sally Yates wanting to prosecute on the Logan Act for a perfectly reasonable conversation during a transition is a red flag. Clapper and Brennan’s bloviating and lying still hasn’t had a reckoning or even a reason why they were invested in this story as opposed to being emotionally detached. the need for Samantha Power to unmask etc. Something stinks on the other end and I hope the IG doesn’t do what they did with Clinton email investigation and try and find an excuse to temper criticism.

    The “process crimes” have now been conflated by David that someone like Papadopolous lied about the entire meeting rather than say, having an inconsistent story that caused a motivated FBI to pounce. I think he’s fallen into his own trap that the people busted were busted for the worst possible scenario rather than something was found.

    It can be true that the Trumps played footsie with bad people, but it can also be true that the investigation was done with ill intent. I’ve wanted the IG report prior to the Mueller this whole time because I had thought the Mueller investigation would have to then investigate both sides and we’d hear narratives quickly change on Mueller being a “stand up guy” from Rachel Maddow et al.

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    • April 3, 2019, at 8:18 AM PDT
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  7. Joseph Stocks Member

    Rob Long hit on something that I’ve noticed both Jonah and David do; they believe Trump supporters are completely uncritical of Trump. I believe it stems from what Rob talked about in the last Glop podcast was that they are on twitter so much and that tribal atmosphere leads them forming this false impression of Trump supporters. 

    I’ve had so many conversations (in person I would like to stress) where Trump supporters say something like, “I like what he is doing on X but I don’t like what he is doing on Y.” And we’ll all talk about how we wish Trump was better at this or that but that overall he has done a good job. 

    And I’ve encountered conservative and liberal critics of Trump say something like, “You’ll support Trump no matter what he does!” and we just scratch our heads in befuddlement. 

    I wish Jonah and David would see that this cult of Trump that they see as being pervasive in our political discourse really isn’t pervasive at all, once you leave social media. 

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    • April 3, 2019, at 12:19 PM PDT
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  8. Benjamin Glaser Member

    Ditto to all the above commentators. 

    Jonah sounds like he is getting bored with doing the podcast and is just kind of winging it, really like he has his mind on other things (like the new launch with Stephen). 

    “Let’s riff on stuff…” is not really that interesting. 

    To be honest, Trump has made y’all boring. 

    We all think Trump is an idiot. 

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    • April 3, 2019, at 12:40 PM PDT
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  9. Miffed White Male Member

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):

    Rob Long hit on something that I’ve noticed both Jonah and David do; they believe Trump supporters are completely uncritical of Trump. I believe it stems from what Rob talked about in the last Glop podcast was that they are on twitter so much and that tribal atmosphere leads them forming this false impression of Trump supporters. 

    I’ve had so many conversations (in person I would like to stress) where Trump supporters say something like, “I like what he is doing on X but I don’t like what he is doing on Y.” And we’ll all talk about how we wish Trump was better at this or that but that overall he has done a good job. 

    We don’t need to criticize Trump, because so many other people are doing it for us.

     

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    • April 3, 2019, at 12:54 PM PDT
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  10. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    Benjamin Glaser (View Comment):

    We all think Trump is an idiot.

    Jonah is Frank Grimes

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    • April 3, 2019, at 3:02 PM PDT
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  11. kedavis Member

    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    I’ve always thought the big lie was the conspiracy for a quid pro quo on votes, and that it was one of those lies with enough “truthiness” that people would believe it. That this lie was to get Trump administration officials on process crimes to then give the appearance the big lie was true.

    It can be true that the Trumps played footsie with bad people, but it can also be true that the investigation was done with ill intent. I’ve wanted the IG report prior to the Mueller this whole time because I had thought the Mueller investigation would have to then investigate both sides and we’d hear narratives quickly change on Mueller being a “stand up guy” from Rachel Maddow et al.

    As I commented elsewhere, lots of Democrats wanted Comey fired for malfeasance, incompetence, etc… until Trump fired him for malfeasance, incompetence, etc…

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    • April 3, 2019, at 4:30 PM PDT
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  12. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Joseph Stocks (View Comment):
    2019

    I am often told in this forum that I should not be critical of Trump because “you would rather have Hillary?!” I believe there are several on here that don’t want anything critical of Trump talked about because it will only help the Democrats.

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    • April 5, 2019, at 3:18 PM PDT
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  13. kedavis Member

    Objective policy criticisms are one thing. But too often all that comes up is stuff like “loathsome.” (Thank you, Jonah! And Rob Long too, really.) Which is not at all constructive or helpful, and just makes it easier for the left to paint everything Trump does – including Supreme Court nominees – as also being “loathsome” by implication.

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    • April 6, 2019, at 4:27 PM PDT
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