On this episode, Jonah is joined by Charles C.W. Cooke of National Review. It’s an eclectic mix today, as the duo gets into a good deal of punditry surrounding the Trump campaign’s election challenges and then move onto the future of conservatism (or “conservatarianism” in Charlie’s case) as a whole before tying the whole thing up around the Thanksgiving theme of gratitude. As a freshly minted American living through a relatively chaotic period in our politics, what is Cooke grateful for when it comes to the U.S.? During this holiday season, Jonah thinks we might all do well to be grateful for the fact that “we still live in a country where following politics is essentially a hobby … and isn’t a matter of survival.”

 

Show Notes:

Charlie’s main podcasting gig

Charlie’s, uh, other main podcasting gig

Florida man saves puppy from alligator

National Review and the John Birchers

The Conservatarian Manifesto

Max Boot: America’s A-Team

Randoph Bourne: “The State”

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  1. kedavis Member
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    Politics may not be a matter of survival for Jonah – at least not yet – but it’s different for many people whose livelihoods and sometimes even their lives can actually be at stake.

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  2. MDHahn Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Politics may not be a matter of survival for Jonah – at least not yet – but it’s different for many people whose livelihoods and sometimes even their lives can actually be at stake.

    Whose lives are at stake? Who is in danger from the outcome of this election? This type of Flight 93 thinking is bizarre to me. If the result of an election is a life and death event, then voting isn’t the solution, armed resistance is. Is that really what you want? 

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Coolidge
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    People have short memories. America before Obama was nothing like it is today. Everything was so . . . normal back then. People still haven’t reckoned with how much Obama actually did “fundamentally transform” the United States during his tenure. We can’t afford to continue this transformation.

    Obama actually did destroy all those “norms” that everyone blames President Trump for destroying. And it looks like we’re going to go through that again.

    But hey, if you can survive it, good on you. I don’t know if we can.

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  4. kedavis Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Politics may not be a matter of survival for Jonah – at least not yet – but it’s different for many people whose livelihoods and sometimes even their lives can actually be at stake.

    Whose lives are at stake? Who is in danger from the outcome of this election? This type of Flight 93 thinking is bizarre to me. If the result of an election is a life and death event, then voting isn’t the solution, armed resistance is. Is that really what you want?

    Not what I want, no. But at some level it may become inevitable. People are losing their livelihoods due to lockdowns etc, and sometimes end up losing their lives. People who can’t get medical treatment because of lockdowns, are also dying.

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  5. kedavis Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):
    Obama actually did destroy all those “norms” that everyone blames President Trump for destroying. And it looks like we’re going to go through that again.

    And let’s not forget:

     

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Coolidge
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    Yeah, Obama, who actually put kids in cages, was out there this week blaming the President for putting kids in cages. He also claimed that Hispanics voted for Trump because they’re anti-gay bigots taken in by Trump’s anti-gay rhetoric. (It’s been more than four years, and I still can’t find the anti-gay rhetoric President Trump supposedly voiced. He’s the only President who came into office in favor of gay marriage. Obama, on the other hand, had to “evolve” on the issue. But sure, Barry, keep projecting all your sins on everyone else, you [redacted redacted].)

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  7. kedavis Member
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    Obama follows a grand tradition of John Kerry and others. He was against gay marriage, until he was for it.

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  8. Architectus Coolidge
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Politics may not be a matter of survival for Jonah – at least not yet – but it’s different for many people whose livelihoods and sometimes even their lives can actually be at stake.

    Whose lives are at stake? Who is in danger from the outcome of this election? This type of Flight 93 thinking is bizarre to me. If the result of an election is a life and death event, then voting isn’t the solution, armed resistance is. Is that really what you want?

    Well, as Trump was the most actively pro-life president in memory, and Biden is a lapsed Catholic who is beholden to the Democrat death cult on abortion, there are many lives as stake. And I am just talking about the preborn ones right now.

    Oh, and let me introduce you to a concept: metaphor. That will help you untangle the mysterious (to you, and some select others) Flight 93 thinking.

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    @garyrobbins sent me here to get that Jonah thinks we are in the midst of a Trump coup with this election fraud allegation. I’m not going to listen but does anyone recall that Jonah is saying that?

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  10. kedavis Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    @garyrobbins sent me here to get that Jonah thinks we are in the midst of a Trump coup with this election fraud allegation. I’m not going to listen but does anyone recall that Jonah is saying that?

    I don’t listen to Jonah much lately, no point really. But I predicted a while back that if the efforts to show Democrat cheating started being successful, Democrats (which now include Gary) would start complaining that it was actually Trump who was trying to steal the election.

    Projection, as usual.

    Or as I seem to remember an old Family Circus cartoon where the little girl is crying and yelling, “Mommy, Jeffy hit me back!”

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  11. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Politics may not be a matter of survival for Jonah – at least not yet – but it’s different for many people whose livelihoods and sometimes even their lives can actually be at stake.

    Whose lives are at stake? Who is in danger from the outcome of this election?

    Living through the Obama administration as a self-employed person was a complete nightmare.

    Economic growth died.

    People who work in certain jobs could find a Joe Biden administration to be a similar nightmare while the folks in the wealthy suburbs, especially those surrounding DC, do quite well. Income inequality isn’t a big problem when Democrat allies are doing well.

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  12. kedavis Member
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Politics may not be a matter of survival for Jonah – at least not yet – but it’s different for many people whose livelihoods and sometimes even their lives can actually be at stake.

    Whose lives are at stake? Who is in danger from the outcome of this election?

    Living through the Obama administration as a self-employed person was a complete nightmare.

    Economic growth died.

    People who work in certain jobs could find a Joe Biden administration to be a similar nightmare while the folks in the wealthy suburbs, especially those surrounding DC, do quite well. Income inequality isn’t a big problem when Democrat allies are doing well.

    Well, either way hopefully the NeverTrumpers will be out of business. They certainly deserve it.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Coolidge
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Living through the Obama administration as a self-employed person was a complete nightmare.

    Economic growth died.

    Tell me about it. I started the Obama years self-employed, too. The economic downturn took its toll, and my clients pulled everything in-house.

     

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