Just as there are different Enlightenments, there are different nationalisms, too. In both cases, it’s important to see what points they all converge on. On this edition of the Ruminant, Jonah walks through the ways in which we’ve seen this all before – even in spite of how strange this moment feels. Confucius says: “Enjoy your weekend!”

Show Notes:

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The latest G-File

Rectification of the Names

David’s soon-to-be-out book, Divided We Fall

HumanProgress.org

Ten Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know: And Many Others You Will Find Interesting

Brazil’s direct democracy

Fichte’s Address to the German Nation

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  1. Online Park Member

    I listen to several of the podcasts on Ricochet on a regular basis but I like yours and Commentary magazine the best. I just like sitting back and listening to smart people who are thinking out loud and refining their ideas. Keep it up.

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    • September 21, 2020, at 8:19 AM PDT
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  2. Charlotte Member
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    I’m sympathetic to Jonah’s complaint that politicians no longer try to persuade anyone to their side/arguments/positions.

    However, and this has been bugging me about Jonah for awhile: does he think, I mean honestly believe, that his esoteric (and incessant and repetitive) musings about things like the German Enlightenment and the New Class are persuasive? Literally no one has or ever will change his mind about political issue X due to Jonah parsing the fine differences between (acceptable) patriotism and (unacceptable) nationalism. 

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    • September 21, 2020, at 12:45 PM PDT
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  3. kedavis Member

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I’m sympathetic to Jonah’s complaint that politicians no longer try to persuade anyone to their side/arguments/positions.

    However, and this has been bugging me about Jonah for awhile: does he think, I mean honestly believe, that his esoteric (and incessant and repetitive) musings about things like the German Enlightenment and the New Class are persuasive? Literally no one has or ever will change his mind about political issue X due to Jonah parsing the fine differences between (acceptable) patriotism and (unacceptable) nationalism.

    “Intellectuals” gotta “intellectual?”

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    • September 21, 2020, at 3:02 PM PDT
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  4. Charlotte Member
    CharlotteJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I’m sympathetic to Jonah’s complaint that politicians no longer try to persuade anyone to their side/arguments/positions.

    However, and this has been bugging me about Jonah for awhile: does he think, I mean honestly believe, that his esoteric (and incessant and repetitive) musings about things like the German Enlightenment and the New Class are persuasive? Literally no one has or ever will change his mind about political issue X due to Jonah parsing the fine differences between (acceptable) patriotism and (unacceptable) nationalism.

    “Intellectuals” gotta “intellectual?”

    Maybe. I don’t mind at all that he’s interested in stuff like that. I take issue with the idea that it is persuasive or that it furthers the cause of conservatism, or classical liberalism, or whatever.

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    • September 21, 2020, at 3:48 PM PDT
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  5. kedavis Member

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I’m sympathetic to Jonah’s complaint that politicians no longer try to persuade anyone to their side/arguments/positions.

    However, and this has been bugging me about Jonah for awhile: does he think, I mean honestly believe, that his esoteric (and incessant and repetitive) musings about things like the German Enlightenment and the New Class are persuasive? Literally no one has or ever will change his mind about political issue X due to Jonah parsing the fine differences between (acceptable) patriotism and (unacceptable) nationalism.

    “Intellectuals” gotta “intellectual?”

    Maybe. I don’t mind at all that he’s interested in stuff like that. I take issue with the idea that it is persuasive or that it furthers the cause of conservatism, or classical liberalism, or whatever.

    The evidence seems to be that Jonah – and others like him – don’t seem to think they have any need to do that, or whatever. Evidently their role is to define (what they think to be) “pure conservatism” (which may, according to the old joke, only be possible for spherical conservatives in a vacuum) and if the Dems actually win and ruin everything, well, not their problem, tra-la.

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    • September 21, 2020, at 3:55 PM PDT
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