Jay and Mona talk about the eternal curse of anti-Semitism, executive orders – who’s for them, who’s against them and does it depend entirely upon whose ox is gored? Left wing and right wing violence. And the most underrated flavor.

Music from this week’s show: Camille Saint-Saëns – Danse Macabre

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There are 23 comments.

  1. Coolidge

    Sanders may not have called for outright violence, but he did say thousands would die because of Republican policies. There are crazies like the baseball shooter who believe him. Democrat politicians are constantly telling their loony base that we are all going to die and that Republicans are fascists. Many believe violence against Republicans is justified. This is even more damaging than Trump’s stupid tweets and rallies.

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    • November 2, 2018 at 6:36 pm
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  2. Member

    OMG, Jay and Mona! You are speaking my language!!! We did an ice cream taste test of vanilla ice cream for a birthday party. We got five flavors of fancy ice cream, including Ben and Jerry’s (which I have always contended receives wholly undeserved accolades for cutesy names and fun additions), and by a LANDSLIDE, 22 votes to 2, Haagen Dazs was the clear vanilla winner in our group. We did a blind taste test with tiny cups and tiny spoons, numbered labels on the bottom. I did not vote, since I knew what was what. Quality ice cream is important. This is an issue we can all agree on. It’s serious business, and something we can rally on as a country. Blind taste tests for everyone! :) Haagen Dazs is quality, B&J wins only because of marketing. The ice cream scored the lowest of any other than Talenti. Gelato is not to our midwestern tastes, apparently! 

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    • November 2, 2018 at 9:01 pm
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Sanders may not have called for outright violence, but he did say thousands would die because of Republican policies. There are crazies like the baseball shooter who believe him. Democrat politicians are constantly telling their loony base that we are all going to die and that Republicans are fascists. Many believe violence against Republicans is justified. This is even more damaging than Trump’s stupid tweets and rallies.

    Not more damaging, equally damaging. 

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    • November 2, 2018 at 9:01 pm
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Democrat politicians are constantly telling their loony base that we are all going to die and that Republicans are fascists.

    Democrat politician demagoguery is more widespread, while the GOP’s is more centered in one guy. So, Sanders doesn’t really have to push as much demagoguery on his own to influence a guy like the baseball shooter since the guy was clearly incited by other Democrats too.

    • #4
    • November 3, 2018 at 2:36 am
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  5. Member

    About anti-Semitism. I’m 61, a WASP, and I’d never heard a whiff of anti-Semitism in my personal life until 2006, when the Borat movie and Pepe the Frog started to make it naughty and fashionable among young people. I remember how astonished I was back when the Nixon tapes showed Nixon and Billy Graham indulging in it, so I know it’s always been around somewhere, but I think it’s very sad that we’re still dealing with it this way.

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    • November 3, 2018 at 8:03 am
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    Super Nurse (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Sanders may not have called for outright violence, but he did say thousands would die because of Republican policies. There are crazies like the baseball shooter who believe him. Democrat politicians are constantly telling their loony base that we are all going to die and that Republicans are fascists. Many believe violence against Republicans is justified. This is even more damaging than Trump’s stupid tweets and rallies.

    Not more damaging, equally damaging.

    I don’t think this is right at all. Listen, I have contempt for Mr. Trump. I can’t believe a grown man would continue to act this way. Much less a President. Reagan would be appalled at this behavior. Trump knows nothing about dignity. And he doesn’t seem to understand, or want to understand, that the world is watching.

    However, I agree with Julia. While Trump is an embarrassment, his ananites cannot compare to what the Democrats have done. Just look at the Kavanaugh hearings. Sure, there were some Senators worse than others. But not one Democrat came out to say, “Hey, guys, you are ruining this guy’s life.” And Bernie Sanders does say, at the top of his voice, that Republican policies are killing people. And it goes on. The disreputable Senator from Illinois justified those whiny and disrespectful protesters at the hearing by saying that this was Democracy in action.

    I agree that the president is damaging the country with his Rhetoric. But not more than a Maxine Waters, who is encouraging the folk who won’t allow Mitch McConnell and his wife, or Ted Cruz and his wife, or the Sec. of Homeland Security to have a meal in the peace.

    Too much of the Left are getting away with murder, when you need armed guards to protect Ben Shapiro – and others – when speaking on college campuses.

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    • November 3, 2018 at 12:47 pm
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Democrat politicians are constantly telling their loony base that we are all going to die and that Republicans are fascists.

    Democrat politician demagoguery is more widespread, while the GOP’s is more centered in one guy. So, Sanders doesn’t really have to push as much demagoguery on his own to influence a guy like the baseball shooter since the guy was clearly incited by other Democrats too.

    But that one guy is the president, so much more impact. We would have said so if Obama did it, we should have the honesty to say so when Trump does it 

     

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    • November 3, 2018 at 7:57 pm
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    Super Nurse (View Comment):

    But that one guy is the president, so much more impact. We would have said so if Obama did it, we should have the honesty to say so when Trump does it

    I’m certainly not excusing Trump. Only saying that he’s an easy guy to blame on the Right, while Democrats don’t have that one main demagogue. So Mona/Jay were sort of excusing Sanders (cuz he’s not as bad as Trump). My point was…..he doesn’t have to be since he has so many helpers on the Left, that incited the baseball shooter and others.

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    • November 3, 2018 at 11:37 pm
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    Super Nurse (View Comment):

    But that one guy is the president, so much more impact. We would have said so if Obama did it, we should have the honesty to say so when Trump does it

    I’m certainly not excusing Trump. Only saying that he’s an easy guy to blame on the Right, while Democrats don’t have that one main demagogue. So Mona/Jay were sort of excusing Sanders (cuz he’s not as bad as Trump). My point was…..he doesn’t have to be since he has so many helpers on the Left, that incited the baseball shooter and others.

    I would never excuse Trump. He is appalling. But I think it is just a fact that the Left is the bigger danger. It doesn’t mean that Trump doesn’t pose any threat (to the future of well thought-through debate in the Public Square, for example). But it does mean that if we focus just on Trump, we will ignore the fact that the Left, with the aid of much of the media, are trying to change this country to a European model. And we cannot let that happen.

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    • November 4, 2018 at 2:25 am
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  10. Coolidge

    Super Nurse (View Comment):
    But that one guy is the president, so much more impact. We would have said so if Obama did it, we should have the honesty to say so when Trump does it 

    My point was that Mona was excusing Sanders. Trump’s behavior is execrable.

     

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    • November 4, 2018 at 7:49 am
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  11. Member

    Haven’t heard this episode yet. I’m still girding my loins. As I often am these days, I am hesitant about listening to the latest Need to Know.

    I love Ricochet’s main podcast. And Glop Culure. And the Commentary podcast. And Jonah Goldberg’s Remnant podcast. And Mad Dogs & Englishmen. And National Review’s Editors podcast. All of which are great, and none of which are Trump-loving, MAGA-type pep rallies.

    But Need to Know makes me nervous now.

    And why is that, do you think?

    How do the conversations, insights and priorities on Jay and Mona’s show differ from what is being offered on those other shows?

    It is not a rhetorical question. I honestly don’t have the answer.

    But there’s no question that something is stopping me from playing this show now.

     

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    • November 4, 2018 at 1:22 pm
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    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Haven’t heard this episode yet. I’m still girding my loins. As I often am these days, I am hesitant about listening to the latest Need to Know.

    I love Ricochet’s main podcast. And Glop Culure. And the Commentary podcast. And Jonah Goldberg’s Remnant podcast. And Mad Dogs & Englishmen. And National Review’s Editors podcast. All of which are great, and none of which are Trump-loving, MAGA-type pep rallies.

    But Need to Know makes me nervous now.

    And why is that, do you think?

    How do the conversations, insights and priorities on Jay and Mona’s show differ from what is being offered on those other shows?

    It is not a rhetorical question. I honestly don’t have the answer.

    But there’s no question that something is stopping me from playing this show now.

    I hesitate to say this, but I do understand Filmklassik’s hesitancy regarding Need to Know. I still love Mona. I remember all she has done for the movement. And I admire her never backing down. Whether it was in the old days when she got attacked for being too extreme on the Right, to nowadays when she gets attacked for not being a Trump follower. I understand why she can’t follow Trump. She has dedicated her life for a cause that she deeply believes in; and now she sees it being taken over by a clown.

    But her desire to oppose Trump leads her, I’m afraid, to say some pretty strange things: Her hesitancy regarding the obvious lies that were told about Kavanaugh; her going along with people who say that attacking George Soros might be anti-semitic, when she has to know better; and her failure to see that things were done to the Trump Campaign by some members of the FBI, which were pretty horrible. As bad as Trump was (and he was even worse during the campaign than he is now), there was no excuse for what a few members of the governmental agency that we depend upon to protect did to him.

    My desire is to always give Mona a lot of slack. But I think she really needs to take a moment and think about whether her antipathy to Trump, plus the vicious attacks on her by some of his defenders, are not pushing her in a direction that she need no go in.

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    • November 4, 2018 at 3:10 pm
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  13. Member

    Trump anti-semitic? Do I need to detail the evidence that Obama is a jew hater?

    Has Mona or Jay ever commented on that?

    • #13
    • November 5, 2018 at 1:41 am
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  14. Member

    Very disappointing. You two have od’d on #neverTrump.

    Let’s be more precise on Soros. Why? He’s not your friend, he’s an enemy and it’s a crucial election year.

    Trump says thing that are provocative and could encourage racists to act out. Everything Trump says or tweets is over the top. That’s Trump, but it isn’t enabling language.

    You flirt with the left’s attribution of anything that goes wrong (here anti-semitism in Pittsburg) to Trump.

    The really serious stuff comes from the left. Encouraging people to mob Republicans is incitement to riot. Check out the definition of “mob.” When a mob blocks the passage of Cruz and wife, it’s more than enough for an assault charge. And battery if there’s any touching.

    The Caravan isn’t an invasion. Are you kidding? Like 8,000 or so are all mom’s with kids in strollers and poor guys just seeking work. Like there are no coyotes, gangbangers, dopers, real or potential terrorists, and welfare recipients hidden among them.

    If the military is only to fight foreign wars, but not to secure the border, why have a military? Where did you pull that one out from?

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    • November 5, 2018 at 11:04 am
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    My point was that Mona was excusing Sanders.

    Well, to Sanders’s credit, he didn’t even take half a day to unequivocally denounce the shooter and make it clear that it was unacceptable and against everything he stands for.

    Mikescapes (View Comment):
    Let’s be more precise on Soros. Why? He’s not your friend, he’s an enemy and it’s a crucial election year.

    He’s not our enemy. He’s our opponent. So much of American political discourse would be improved if more people remembered that crucial distinction.

    Mikescapes (View Comment):
    If the military is only to fight foreign wars, but not to secure the border, why have a military? Where did you pull that one out from?

    The military isn’t to secure the border, not for purposes of immigration law. It doesn’t have the constitutional authority to arrest and deport. It has the constitutional authority to kill.

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    • November 19, 2018 at 1:28 am
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    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    He’s not our enemy. He’s our opponent. So much of American political discourse would be improved if more people remembered that crucial distinction.

    I try hard to make that distinction but certain events like the Kavanaugh hearings make that difficult for me. I didn’t see opponents there who were acting in good faith. I saw politicians acting with malevolence seeking to destroy a man for political gain. Frankly, those Democrats were the enemy in my opinion. 

    • #16
    • November 19, 2018 at 8:07 am
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    He’s not our enemy. He’s our opponent. So much of American political discourse would be improved if more people remembered that crucial distinction.

    I try hard to make that distinction but certain events like the Kavanaugh hearings make that difficult for me. I didn’t see opponents there who were acting in good faith. I saw politicians acting with malevolence seeking to destroy a man for political gain. Frankly, those Democrats were the enemy in my opinion.

    I must agree with Julia. While I would not call any politician the enemy (that should be reserved for North Korea), It is hard to look on people with kindness who would do what they did to a terrific fellow like Brett Kavanaugh. I’d like to be able to say to an opponent, “Look, we both believe in different things. And, of course, I believe my thinking is best for America. But you are not my enemy. May the best ideas win.” And shake hands. But today’s Democrats are never gonna do that. I like to think in Hubert Humphrey’s day, they were different. I want to believe that. But it’s not true today. These people will say or do anything to get power.

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    • November 19, 2018 at 9:12 am
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  18. Listener

    The distinction between opponent and enemy does not preclude malevolence. Opponents don’t need to act in good faith, and they can definitely be malevolent.

    Yet it’s still true that Democrats believe they are doing what’s best for the country, and – much like today’s Republicans! – think that their underhanded means are justified by their believed-to-be-noble ends. The other things George mentioned (“these people will say or do anything to get power” and the inability to shake hands and say may the best ideas win) are undoubtedly true about the Trumpkins as well. Our politics are very reflective.

    You don’t need to look upon Soros with kindness; just don’t look upon him with loathing. George is right that you should reserve words like “enemy” for people like North Korea.

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    • November 19, 2018 at 1:47 pm
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  19. Coolidge

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    The other things George mentioned (“these people will say or do anything to get power” and the inability to shake hands and say may the best ideas win) are undoubtedly true about the Trumpkins as well. Our politics are very reflective.

    Yes about Trumpkins but there are still a few Republicans with honor. Can’t say that about the Democrats in the Kavanaugh matter. Not one stood up in support of Kavanaugh and against the obvious smear campaign. Except maybe Manchin for purely political reasons.


    DanielSterman (View Comment)
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    You don’t need to look upon Soros with kindness; just don’t look upon him with loathing. George is right that you should reserve words like “enemy” for people like North Korea.

    I don’t entirely agree. We can have enemies “foreign and domestic”.

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    • November 19, 2018 at 2:20 pm
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    DanielSterman (View Comment):

    The distinction between opponent and enemy does not preclude malevolence. Opponents don’t need to act in good faith, and they can definitely be malevolent.

    Yet it’s still true that Democrats believe they are doing what’s best for the country, and – much like today’s Republicans! – think that their underhanded means are justified by their believed-to-be-noble ends. The other things George mentioned (“these people will say or do anything to get power” and the inability to shake hands and say may the best ideas win) are undoubtedly true about the Trumpkins as well. Our politics are very reflective.

    You don’t need to look upon Soros with kindness; just don’t look upon him with loathing. George is right that you should reserve words like “enemy” for people like North Korea.

    I’d amend your statements this way, Daniel: Not all Republicans are Trumpkins. I know I’m not. I feel pretty comfortable in saying Julia is not. Nor are others, despite the fact that Trump, by virtue of his office, is the head of the party now. It won’t always be thus. The reason I’m a Republican is because I believe in the individual. Democrats never did. I also do not believe the ends justify the means. Unless you modify that statement to the point of meaninglessness, it is tantamount to a wicked philosophy. Aside from the difference in policy, I just think Republicans and Democrats are different sorts of people, in behavior. Perhaps you might think that wishful thinking. Nevertheless, I want to hang on to it, and really do believe there is more truth to it than not.

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    • November 19, 2018 at 2:54 pm
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    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Not all Republicans are Trumpkins. I know I’m not. I feel pretty comfortable in saying Julia is not.

    I was actually referring to elected officials; the context of the conversation was the Kavanaugh hearings, after all. And Trump pretty much runs the party now, regardless of what we as peons might think of him.

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    • November 19, 2018 at 11:13 pm
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    DanielSterman (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Not all Republicans are Trumpkins. I know I’m not. I feel pretty comfortable in saying Julia is not.

    I was actually referring to elected officials; the context of the conversation was the Kavanaugh hearings, after all. And Trump pretty much runs the party now, regardless of what we as peons might think of him.

    Sure. I was just saying that there are many of us “peons” (as you put it) who refuse to believe, because Donald Trump managed to eke out a win two years ago, that this is the end of the Republican Party as we have known it. There should always be room for hope. We can get back to the glory days of Ronald Reagan, if we just keep working at it. I want that, for the country I Love so much.

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    • November 20, 2018 at 2:36 am
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    DanielSterman (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    Not all Republicans are Trumpkins. I know I’m not. I feel pretty comfortable in saying Julia is not.

    I was actually referring to elected officials; the context of the conversation was the Kavanaugh hearings, after all. And Trump pretty much runs the party now, regardless of what we as peons might think of him.

    Unfortunately elected Republicans have 2 choices with Trump as President: go along or get out. Many who choose to go along are not Trumpkins.

    • #23
    • November 20, 2018 at 6:33 am
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